Episode 4: Down the Rabbit Hole

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So how did we get to this point? Where a nominee for a major party has been heard bragging about assaulting women. The United States of Anxiety has been listening carefully to Trump supporters in an effort to understand this election season.

This week, WNYC Studios and The Nation turn once again to Patty Dwyer. We then go down the rabbit hole with WNYC reporter Matt Katz and take a look at the media landscape that helped create this moment. 

Finally, we visit with another Long Island resident, Joselo Lucero. Just after Election Day in 2008, Joselo’s brother, Marcelo Lucero was murdered during the course of a hate crime.

Though separated by years, these two events—the rise of Donald Trump and the murder of Marcelo Lucero—may have arisen from a single reality: individuals listening to inflammatory language.

Episode Contributors:

Kai Wright

Arun Venugopal

Matt Katz

Julianne Hing

Karen Frillman

Joseph Capriglione


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Music Playlist

  1. United States of Anxiety Theme

    Artist: Nathan Halpern
  2. The Summit

    Artist: Blue Dot Sessions
    Album: K2
  3. Black Ballots

    Artist: Blue Dot Sessions
    Album: Union Hall
  4. Stingray - Dangerous Thought

    Artist: Blue Dot Sessions
    Album: Stingray
  5. Reflective Theme

    Artist: Nathan Halpern