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Monday, November 18, 2013

Mayor-Elect Bill de Blasio and Mayor Michael Bloomberg at City Hall (Brigid Bergin/WNYC)

Is this the week that Bill de Blasio announces his high-level appointments? Azi Paybarah of Capital New York and WNYC's Brigid Bergin set the stage for what looks to be a busy week of transition politics -- and Bloomberg legacy assessment.

Guests:

Brigid Bergin and Azi Paybarah

Comments [43]

Yuck

And to the hotheads out there, replying to "Mr. Bad" is not good for your cholesterol. IGNORE -- he's getting of on baiting you, probably literally.

Nov. 18 2013 12:23 PM
This comment page

I sometimes think that, if only this crazy bigot would listen to the BL Show, they would be a bit more open minded and knowledgeable.

Looking at this comment page, it's obvious that it's not so simple. Just sad.

Nov. 18 2013 12:20 PM
deTocqueville in NYC from The boroughs

I'm American,of African descent,and not opposed to stop and frisk...but opposed to the way in which it is exercised. Police officers do not respect or like many of the people and communities in which they work. The manner in which they treat "tanned" people would not be tolerated, nor would they do the same to the people in their own communities( too many of them are from LI)...but for a paycheck, promised taxpayer pensions and benefits, etc they are willing to travel to NYC to act like jailers to feed their families.

People often forget that nonverbal communication, tone,etc is 80-90% of communication. Sometimes, it may be hard to define the act of discrimination and disrespect. The most apt comparison may be Supreme Court Judge Potter Stewart's reference to pornography, "I may not know how to define it, but I know it when I see it." Discrimination/disrespect in NYC, as exercised by police officers and others, can easily be defined as, "We know it when we feel it".

Perhaps NYC should put a stricter law in place concerning a residency test for public servants...especially police officers. The police department and some of the the men (yes, mostly men) who run it are morally depraved...not too different from the criminals they claim to be chasing. They hate our city and a large percentage of the residents, but they want our tax dollars to pay for the survival of their families.

Lastly, to the other NYCers of European descent: OPEN YOUR MOUTHS AND SPEAK OUT AGAINST INJUSTICE. Your level of apathy is sickening. When was the last time in your collective memory has a "White child" been "accidentally" shot by a police officer...even in the bathroom of their own home...for having a candy bar, cellphone, wallet, etc in their pockets. I can think of no such incidence...I dare you to prove me wrong 3 times...or even once? Even if a young man has drugs in his pocket and runs from a police officer, does he deserve to be killed? What are you risking when you open your mouths? It can't possibly be 1/100th what the John Browns, William Lloyd Garrisons, Elizabeth Stantons, Angelina Grimkes,etc sacrificed for speaking out. Your silence makes you complicit in the various acts...somewhat reminiscent of the Germans during the Nazis terrorizing of the Jews. At least under madman Hitler, conscientious Germans may have had to risk some repercussions.What are you risking under our democracy? Your silence does not only communicate cowardice, it screams, "I"M SATISFIED WITH THE STATUS QUO AND THE HARM IT DOES TO THE BROWN PEOPLE AND THEIR CHILDREN".

Again, I do not want Stop and Frisk abolished...but modified and the entire police department need to conduct some serious training on sensitivity, etc. Criminals harm everyone and should be arrested and rehabilitated...not written off like dead dogs. Even dogs are treated better than some people in this city. Hence in a city or a world with no justice, there can be no peace!

Observing you in NYC,
Alexis DT

Nov. 18 2013 12:09 PM
Mr. Bad from NYC

Oh wow, all the JIDF traitors/trolls are out for blood! What brought them out? The idea for living in peace with people of other religions or the call for $15/hour for the 5 Boroughs. Nothing gets the JIDF up and out of bed than a call for social justice and peaceful coexistence.

Nov. 18 2013 11:49 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

I hope the NSA listens in on "Mr. Bad".

It could save lives.

Nov. 18 2013 11:46 AM
MArk from brooklyn

Hey Sheldon;

Do you ear yourself??

So based upon someone I meet at a party thus DESERVE to be stopped and frisked!!!!???

Amazing your lack of intellect do you even realize the contradiction and hypocrisy in your own posts??

Can I control who I meet at party? Am I thus a criminal?

