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Progressives: More Cops, Please

Friday, April 25, 2014

NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton joins Council members and advocates outside City Hall (Brigid Bergin/WNYC)

Vanessa Gibson, Bronx City Council Member (District 16) and chair of the Public Safety Committee, supports Speaker Mark-Viverito's proposal to add 1,000 police officers to the budget, a move resisted by Mayor de Blasio and Commissioner Bratton.

 

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Vanessa Gibson

Comments [30]

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Apr. 25 2014 12:32 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Sheldon again

Choose. It's either Law or Order. You simply cannot have both. It never works.

Apr. 25 2014 12:07 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Sheldon again

Police have always had to go somewhat outside the law in order to keep order. No constitution can change that fact. The only question is how egregious is the amount that police are allowed to operate outside constitutional law. But if they don't, there cannot be order. Under the constitution all citizens have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say that kids can't do so as well. Searches and seizures applied to HOMES, not to persons on the street. If you strictly follow the constitution, you cannot frisk and search kids for guns. You cannot keep order if police cannot deviate a degree from the law.

Apr. 25 2014 12:05 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Sheldon again

Police have always had to go somewhat outside the law in order to keep order. No constitution can change that fact. The only question is how egregious is the amount that police are allowed to operate outside constitutional law. But if they don't, there cannot be order. Under the constitution all citizens have the right to bear arms. It doesn't say that kids can't do so as well. Searches and seizures applied to HOMES, not to persons on the street. If you strictly follow the constitution, you cannot frisk and search kids for guns. You cannot keep order if police cannot deviate a degree from the law.

Apr. 25 2014 12:04 PM
Nigia from Bronx

More cops? No. Be a bit more present yes. The bigger issue I see? Families take in generations of criminals without any retraining in education or jobs, even sumple web surfing, business start ups, nothing productive at all. I live in the South Bronx, I hear this and see it. Without a basic vision for their future, these kids coming back from short prison sentences come home then, go back as if its a very normal occurrence. Many families here accept this cycle. There should be be tons more rehab programs for young criminals. It should be mandatory. I've heard many guys (and now young women) talking to children as if they are shaping their minds for criminality.
Intense, after school programs helped many of us find art and music, keeping us from gangs or having babies early. A police presence is necessary, but not a huge one. The more police here the more it becomes a war between cops and criminals here. There needs to be a more subtle approach.

Apr. 25 2014 11:57 AM
Klaus Stimeder from South Bronx

I just wanted to comment on the statements that "Fred" and another guy just made on the air about the situation in East Harlem because this strikes me as very telling concerning what's going on up there. So, Mr. Fred is bothered by the people who are alleged drug dealers? Ok. So why didn't you ask him: Have they ever bothered him? Have they ever bothered his family? Have they ever offered drugs to him? Have they ever mugged him? In the three years since he's been living there? As I'm sure none of this has ever happened I wonder what his motif is apart from the fact that he's obviously frustrated of not having been able to afford an apartment below 14th Street. I live in the South Bronx and before that I lived in East Harlem for 3 and a half years and though I surely observed some strange goings-on on my block, I not once had any issue with anybody of the people there, most of whom, in contrast to Fred, have been living in this neighborhood their whole lives. Bottom line: What we've just experienced is the ugly face of gentrification at its worst. In German (I'm Austrian) we call people like Fred "Blockwarte" for a reason.

b, KS

Apr. 25 2014 11:53 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@JG, there is, re: SCOTUS CASE "Terry vs Ohio." There is a constitutional and an unconstitutional way to do things:

DO NOT TAKE AWAY MY GUN RIGHTS.
DO NOT ILLEGALLY SEARCH ME.
DO NOT ILLEGALLY HAVE ME UNDER SURVEILLANCE
DO NOT ILLEGALLY LISTEN TO MY PHONE CALLS.
DO NOT SEND DRONES TO KILL ME WITHOUT A TRANSPARENT & VALID WARRANT.
DO NOT DETAIN ME FOR YEARS ON END, WITHOUT CHARGES OR A TRIAL.

Thank you.

Apr. 25 2014 11:52 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@John, the mail room is always busy, I get it. However, if you are going to criticize other people's grammar/"diction", especially with your racial inferences. Please have the decency to hold yourself to similar standards.

Apr. 25 2014 11:43 AM
jf

"bicycle" safety is is masking predatory gouging for profit by police. bikes can see down the street, stop light should be a stop sign for bikes, and tickets should be 25 bucks not $250 -$1150 or the third one. Criminal!the nypd is a criminal mafia. bikes make the streets 30% safer no matter how they ride(proven), cars and trucks are the problem! these extortive tickets are terrorizing bike riders saving the earth, and encouraging cars that murder 5000 in the city a year. think of the toddlers stuck in truck wheels!

Apr. 25 2014 11:42 AM
lamar from Harlem

Surprise. Surprise. This city council woman is woefully igonorant that was reduces crime is jobs. I grew up in Harlem and because there were no jobs for black youth, my friends became drug dealers. There was a story in the NY Times about how Detroit invested in job creation programs and its crime rate plummeted. How sad she is so blinded by a system that continues to replace and dealer with another.

Apr. 25 2014 11:42 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Sheldon

What is "constitutional" stopping and frisking? None of it is constitutional! What Wyatt Earp was doing in Dodge City was not constitutional. There is no "constitutional" way of stopping and frisking! It's all nonsense. If you don't want kids carrying guns, you have to have stop and frisk. And stop and frisk is not constitutional and cannot be.

