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Municipal IDs

Friday, April 18, 2014

Tens of thousands of immigration reform supporters march in the 'Rally for Citizenship' on the West Lawn of the US Capitol in Washington, DC, on April 10, 2013. (SAUL LOEB/AFP/Getty)

Carlos Menchaca, City Council Member for Brooklyn's 38th district (Sunset Park), and Daniel Coates, lead organizer for Make the Road New York, speak in support of the bill, co-sponsored by Councilman Menchaca, to create municipal ID cards for New York City residents, regardless of immigration status.

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Daniel Coates and Carlos Menchaca

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Comments [35]

reece from ny

People who break the law ..should not be rewarded!!!! Shameful !!!!

Jul. 11 2014 08:03 AM
oscar from ny

@Amy I think you can get a new I'd in the computer and you pay there too

Apr. 19 2014 12:17 AM
dmc from NY

No discussion on how they will verify who they are issuing ID to. Can any terrorist just ask for id under ten different names and get ten id's. What will be in place to prevent this?

Apr. 18 2014 01:39 PM
dmc

Many commenters seem to be missing the point of this ID - which is to help people in this country illegally. Of course we are always told illegal immigrants do not qualify for benefits. Yet this card is designed to help them do exactly that. Great way to attract even more illegals to our city.

Apr. 18 2014 01:11 PM

This comment will get deleted but...this guy is an arsehole.

Apr. 18 2014 11:27 AM
JohnGar

I believe that there is no law in the United States that requires one to carry an ID card.

Apr. 18 2014 11:04 AM
Joe Pearce from Brooklyn

About 12 or 14 years ago, I went to the Greenpoint Post Office to pick up a package that they had been unable to deliver. I was informed that their rules now required that I show photo-ID, which I did not have. I was known at the Post Office and had been in it perhaps once a week, often picking up packages, for just about 50 years. Even though a couple of the clerks knew me, they had been instructed that everyone now had to show photo-ID and that they had to record it in some way on the pick-up slips. I had enough other identification to satisfy an army, but nothing with my photo on it. I asked to see the manager, he simply told me what the rule was, I mentioned that I was known to the clerks, he said that he had been there for two years but didn't know me, I said that I had been coming there for 50 years and didn't know him, and so what? Stand-off. How was I to get my package if I had no photo-ID? Answer: Get some! I refused to leave, he said if I didn't, they would have to call the police if I didn't leave (the Precinct House is a block away), I told him to go right ahead as it would make a great story for the local newspapers, and we finally came to an agreement that they would allow me to pick up this last package, but that I would have to present photo-ID in the future. So, I hated myself for giving in, but I did then have a couple of photos taken, filled out some paperwork, visited the Drivers License people, etc. and finally got a NYS Non-Driver Identification Card. It has been renewed periodically (and automatically) in the ensuing years, with the same photo on it that now bears absolutely no resemblance to me - but nobody cares, because I have the much-vaunted photo-ID. If I could do this, after having been born here and having been a citizen of the country for over 60 years at the time, I don't see any reason for anyone else not to be able to do it, hence I don't see the need for a New York City identification card of any kind. Oh yes, you need a Social Security number to get the NYS photo-ID; I don't know what you need to get a City one, but I'll bet my next month's Social Security that it will involve little more than showing up and asking for it. Anyway, to this day, I regard having to show a photo-ID of myself in lieu of other valid identification (hence, being unofficially mandated to carry it with me) as both an infrigement of my rights as an American citizen and as one more step to a future police state, even if the latter takes a hundred years to eventuate.

PS: There is no such thing, except in Government-Speak as an 'undocumented' alien. If he or she is 'undocumented', he or she is an 'illegal' alien and should be so described by your various guests, not to mention the hosts!

