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Ukrainian Crisis Update

Monday, March 10, 2014

Gideon Rose, editor of Foreign Affairs magazine and author of the book How Wars End: Why We Always Fight the Last Battle, discusses the latest on the crisis in Ukraine, particularly on the different votes and decisions about the future of Crimea, and takes your calls on how and why borders should change.

Guests:

Gideon Rose

Comments [24]

Enrique Veranes from New york

Thank you, Brian, for some sanity.

Mar. 17 2014 02:03 PM

Once again the host has put on display his Orwellian double speak and his disinformation all in the service of the American Media Cold War Hysteria. I have yet to hear on this program any historical context that Dr. Stephen Cohen has made clear in his critique of the American Media and White House and Congress reaction to Russia. Russia has every right to claim authority in Crimea and even the Ukraine--it is a complex history dating to the Middle Ages so why is this history absent in the media --there has not been one attempt to offer any historical context. Is there a lack of university professors in America? Has the host been to lazy to take a trip to the New York Public Library so he could read some of this History? WE MUST ASK WHY THIS HOST CONTINUES TO NOT REPORT ON THE HISTORY OF CRIMEA AND THE RIGHTS RUSSIA CLAIMS WHICH ARE NOT ANY DIFFERENT FROM THE RIGHTS CLAIMED BY AMERICA IN CUBA OR IN THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR OR IN THE WAR WITH MEXICO IN 19TH CENTURY.

Once again the host had repeated the propaganda of Washington without questioning it. He assumes that the American position is correct. He assumes the street fascists in Kiev are freedom fighters. He is blinded by his anti-Putin bias even when he puts on display that he knows nothing about the history of Russian issues.

Some weeks ago this host was on the air pleading for additional fund raising based on his claim that he and his program were superior to any other news program--that he and he alone was the voice of reason. How often has this person claimed this for himself only to turn around after the funding raising drive to prove himself otherwise. There seems no end to his hypocrisy it seems. He needs to stop claiming that he is so above it all and simply admit he is just like all the other news hacks that pass for professional journalism or is that news reader or PR maker or Propaganda Officer--it is difficult to tell how best to express the Orwellian Media in America these days. Why, we need to ask, is the rhetoric of a New Cold War being advanced by the American News Media, White House, And Congress? The crisis was not and is not being created by Russia or Putin but by America's over the top hypocrisy--- and we all know that we can count on American Imperialism to safeguard the rights of others!!! The world may not love Russia but it hates America more.

Mar. 10 2014 11:35 PM
Chris in NY

I wish there had been a more complete and accurate response to Brian's question comparing the planned referendum in Crimea to the ouster of Yanukovych. Crimea, which had actually agreed to remain as part of Ukraine in 1992, has been invaded by thousands of armed Russian troops. Foreign observers have been turned away each time they try to enter, journalists have been kidnapped, television and internet is interrupted, thousands more ballots have been printed than there are voters, and a self proclaimed governor is in office. These circumstances clearly would not allow for an honest referendum even if one were legal according to Ukrainian and international law.
In contrast, the Ukrainian parliament voted in February, publicly and with the support of Yanuvych's Party of Regions, 328-0 to impeach him and to hold new elections in May. Yanukovych had fled the country, leaving behind incriminating documents and wealth-filled mansions, and was not heard from until he gave a press conference at a shopping mall in Russia a week later. An acting President was chosen, together with an interim government, but the members of Parliament remain the same. These steps were taken in accordance with the Constitution, and without the interference of a foreign power.

Mar. 10 2014 12:34 PM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

I have only made 2 comments, Sparkie.

Mar. 10 2014 11:31 AM
hilts

Brian, if you can't take the time to properly prepare and educate yourself on an issue, don't embarrass yourself on live radio by revealing your ignorance to the public.

Mar. 10 2014 11:25 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

@ Rob from Riverdale

Because the Serbs were massacring Muslims in Kosovo. Nobody is killing ethnic Russians in Crimea. Nobody is hurting them. Nobody has even said a bad word about them. I made the Kosovo comparison because Putin saw it as a clear break with international law traditions (which it was) against another Slavic nation. Russian values are different owing to their history of being invaded by the major western powers like France 1812, UK 1853, USA 1918 and Germany 1941... pretty much every 1/2 century or so like clockwork.