I thought you were supporting the non-judgment PC stuff?? Wow I guess you have not the brains to even figure your own hypocrisy and contradictions out.

How typical/

And FYI I am a school teacher so I have probably contributed 1000 times more to society than you but I guess I am thus suspect (a notion you have thus far rejected as legitimate basis for stop/frisk right?) because of someone I meet and have nothing to do with.

AND FYI living in gun-infested Crown Heoghts it is not difficult or rare to meet such people as we are flooded by them perhaps you yourself have met one without knowing it. I guess you too are a good target for your own hypocrisy.

moron you don't deserve to listen to wnyc, lol

Nov. 18 2013 11:35 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Mr. Bad

"You hate living in multicultural society where Muslims, Christians and even Jews "

And EVEN JEWS have some rights here? Gee thanks. Yes, I was 4-F for being born with club feet in a DP camp in Germany to Holocaust survivors waiting to go to Palestine, but Truman allowed us to come here instead, and we kissed American soil.
But most of my Jewish friends DID serve either in Vietnam or in the service, and two were pilots. One was killed and the other became the youngest captain in the USAF, and received two Silver Stars and every medal short of the Congressional Medal of Honor for his amazing service there.

But thank you Mr. Bad Palestine for letting EVEN US JEWS for having some rights here. Jews have been here for a mere 360 years, that's all, and have contributed more to this country. It started to go down when your ilk was allowed BY LIBERAL JEWS to come here in droves.

Nov. 18 2013 11:28 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

MAN MUGGED IN CENTRAL PARK AT 68TH STREET BY PACK OF TEENS
“Police are searching for a group of teens who mugged a man in Central Park on Thursday night. The 52 year old was walking on a path near East Drive and East 68th Street when the group attacked him at 10:00 p.m. According to investigators, the five or six teens saw him walking by himself and one said,

The police are cutting back, stop and frisk was shelved several months ago, and now the word is spreading-IT”S DEBLASIO TIME.

(http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?id=9327029)

Nov. 18 2013 11:26 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@ Mark, Good for you. Based on your last post, you probably deserved to be stopped and frisked.

I'm all for legit law enforcement BUT:

As a law-abiding taxpayer, who doesn't have "friends of friends" who own illegal guns. I do not want cops to:

"randomly" stop me and search my person.

I do not want the government to "randomly" listen in on my phone calls.

I do not want the government to "randomly" read my email.

Call me old fashioned.

Nov. 18 2013 11:10 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

Stick it to the petit bourgeois diblasio! $15/Hour for the 5 Boroughs! Hit'em in the wallet make'm scream...

Nov. 18 2013 11:10 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

@ Edward from Liberated Ancient Heights AKA JIDF HQ

You and jgarbuzz should just get a room. You're both traitors and cowards who love Israel more than the USA, why not just admit it? You're not comfortable here, you hate our freedom. You hate living in multicultural society where Muslims, Christians and even Jews can live in peace if they choose. You want to live out some biblical fairy tale over there in the "holy land" so GO. Jump on a plane. I'm sure you were 4F too right? I'm guessing that you and jgarbuzz weren't 4F for flat feet or asthma, amiright? More of the "morally" unfit types... LOL

Nov. 18 2013 11:07 AM
Mark from broolyn

My point was/is I don't know if ty were legitimately looking for a bag that matches a description or not and I dent care, it was not such an affront to my dignity being stopped that I would want to trade the real results of the policy for the risk of offense to me ego.

I complied and they were polite, I didn't put up an argument and antagonize them which so many also do.

And btw FYI I have met a number of friends' of-friends at parties who all own guns and sell drugs (I don't hang out w them anymore) and the used to brag and laugh about all the guns they'd carry around the city all the tie and how easy it was to hide an SKS (chinese AK47 variant) in garment bags and music cases, etc they did it all the time.

So we need RANDOM stop and frisks bc you cannot always tell where the guns are so you must not permit people to devise ways of thwarting detection strategies. That makes the policy seem unfair but thats exactly why it works, and yes ALL THE PEOPLE I MET WITH GUNS WERE BLACK. Sorry, but they were. ALL> West Indian.

