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What NJ Police Are Doing with Mine-Resistant Trucks

Friday, August 22, 2014

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Little Ferry Police Detective Ronald Klein ordered six military trucks for the town to use for water rescues. (Sarah Gonzalez/WNYC)

Police in the small suburban town of Little Ferry recently received six military trucks for its 25 police officers.

Two of the green and camouflage Humvees were parked on a grassy patch behind the police department. There’s a mount near the steering wheel where the machine gun used to go, a hatch on the roof you can crawl out of, the remnants of the outer gun turrets, and clamps inside that look like the jaws of a bear trap.

 “I don’t really know what any of this stuff is,” said Detective Ronald Klein, who got a quick tutorial on how to drive the trucks when he picked one up from a military base. “They don’t tell us all that kind of fun stuff.”

Military trucks are among the $20 million worth of surplus military equipment that police in New Jersey received for free last year from the federal government.

With two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan winding down, there's been an increase in military gear available. Three years ago, the state received just $504,000 in donated military equipment, according to data from the Defense Logistics Agency, which oversees the transfer of surplus military equipment to law enforcement agencies. 

Police departments in the state have received everything from armored trucks, rifles and grenade launchers to shirts for extreme cold weather, boots, and ladders. But the use of military equipment to quell protests in Ferguson, Mo., following the shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, has sparked a national conversation about whether local law enforcement agencies are becoming too militarized.

For example, among the most expensive items on the list of supplies used in Iraq and Afghanistan are the MRAPs – 30,000-ton armored, mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicles.  

Police in Middletown, N.J., have one. And the Bergen County Sheriff’s Office has just ordered two.

Bergen County Executive Kathleen Donovan displays pictures of the mine-resistant ambush-protected vehicles that she is trying to stop the county from receiving.

The federal government requires any agency that receives surplus military equipment to use it within a year. It’s one of the few regulations of the federal program, said Vanita Gupta, the deputy legal director of the ACLU. “So you can only imagine how that is kind of incentivizing local law enforcement to use it,” she said.

But some say there’s no need for mine-resistant trucks in suburban north Jersey.

“We are not going to militarize Bergen County, and these are clearly military vehicles, for which the Sheriff has no use,” said Bergen County Executive Kathleen Donovan. “God forbid we need a military vehicle; I’m calling the National Guard. These are not police vehicles.”

The Sheriff who ordered the MRAPs, Michael Saudino, says there is a need for them, especially if they’re free.

“If you had a barricaded suspect or a hostage situation, this vehicle could get up to that front door where you would never put a police officer so close and in risk of being shot,” he said.

The MRAP can also go through seven feet of water. Saudino says he plans to mostly use the trucks for water rescue during future storms. In nearby Little Ferry, for example, 80 percent of the town was under water during Sandy. Police Chief Ralph Verdi said sending first responders out in small boats isn’t safe.

But critics say Bergen County already has military trucks that go through water. And they seat four times as many people as the mine-resistant trucks.

There is one military truck for every five police officers in Little Ferry.

Armored trucks, however, may be the next step for police, according to local law enforcement officials. Saudino said officers already use Kevlar vests and K-9s, which also came from the military. “Military keeps us safe throughout the world, police keeps us safe within the United States,” Saudino said. “We’re kind of brothers and sisters in that regard.”

Saudino promised that MRAPS won’t be used for crowd control the way they have been used in Ferguson.

Law enforcement agencies across the country have received $5.1 billion worth of military equipment since the start of the Law Enforcement Support Office program in the 1997. Just 5 percent of the supplies are weapons, and less than 1 percent are tactical vehicles.

But President Obama has said it might be time to re-think the federal program, and re-consider what kinds of military equipment police really need. 

“There is a big difference between our military and our local law enforcement,” President Obama said. “And we don’t want those lines blurred.”

UPDATE: The Bergen County Sheriff's Office announced Thursday it would delay the use of two armored vehicles it was set to receive. In a statement, Bergen Country Sheriff Michael Saudino said he's taking the action after the U.S. attorney general and the state attorney general decided it would review the program. 

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Comments [4]

Ignatz from New York

What does it cost to MAINTAIN all this stuff?

What is the sense in the police having equipment that creates a climate of fear, that they have no real use for, and that takes up space and cost money to maintain?

ENOUGH. Most Americans were unaware of this surplus military equipment program. Now that they are aware of it, they oppose it in overwhelming numbers. Because it's DANGEROUS, COSTLY AND STUPID. And has no positive side.

Aug. 25 2014 10:12 AM
Owen from Bushwick

That mount isn't for a machine gun.....it's for a radio. I used to be in the Army.

Aug. 23 2014 06:57 AM
audrey from Bergen County

What I would like to know is where is all the used military items we could actually use in the event of a Superstorm??
where are the retired generators? the water pumps? earth moving equipment? unless of course we littered and left all that material there!

IF law enforcement has to show use within 12 months of receipt of the mine resistant ambush protected vehicles, they will find a use, and I am very nervous for any over reaction on the part of police.

It may be time for me to have "the talk" with my teen age son - and he is Caucasian!!

This funneling down of military equipment to local law enforcement is a terrible idea.

Aug. 22 2014 09:39 AM
Benoit Balz from Nyc

Rescue us from future "Superstorm Sandys"? I thought all the military gear was so the cops could fight the terrists who hate our freedom, when we're fightin' 'em here because we erroneously attacked 'em there. Our Big Gubmint wouldn't use that gear to suppress dissent among the taxpayers who paid for the stuff, now would they?

Aug. 22 2014 08:49 AM

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