The Public Editor Says Goodbye

Four years ago, Margaret Sullivan became the first woman to serve as public editor for The New York Times. She's now the longest-serving ombudsman in that role, but she's moving on to be media columnist at The Washington Post -- a job she starts next week. 

In April, she published her last column about her work at the Times -- and she also wrote "Five Things I Won't Miss at The Times -- and Seven I Will." Bob spoke with Sullivan about what she learned (and challenged) at the paper, including their rules for anonymous sourcing. And she reflected on the challenges of finite resources in a large newsroom, and how digital news platforms like Facebook complicate the editorial discretion of "the paper of record."

Music:

"Slim Jenkins' Place" by Booker T. & MG's