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Perhaps in some ways more than Donald Trump, the most surprising winner of the 2016 election was the alt-right.
The formerly fringe, white-nationalist ideology has forced its way into mainstream conservatism, in large part by rejecting it through their champion, Donald Trump, the president elect.
Paul Ramsey, a self-identifying member of the alt-right and blogger, explains what Trump's victory means for the ideological movement. Click on the 'Listen' button above to hear our full, unedited conversation with Ramsey.
Language Warning: This segment contains unbleeped language that some may find offensive.