Apr. 25 2014 11:40 AM
GandyDancer from Manhattan

We need better trained (and supervised) cops before we need more.

Apr. 25 2014 11:40 AM
john&Shelly from office

Shelly, I work. so I am busy. I type fast and need spell ck.

This "leader" is the reason we need the common core, the parents don't teach language skills.

Waiting for her to say "empowered"

Apr. 25 2014 11:37 AM
The Truth from Becky

Everyone may not have the "harvard grad" or "yale vocabulary, @J from the gutter however, she is active in the community and you?

Good effort chairwoman!

More officers is certainly NOT the answer, more training, better use and better pay for the deserved existing officers perhaps...

Apr. 25 2014 11:37 AM
Rob from NYC downtown

There are enough cops here

So many are sitting in cars with engine running reading paper.

Get them out and working.
Turn the cars off

Eg outside police plaza

Car running the entire day every day While he sits on car on his smart phone.
Every day all day

Ridiculous

Apr. 25 2014 11:37 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

JG, They are still stopping and frisking - as they should. They just have to now do it constitutionally. I don't think that is too much to ask, is it?

Apr. 25 2014 11:37 AM
jf

Cops do nothing but create more crime.They destroy peoples lives and tear families apart, making people poorer. The problem is rent. rent is criminally high. jobs pay criminally low, people cannot get even those bad miserable slave jobs to survive. what is there to live for in this trash strewn chemical filled hell hole? THE COMMUNITY NEEDS COUNSELORS NOT COPS. COPS MAKE MONEY FOR PRIVATE PRISONS, QUOTAS, AND FUNDING. PRISONS MAKE 150,000 A YEAR PER INMATE. DIESEL SHOULD BE ILLEGAL IT SPEWS A CHEMICAL AROUND THE CITY THAT CAUSES LUNG CANCER AND ASTHMA. POLICE PROTECT CORPORATIONS. All of the gun violence is because of drugs being illegal. IT's business.

Apr. 25 2014 11:36 AM

Community after school programs for our youth is a sensible way to keep our neighborhoods safer. Our anti-DeBlasio Governor Cuomo chose to give the banks big tax breaks rather than fund after-school programs. All the talk about "children are our first priority" always come down to keep the 1% happy at the cost of our children. Yes, we need more cops, they have stressful jobs and must commute out of the City and have not had a decent pay raise in years. They are parents too. Don't forget, we live in one of the richest cities in the world, but it is controlled by Governor Cuomo who is more interested in power for himself than the welfare of his constituents in New York City. (And he doesn't want DeBlasio to look too good either). There is enough money to give raises and add more cops, but Cuomo has locked up our right to the dollars needed for our communities.

Apr. 25 2014 11:36 AM
Robert from NYC

I agree with Ben. Use what we have, we already have the largest police dept in the country if not the world.

Apr. 25 2014 11:36 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

What's the point in having cops around if the hoodlums know they can not longer stop and frisk them? So the crooks see a cop. So what? Big deal.

Apr. 25 2014 11:35 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

So Sheldon

The cops are still stopping and frisking, or not? What do you know?

Apr. 25 2014 11:33 AM
Rooert from NYC

Please talk to you fellow councilwoman in Mott Haven who's on the take!!! That's a horror over there.

Apr. 25 2014 11:33 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

JG, DeBlasio did not get rid of stop and frisk. Get your facts straight please!!!

Apr. 25 2014 11:32 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Ah, John, it is Howard University, not howard university. I assume you're not thought decent English grammar in your mail room? "WOW".

Apr. 25 2014 11:30 AM

mgduke - good idea for all city workers including fire fighters, paramedics and even teachers.

Apr. 25 2014 11:27 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Let's see, DeBlasio got rid of stop 'n frisk and suddenly crime is going up and we need more cops! Hmmm. Am I the only one that sees some causality in this correlation?

Apr. 25 2014 11:27 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Let's see, DeBlasio got rid of stop 'n frisk and suddenly crime is going up and we need more cops! Hmmm. Am I the only one that sees some causality in this correlation?

Apr. 25 2014 11:26 AM
john from office

WOW, what diction. Another howard university grad.

POOOLICE Precinss

Apr. 25 2014 11:25 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The so-called "progressives" are the phoniest hypocrites on Earth. They don't live in predominantly black neighborhoods or send their kids to predominantly black public schools. At least if they didn't call themselves "Progressives" their hypocrisies wouldn't be so blatant. If they called themselves "conservatives" or some such then at least they couldn't be called hypocrites! Perhaps racists but not hypocrites.

Apr. 25 2014 11:22 AM

Nothing is as important for reducing crime, achieving traffic safe streets, and creating good, mutually-supportive, effective police-community relations as reinstating the requirement that all NYPD officers live inside the 5 boroughs, and not in suburbs as much as 100 miles outside the city as currently happening.

What could be more obvious than that police-community relations will be better when police live in the community and see the rest of us as neighbors rather than as now living far from our neighborhoods and seeing us as strangers rather than neighbors?

The answer to the argument that NYPD officers cannot afford to live in the city is to put them at the top of the list for NYCHA housing, which would not only give them affordable housing, but would be the single strongest step toward making the projects safe for all residents.

How can we get Mayor de Blasio, Council-member Gibson, and all other concerned members of our NYC government to make re-inforcing the residency requirement the crux of the upcoming negotiations for the new NYPD contract?

Apr. 25 2014 10:07 AM

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