Apr. 18 2014 10:57 AM
Cynthia Crane from Point Lookout

I have an ID question. After being a patient at Rush since Jan 2014, I went for a double total knee replacement (3/24/14). It's 3 hrs until surgery. Admitting accepted Medicare & AARP IDs with my Maiden/Professional name (Crane), but then they saw my NYC Driver's License with my married name (Story), which they then gave preference to and set about admitting me under that married name. Only my making a scene, a kind-hearted employee and eventual common sense saved me from total chaos. My Passport is also under my married name. How can I get an ID that has my maiden/professional name? I don't want to change my passport or license.

Apr. 18 2014 10:45 AM
Marco from Manhattan

At some point Americans will realize that pandering to masses of illegal aliens is counterproductive. How high does unemployment have to go or how low do wages have to sink before they realize this?

Apr. 18 2014 10:45 AM
Joe from Ave. O

Absolutely asinine. There is already a form of identification available for residents who need it. If the existing ID issue process is too cumbersome or has problems, work on fixing those. This is incredibly stupid and inefficient.

Apr. 18 2014 10:37 AM
John from Bklyn

Yes, we New Yorkers need to stand together in defiance of Federal immigration laws.

Maybe we can join forces with that courageous cattle rancher in Nevada and his militia backers.

Apr. 18 2014 10:33 AM
Caesar Romaine from Manhattan

1) Nothing spells "confidence" better than a government beuracracy.

2) Government's inability to keep illegal aliens out of the country created the problem of illegals with no id. What better fix than another government program. Bad gov't caused the problem therefore bad gov't can fix the problem.

3) What other lawbreakers would the city councilman like to aid and abet?

Apr. 18 2014 10:33 AM
Ana from LES

Susana, that would be nice but it is not realistic. It is not just government buildings that require ID: stores now require ID when you use a credit card; most office buildings require one for entrance, etc. I think it's a fantastic idea. The state ID is a hassle to obtain; I'm a non-driver so I carry my passport card, which is handy, but getting a passport is even more of a hassle than getting state ID.

Apr. 18 2014 10:32 AM
Geoff from Yonkers

This idea is a big waste of time and money. This ID will be so forgeable it will be meaningless. Yes, it takes time to get an ID at the DMV, so what? It would take time to get this ID too.

Apr. 18 2014 10:30 AM
Bob

The caller Amanda who left her driver's license at the copy shop - why didn't she just get a replacement? You can do it on line; don't even have to visit the DMV office. Do we need a whole new system, with the expense of a whole new bureaucracy, for problems that are already easily solved with very little effort?

Apr. 18 2014 10:29 AM
sp from nyc

Sorry, but I'm not willing to have another document with potential for fraud on my person. Not worth the touble involved if it is lost or stolen.

Apr. 18 2014 10:26 AM
Susanna Margolis from New York

Isn't the Council going about this precisely the wrong way? Shouldn't they be insisting that cops and other institutions may not require ID? Required ID is a passbook, as in apartheid South Africa and indeed Nazi Germany, as an earlier caller said...

Apr. 18 2014 10:23 AM
Coz from NJ

There is nothing that says more "New Yorker" than the subway system. Why not tie to the new smart metro cards that MTA is developing?

Apr. 18 2014 10:23 AM
Dead Putin™ from Manhattan

Unless I missed this bit, how much is this all going to cost tax payers?

Apr. 18 2014 10:23 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Wait a minute--giving a driver's license bank card capabilities? Would that mean that if someone stole your license, they'd also have access to your bank account? What security measures could prevent this (& how much would they add to the cost of a license?), & couldn't they eventually be overcome by hackers? Could people opt out of having this functionality on their licenses?

Apr. 18 2014 10:22 AM

Would the ID be valid for a part-time resident? I am an apartment owner in lower Manhattan, but my primary residency is in another state, therefore, my personal ID's show a different address from NYC.

Apr. 18 2014 10:21 AM
Marie from Manhattan

Please ask your guest what the difference is between the municipal ID and the identification cards Republicans are requiring Americans across the country to carry in order to vote. Please note the NYS non-driver identification cards can be renewed online. If you ain't broke, don't fix it.