Mar. 10 2014 11:23 AM
Dina

BRAVO BRIAN!! Well argued re Ukraine and Russia!

Mar. 10 2014 11:23 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

How many secret identities can I have here, hmmm? LOL

Mar. 10 2014 11:22 AM
Robert from NYC

Gideon Rose sat on a tack, Gideon rose.

Mar. 10 2014 11:15 AM
Rob from Riverdale

How is Crimea different from Kosovo? Why can the US invade Iraq, but Russian not defend the ethnic Russians derisers in the Ukraine?

Mar. 10 2014 11:14 AM
Robert from NYC

LMAO Brian's ideas of what we "stand for". HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAA. Rhetoric!

Mar. 10 2014 11:14 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

Where are the "anti-war" hypocrites, regressive "progressive", pacifica drones protesting across the street from KGB Putins Russian embassy/mission/consulate?

AggressiveRussian Imperialism is OK to the fraudulent left?

Mar. 10 2014 11:13 AM
Joyce from NYC

OK, I get it -- the Russian invasion of Ukraine does not matter, because the tide of history is against them, like on Check 68 and the Berlin wall --- so maybe after 50 years of people's lives being destroyed, history will win out. Sounds like our Secretary of State.

Mar. 10 2014 11:08 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

Ugh, Gideon Rose is such a schmuck... how does seizing Crimea "weaken" Russia? This guy is a neocon bible thumper... if anything it is very clear that NATO is hamstrung by their respective governments economic weakness.

My take on the situation is frankly that this is payback for Kosovo (remember the Munich speech?) and that's how Putin sees this situation i.e. 1/2 ironic revenge and 1/2 Realpolitik. If I'm right than we need a solution that includes the same proportion of Realpolitik (NATO forces in Ukraine, especially around Kiev) and aggressive diplomatic engagement to reintegrate Crimea into Ukraine and security guarantees for Russia like a long term agreement on missile defense, probably another ABM treaty like the one we UNILATERALLY withdrew from in 2002.

Mar. 10 2014 11:05 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

Cri-me-a River.

Mar. 10 2014 11:03 AM
Seth Peckstiff

The Crimea was already rather autonomous. Cut it loose!

If Putin wants it, let him have it, but I'm sure they will want to keep their autonomy.

The Ukraine is a better country as a smaller country, and then they can join the EU.

Mar. 10 2014 11:02 AM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

Reading some of the comments on this page makes me think that some are feeling really suicidal this morning.
Be tough with Russia Obama, more money to be spent on the military and more. Hay suicidals a war with Russia will within days go nuclear. New York City will end with a few mushroom clouds over it. Dah ???//??/..

Mar. 10 2014 10:59 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Better a neo-con than a neo-commie.

Mar. 10 2014 10:57 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

@ Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Condi is a neocon fraud. Here is her quoted statement, corrected for obvious factual inaccuracies:

“Radically declining U.S. defense budgets is a signal to the world that the economic malaise brought on by protected financial elites and massive, government abetted corruption and the destruction of the rule of law has resulted in a nearly mortal self inflicted wound. We have exhausted the popular will and foresworn the moral standing necessary to sustain the global order owing to our illegal invasion of Iraq (which I presided over)and most importantly our unswerving support of the state of Israel's fascist government and genocidal policies towards the Palestinians. The United States must restore its standing in the international community which only be accomplished by extending the hand of friendship to former adversaries who are willing to work with us based on mutual interest and by remembering that like the UK empire we have no eternal friends nor enemies but only interests. These global developments have not happened in response to an intelligent U.S. foreign policy. They have come due to signals that we are exhausted and disinterested for the aforementioned reasons.”

Mar. 10 2014 10:55 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

@ Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

If there is any country that we ought to go to war over (other than NATO/JAPAN, obviously) it would be Ukraine. The cowardice of the American political establishment and the people who elected them to power never ceases to amaze me. Since you linked to Brzezinski's op ed I'll go ahead and quote directly from his post cold war masterpiece "The Grand Chessboard":

"if Moscow regains control over Ukraine,with its 52 million people and major resources as well as its access to the Black Sea, Russia automatically again regains the wherewithal to become a powerful imperial state, spanning Europe and Asia. Ukraine's loss of independence would have immediate consequences for Central Europe, transforming Poland into the
geopolitical pivot on the eastern frontier of a united Europe."