Nov. 18 2013 10:54 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@ Mark, If the cops had legitimately stopped you because you "matched a description" they had a right to stop you. Even De Blasio has supported that reason for stop and frisks, via his past statements.

HOWEVER - most of the stops and frisks in NYC, don't meet this basic threshold AND THEY ARE NOT AS NICE.

Nov. 18 2013 10:48 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Bob & "Muslim Watch": If you heard a caller say "destroy Wall Street," would you think he meant blow it up rather than shut it down if he weren't Muslim?

Nov. 18 2013 10:46 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

"in a few years NYC will be 40% Muslim"???

GOD FORBID!

Nov. 18 2013 10:45 AM

The Senate will not even allow debate on the supposed "fix", won't even allow a vote? Not my understanding of "transparent" nor "looking for bi-partisan cooperation".

But isn't that how benevolent tyranny always needs to rule?

Nov. 18 2013 10:45 AM
Mr. Bad

@ jgarbuz from Queens

I didn't say "country", I said the "5 boroughs of NYC" you raving old weirdo. how about some more red state roadside billboard rhetoric? Bolshevicks and abortions and state created babies? Do you ever leave home without your tin foil hat on and a .38 snubbie? lunatic.

Nov. 18 2013 10:44 AM
Muslim Watch NYC

Your caller with the comment:

Your caller:

"I am a Muslim and in a few years NYC will be 40% Muslim. We need to destroy Wall Street."

If the NYPD or Homeland Security does not request/require WNYC to provide that guy's phone number they are just not doing their job.

And Brian, I normally admire and even try and emulate your patience and tolerance, but in this case you have opened yourself up to criticism for not pointing out immediately what every non-terrorist was thinking -- SCARY MAN ALERT

Nov. 18 2013 10:40 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Mr. Bad

Why don't you emigrate to a country where you are guaranteed a $15 an hour minimum wage? Surely there must be many.

Nov. 18 2013 10:36 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

DURRRRRRR. Maybe raise the minimum wage in NYC? What is stopping NYC from making the minimum wage $15 in the 5 Boroughs? You can't "export" a service job.

Nov. 18 2013 10:31 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

What will replace Stop and Frisk?

Stop and Mug.
Stop and Stab.
Stop and Rape.
Stop and Shoot.

Now that's "progressive".

Nov. 18 2013 10:30 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Since we want the State to take care of "our" children from age 3 to death, why not just go all the way and let the State produce and care for them altogether?

Nov. 18 2013 10:30 AM
mark from brooklyn

Thats right I said "near" and it is CH where I live.

Nov. 18 2013 10:28 AM
Joyce from NYC

Why is there continued surprise that there is continuing economic stagnation.

Obama campaigned on ending American exceptionalism, including this prosperity.

Nov. 18 2013 10:28 AM
mark from brooklyn

I had a back pack and they said they were looking for someone with a bag that matched desc, I look ambiguous ethnicity, so I didn't ask too many questions I could see they are in a rush and were genuinely looking for something/one and I complied, they said sorry, thanks, and we parted ways - I didn't mind at all and was glass they were looking for whatever.

Whe you actually LIVE with gunshots all around you the political correctness BS tolerance goes WAY WAY DOWN and RESULTS matter WAY WAY more.

Nov. 18 2013 10:27 AM
Joyce from NYC

You had a Muslim caller who expressed some policy suggestions. Why do you not take him and his suggestions seriously and discuss them?

Nov. 18 2013 10:26 AM
Amy from Manhattan

"Externalities"? Anyone know what that means in terms of taxes?

Nov. 18 2013 10:25 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Why not just have the State produce children in factories to equal genetic standards so that they are all produced "equal." That will solve the "inequality problem" by just producing children to agreed upon genetic standards. No abortion. No children for people to bother over or worry about. Everyone produced with equal good health, good looks, equal good everything to strict standards, like Lebensborn?`

Nov. 18 2013 10:25 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@ Mark, you say that you live near Church and Flatbush - that's not Crown Heights.

Nov. 18 2013 10:25 AM
Bob from nyc

LMAO

A muslim guy calls and wants the police to stop surveilling Mosques and then calls for "Destroy Wall St!" !!!

Hahaha the irony would be hilarious if it wasn't so scary. Doe these people hear themselves??