Apr. 18 2014 10:20 AM
adam from New Jersey

Some politicians are very creative in finding new ways to spend taxpayers' money. You have state id, dmv id. As for emigrants, they have an easy way of getting government id. They can just to go to their consulate or embassy and renew their passport

Apr. 18 2014 10:19 AM
Julie

Really, the lady who went through Katrina didn't go to the DMV and get another license after she lost it? Why did you take that call?

Apr. 18 2014 10:19 AM
Truth & Beauty from Brooklyn

I am of two minds about this. I do feel it is invasive, to some degree, but then I think about what might happen if someone were to suffer some sort of misfortune and were to remain unidentified because of lack of ID. Relatives could not be notified; health insurance could not be contacted in the case of emergency hospitalization, etc. Arrests could not be completed without ID: everyone would just be John or Jane Doe.

It is also good protection in the case of identity theft. How do you prove a person's true identity once it's been stolen? Some accurate form of identification, proven by birth certificate, photograph and finger print must be available so people whose identity has been stolen can prove they are the real person and not the identity thief.

There has to be a way to do this to provide legitimate identification without invasion of privacy, while at the same time being able to provide services to a person when necessary.

Apr. 18 2014 10:18 AM
Nancy Cadet from Fort Greene

I don't walk around with my drivers license in my wallet( I don't usually drive and have been pickpocketed twice). I found that many office buildings and university campus buildings require an official, photo ID ;and cultural, ethnic or advocacy groups often borrow or rent space in them to hold community events . So people lacking appropriate IDs are blocked from entering or participating .

Recently in medical offices I've been asked to show photo ID along with my insurance cards.

I will get a municipal ID in solidarity with our undocumented neighbors .

Apr. 18 2014 10:16 AM
nina from NYC

again the DMV will issue a non-driver ID, there is no issue here.

Apr. 18 2014 10:14 AM
AJD

Unlike standard ID, such as a driver's license, this device will allow advertisers to push ads, and give big data another entry point, no?

Apr. 18 2014 10:13 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Actually, the last time I renewed my driver's license I went to DMV Express in midtown, & it was pretty easy. They have a desk in front where someone asks you what you're there to do & directs you to the right place. Maybe it's because they have different areas for the different functions so there isn't 1 big line & you don't get to the front & then find out you need to go to wait in another line!

Apr. 18 2014 10:13 AM
Marco from Manhattan

This is a non-issue. You can get a DMV issued ID card; you can get a passport. Try functioning in the European Union without an ID. Being a citizen or legal resident carries with it the responsibility of being able to legally identify oneself.

Apr. 18 2014 10:11 AM
Peg

Agree with the caller who said that requiring an ID reminds her of Nazi Germany.

Apr. 18 2014 10:11 AM
Robyn from Brooklyn

I'm a US citizen and don't drive.i have been using my passport and lost it recently.my frustration is with the fact that in order to get a new id, I need an id! What can I do?

Apr. 18 2014 10:09 AM
Lucy from manhattan

I believe that the NY dmv will issue non-driver photo ids. that should take care of documented residents

Apr. 18 2014 10:05 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

How about Voter ID?

Apr. 18 2014 10:04 AM
Batya Miller from Upper West Side

Once my driver's license expired, I squeaked by with a university library card and eventually senior easy pay metro card. Although both had my photos on them, they were not official. I hit a brick wall when I went to return a item of clothing to a store which had become one of my favorite shopping venues. After pleading with both the clerk and manager, the store would not give me a refund on my credit card because I had no official ID to support it. Needless to say, I did not go back to that store at any of its locations. While I could do with less clothes, this brought home to me that a municipal ID benefits us all and I plan to apply for one as soon as they are available.

Apr. 18 2014 08:06 AM

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