The defense cuts are not the problem. The military industrial complex and the new Secret Security "intelligence" services and their "dark" budgets are the issue. Our national priorities are completely skewed and the next decade is going to be a very dangerous one considering the extremely poor choices on both sides of the aisle for 2016.

Mar. 10 2014 10:39 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Condoleezza Rice, in a Wash Post op-ed, wonderfully underscored my earlier post -
(ooooh, evil Condi Rice, Grrrr!!!)

“Radically declining U.S. defense budgets signal that we no longer have the will or intention to sustain global order. Most important, the United States must restore its standing in the international community, which has been eroded by too many extended hands of friendship to our adversaries, sometimes at the expense of our friends.
These global developments have not happened in response to a muscular U.S. foreign policy. They have come due to signals that we are exhausted and disinterested.”

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/condoleezza-rice-will-america-heed-the-wake-up-call-of-ukraine/2014/03/07/cf087f74-a630-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html)

Mar. 10 2014 10:36 AM
hilts

Barack Obama’s tenure as president has rendered his nickname “No Drama Obama” obsolete. His new nickname should be “Rollover Obama.” That’s because any time Obama has faced the slightest pushback from an opponent he rolls over and surrenders. Obama is nothing but a spineless, gutless, sniveling, cowering empty suit.

It’s a nauseating, nightmarish state of affairs when the best that a nation of 300 million people can do for a leader is a vacuous, effete, foppish, metrosexual milquetoast dandy named Barack Obama.

When Vladimir Putin and his fellow thugs look at Obama they see a loser with a "kick me" sign on his back. They see a leader of the free world who is every bit as fierce and intimidating as Ellen DeGeneres.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWpvkLCvu4

Mar. 10 2014 10:12 AM
hilts

The Crimea/Ukraine crisis is the biggest foreign policy test of Obama’s presidency. Yet your coverage of this crisis hasn’t come close to adequate in terms of depth or breadth. So far, your coverage has been cursory, perfunctory, and downright lazy. This story cries out for far more airtime than you have devoted to it.

I challenge you, Brian, to convene an emergency daylong teach-in at the Greene Space with Steve Clemons, David Remnick, Richard Haass, Gideon Rose, Nicholas Burns, Fred Kaplan, Tom Ricks, Leon Aron, Stephen Sestanovich, Hedrick Smith, Walter Russell Mead, Robert Legvold, Dimitri Simes, Charles Kupchan, Jack Matlock, and Thomas P.M. Barnett to name a few, for the purpose of brainstorming solutions to the current crisis and figuring out how the US can best co-exist with Putin moving forward.

Mar. 10 2014 09:53 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

The Leftist Obama Media exaggerates, as usual, that Obama’s critics want to “go to war” over Crimea.
Nonsense. Henry Kissinger’s op-ed in the Wash Post was accurate about the limited options, as was that of Zbignew Brzezinski. (Links below) The speakers were even muted at CPAC.

What IS problematic is yet another massive (114 BILLION dollars!) cut this year in the defense budget in a world which nobody but Valerie Jarrett can fantasize isn’t getting ever more chaotic, dangerous and is arming itself to the teeth. When Obama’s former Secretary of Defense Secretary Bob Gates was asked Sunday if he would have resigned over these LATEST defense slashes, he declined to answer.
What IS dangerous is the real perception, from Tokyo to Riyadh to Berlin, of the disappearance of American diplomatic leadership and a commitment to solving even the smallest problems (other than bullying Israel). The repeated complaints from world capitals that Obama appears disinterested in international affairs are NOT a right wing invention.

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/zbigniew-brzezinski-after-putins-aggression-in-ukraine-the-west-must-be-ready-to-respond/2014/03/03/25b3f928-a2f5-11e3-84d4-e59b1709222c_story.html)

Mar. 10 2014 07:49 AM

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