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Who Gets to See the CIA Torture Report

Thursday, August 07, 2014

A 2013 protest by the group "Witness Against Torture" outside CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia. (shriekingtree/flickr)

The release of the Senate's massive assessment of the U.S. torture practices has once again been delayed amid argument about who gets to see it, who gets to redact it, and whether the public will ever get to know. Karen Greenberg, director of the Center on National Security at Fordham Law University, discusses what comes next.

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Karen Greenberg

Comments [23]

olivia

100% positive josh from bushwick is trolling super hard

Aug. 07 2014 01:54 PM
Josh From Bushwick from Bushwick

@Roddyroddy:
I'm from Westchester! Sadly though, NOT from one of those awesome cup-de-sacs.

Aug. 07 2014 12:40 PM
roddyroddy

josh from bushwick: what suburb are you from? if you don't give up the cul-de-sac we'll waterboard it out of you.

Aug. 07 2014 11:46 AM
Harry Bewals from South Williamsburg

Torture is easy.

Working like a professional investigator is hard.

By condoning it will become the defacto way of doing things.

Aug. 07 2014 10:32 AM
Seth

Way to debate, Brian. Great use of ideas and thinking. NOT. dude, you're just angry and... sad. I care that my country, that claims to be the greatest, is much less when we torture.

Aug. 07 2014 10:29 AM

At least all's OK at the local level. Well, besides this local cop, who asserts he doesn't have to follow the Constitution anymore "because Obama doesn't."

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/08/06/NJ-Cop-Tells-Citizen-If-Obama-Doesn-t-Follow-The-Constitution-We-Don-t-Have-To

Aug. 07 2014 10:26 AM
mick from Inwood

On the BBC today it was announced that the leader of the Grandmothers of the Plaza de Mayo in Argentina was reunited with her grand child 36 years after her daughter was kidnapped while pregnant and subsequently gave birth in the custody of the military. She was subsequently tortured to death and her body given back to her mother at a police station. The Argentine military deemed the torture of its citizens was necessary to save the country from leftist agitators. The only thing that keeps such atrocities from happening here for political reasons, are the principles such as prohibitions against torture. If we allow these principles to be compromised we, as a country and as individuals, are all in greater long term danger than any group of religious mass murders can pose.

Aug. 07 2014 10:26 AM
brian from office

Brian no one cares. When you have Isis beheading people, Syria in chaos, Putin on a tear through Europe and truly evil people out there, NO ONE CARES

Brian, the IDF tortures, I await your segment on that. Hint: IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Aug. 07 2014 10:22 AM
Greg from Brewster, NY

I think this entire discussion of "is this toture? should we allow it? etc." can really be answered when you think of it from this perspective....

If another country, organization, state waterboarded American soldiers? Would we think it's not morally objectionable? In fact if anyone performed any of these questionable tactics on Americans we would be up in arms over it.

Aug. 07 2014 10:21 AM
Roman from Brooklyn, NY

Bottom line, torture is wrong! Under ANY AND ALL circumstances! Not only is it not effective, it brings us down to the very level we are purporting to fight. It blows my mind that Brian would even suggest that there should be some triggers that would justify torture!

Aug. 07 2014 10:21 AM

Get these Baby Boomers out of office and start VOTING for fresh, new revolutionaries! The senior citizens that run this country LOVE war, fear mongering, and drying up Social Security for the rest of us. The white haired men and women that OK'd this whole torture program will get what is coming to them. Thanks for running this country to the ground Grandpa/ma.

Aug. 07 2014 10:20 AM

@r. Bad from NYC
amen

Aug. 07 2014 10:19 AM
Amy from Manhattan

People were tortured with our tax money & in our name. We have a right to know, now.

And I heard an interview on WNYC when this was in the news earlier (years ago) w/a professional interrogator, who said the way to get accurate information was to convince the source you're on their side &/or offer them something they want (in one case by helping a man conceal his affair from his wife!)--torturing them makes them say what the torturer wants to hear.

Aug. 07 2014 10:17 AM
Seth

We love to spout off about our "moral authority" and our torturing totally undermines all our talk. Why should the leaders of any bad nation listen to us? Do as I say, not as... . that's BS. Torture makes us less of the good nation we want to portray ourselves as.

Aug. 07 2014 10:17 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

@ JoeCorrao

LOL, couldn't have said it better myself. No doubt a big "24" fan but Brian thinks he has a "complex" viewpoint. What a world...

Aug. 07 2014 10:16 AM

Josh from Bushwick is an arsehole, and most likely a hipster. Crawl back into your electronic gadeget, social media, ironic hole.

Aug. 07 2014 10:14 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

How does one adjudge "effectiveness" in covert operations? In interrogation techniques? Anyone can say whatever they like because the details will never become public... Torture is illegal. TORTURE IS ILLEGAL! What about the word "ILLEGAL" don't we understand?

Stop trying to spin this, it's sickening.

Aug. 07 2014 10:12 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

How does one adjudge "effectiveness" in covert operations? In interrogation techniques? Anyone can say whatever they like because the details will never become public... Torture is illegal. TORTURE IS ILLEGAL! What about the word "ILLEGAL" don't we understand?

Stop trying to spin this, it's sickening.

Aug. 07 2014 10:12 AM

My father was held in a German prison camp for 27 months and was never tortured. That was the Nazis. But now we've broken that commitment to the rules of law and I fear our prisoners in the future will not be as lucky as my father.

Aug. 07 2014 10:11 AM

Bring back the guillotine! Thanx Judge Kozinski! Who should face the guillotine? The REAL terrorists: Cheney, Bush Jr., Rumsfeld, Rice (arguably Obama). Arrange in increasing order of most deserving. Let the public see their execution, and know what misleading the nation into trillion dollar deficit would do to you.

Aug. 07 2014 10:11 AM

And Poland's OUR bitch for OK'ing the torture camps in their backyards on ourbehalf. I always wanted a Polish husband to submit to my needs. =)

Aug. 07 2014 10:04 AM

We still torture. We must stop. And when I say "We" I mean "They".

Aug. 07 2014 10:04 AM

Does the American public really care? That's a rhetorical question. NO! We continue to sponsor terrorism abroad, billions to enhance and continue Israeli war crimes against humanity under the guise of fighting 'terrorism'. Just like the more than 50% of those listed on the U.S. 'No Fly List' have 0 terrorist affiliation. We still fighting the same wars: Christian vs/ Muslim, Brown/Black vs/ White, Gay vs/ Straight, Science vs/ Religion, Human Dignity vs/ Human CONTROL. We're Americans, we LOVE this shit!

Aug. 07 2014 10:01 AM

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