Nov. 18 2013 10:24 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@ Mark, Did they say why they stopped you?

Nov. 18 2013 10:23 AM
Bobby G from East Village

Azi Paybarah should be more careful in his choice of words when he uses "dictate" to describe Mayor Bloomberg's governing style. Bloomberg my not be an aggressive progressive, but he is certainly not a dictator.

Nov. 18 2013 10:22 AM
Dan from Washington Heights

With all this discussion of "affordable housing", can we actually talk about housing for the middle class? I'm a NYC civil servant and I can't afford to buy a THING! Let's call affordable housing what it is, one step above public housing. Where is the purchasable housing for someone who works and earns a reasonable salary, but doesn't have 350,000 dollars for a 1 bedroom in Inwood (for example).

Nov. 18 2013 10:22 AM
Robert from NYC

You won't get anywhere on this forum of Bloomberg-leaning "centrists" deal Lumiere [sp?] But you go girl you got my vote.

Nov. 18 2013 10:21 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

Community Policing?

Should work as well as Community School Boards.

IOW a DISASTER for the community.

Nov. 18 2013 10:21 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The neo-bolshevik revolution has begun. I fear for the future.

Nov. 18 2013 10:20 AM
Josh Karan from Washington Heights

Aggressively progressive in education

Theme: articulate what is necessary for all students to achieve educational excellence, even if the Mayor alone does not have the power to provide all the ingredients needed

A) Double the per pupil funding -- to the same level of the best private schools and suburban public schools
B) Class sizes equivalent to theirs --- 15-18 in all grades
C) Rich curricula programs and facilities --- art rooms, musical instruments, science labs; all of which are missing at many schools middle and high schools.
D) Universal pre-K for 3 year olds as well as 4 year olds
E) Community schools --- with health clinics, and afterschool programatic use for adults and children in the arts, civics, and athletics.

This will be very costly. But nothing short of this total can be expected to make a substantive difference.

"If you think education is expensive, try ignorance", the hidden costs of which are rarely included in the public discussion.

Do this for the next 20 years, and if it does not make a difference, I will shut up for the rest of my life!

Nov. 18 2013 10:19 AM
T.Henry from Brooklyn

Open up licensing by DCA. Or let artists work on the streets without fear of NYPD. In time of high unemployment, it doesn't make sense that the city would not allow people to work without being in fear of arrests and having things confiscated by cops.

Nov. 18 2013 10:17 AM
Greg From Brooklyn

Tish James endorsement could be a trial balloon to see how the public reacts to the idea of Phil Banks as police commissioner. If Phil is not ready to dismantle stop and frisk, then DeBlasio should not select him.

Nov. 18 2013 10:16 AM
mark from brooklyn

PS And Ive been stopped-and-frisked and I don't care!!!! Guess what?? Noting to hide, the police were polite, no problem!! Crime has dropped precipitously as a result, so if black people are offended they should focus that anger on the others who look like them who are causing all the violence and their dysfunctional families who cannot control them *and yes thats the REAL problem that none of these PC politicians would dare admit but we see it everyday)

The stories of dysfunctional parenting I observe everyday here in crown Heights could fill a tragic, awful book that you wouldn't believe.

Nov. 18 2013 10:13 AM
jeremy eagle from Inwood

We could use a WPA (Works PROGRESS Administration) revisited

Nov. 18 2013 10:12 AM

Streetcars. Bringing them back already. NOW! <---- my six words!

Nov. 18 2013 10:10 AM
mark from brooklyn

Its so easy to be politically correct from 20,00 ft when you live in nice safe park slope and UES, I live in crown heights near Church ave and flatbush and its been a WARZONE out here until the last few years since the Police actually got control of guns and crime and now its wonderful, new businesses are flourishing, we can walk down the street a night and feel relatively safe (only 3 murders on my block this summer!! woo hooo)

And now Im terrified it will all go backwards to what it was few years ago (gunshots 5 nights a week, can't sit near windows, murders, fights every night, guys beating their girlfriends in-between parked cars) due to political correctness.

And cummunity policing?? what a joke. Like test guys who shot each other talk about it with their priests!! Community policing is good for holding marches, banging drums and yelling "why Oh why..." and getting NOTHING accomplished.

Nov. 18 2013 10:09 AM

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