Click on the 'Listen' button above to hear this interview.
If there's one man behind President Donald Trump's anti-establishment path to the presidency, it's Roger Stone. He calls himself a "brand name when it comes to dirty tricks." In an interview with The New Yorker in 2008, Stone said: "Remember, politics is not about uniting people. It's about dividing people and getting your 51 percent."
The Trump camp didn't get their 51 percent, but they did win the election. Stone, Trump's longtime political advisor and confidante, joins The Takeaway to discuss his path, and if his brand of divisive politics are now the norm for American politics.
Click on the 'Listen' button above to hear our full conversation with Stone.