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Clark talks about his experience during World War 2, including stories about a dog and General Patton.
Van Doren introduces Kimbrough, who talks about her latest book, "The Innocents from Indiana" and her life.
Van Doren introduces Maugham, who talks about changes in publishing, grants for writers, his suggestions for running something similar to the American Academy in Rome, investing in writers.
Van Doren closes the program.
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There is another similarity between then and now in this international army that you hear about and it is known as the Atlantic that it is essential off that we hold together the man and the vision is in the air in the navy of these various nationalities of Western Europe with banded together for peace loving countries who are determined that they will keep their democratic ways of life it reminded me of the difficulties that I had in the Italian campaign where I had twelve different nationalities working under me I have a friend in the British and the New Zealanders almost crazy and from your country. I had the Indian troops we had our nice E.F. five thousand of them from Hawaii in the West Coast colored and white American troops I twenty five thousand Brazilians of hundred thousand Poles or Italian divisions and some others that I have not mentioned all of them team played in order that they might do away with the aggressor that we had then that is the challenge now to build again one of these hodgepodge armies that has different characteristics different customs different gods and different languages I'm sure that that also can be overcome I well recall in Italy the necessity when we had the Indian troops of keeping herds of goats right behind the line in order that we could feed good meat to those fellows but they couldn't eat other kinds of meat I remember the Brazilian troops with their small feet our shoes wouldn't fit them and we had on a small enough they had to stuff a paper in their shoes I remember with the Brazilians that we had to get the fellows who spoke Portuguese to put into the tanks and they are a plan and they are to raid liaison officers who supported them and I well remember with a friend who me age the A rabs from the mountain. They had no hospitals and when they were wounded in action they came to our hospitals and I would call the consternation of our nurses when they issued them pajamas and they wore the pajama plant pants as turbans. Those are some of the problems that one must be confronted with in building this new international army but again I say that will be done as a part of my mission to determine combat readiness I went back to Europe a few weeks ago in order to see the troops in Germany and Austria and Italy the troops are well trained but they are hopelessly inadequate in numbers to do the job that may confront them I'm delighted that the president of the United States has indicated his determination to reinforce those troops over there and we are working hard on that at the present moment I went to Australia and I'm reminded of two incidents I read ask me to Talley's one when I landed at Salzburg the other day the troops were lined up as a guard of honor and out in front. Was a sergeant holding a great big police dog that dog was Mike he was in command of these troops and I'll tell you about Mike when I was in North Africa and we were going to still learn all I had Mike as a little pup here is the way Mike came to me one Sunday when we were trying to enforce discipline in North Africa I was driving around and I saw soldier who obviously had had too much to drink he was a sergeant he had this dog on a leash a beautiful police dog I pulled up alongside of him and I said Sergeant You're a disgrace to your uniform you know we're trying to make you noncommissioned officer seven example we had quite a conversation and he rather stiffened up and sobered up a little bit all the time he had this dog on the leak. Fine I said can you get home and he said yes and I said Will you go home go to bed never let me see you in this situation again he saluted and as he did so he said to the dog don't bite the general. With that big police dog head pops a couple of weeks later and I was given might who served with me off to the war and the other little incident had to do when I was in Vienna and Georgie Patton with whom I had been associated for many years one of the finest soldiers that this country ever produced Georgie was in Germany at the time he telephoned me on the day of his accident I couldn't get through to him. But finally my aunt came in when I said get him back and said General Patton is on the phone I picked up the receiver and I said Georgie and the boys on the phones and Georgie who ally said I'm after General Patton he's tried to phone me he said get off the line this voice did good Americans when I said now wait a minute there's an important call I've got to get through you get off the line he came back he says Get the hell off the line well I said now wait a minute I'm trying to get through to General Patton and I said Who are you. And he said Who are you I said I am General Clark calling General Patton I said What is your name there's voices wouldn't you love to know and up went the receiver. I can still hear that voice ringing in my ears and someday we're going to meet up. Now ladies and gentlemen in conclusion. I would like to say that my experiences put me in very close touch with our Soviet colleagues I went to Australia as the High Commissioner I went with Mr Byrne to London the his deputy for the Council of Foreign Ministers and with General Marshall to the last Moscow conference in an effort to get together with the Soviets on the various treaties for Austria and Germany every constructive move we put up as well as those for two years in Austria was vetoed and blocked by the Soviets they know what strengths means they despise weakness it was the courageous act of our president when he catapulted our troops into Korea a few months ago that I think showed these aggressive leaders that we mean to be determined that we mean to have strength I think it was the thing that they appreciated in the way of strength that caused them to reappraise the situation and to stop look and listen a course of rearmament has been set for our country for the next full military team of the Army and the Navy and the air let us go full steam out and to get some of these blue chips that impress the leaders of aggression. In order that they will know that we do not intend to continue to be cheated at this poker game which we've been playing for the past five past five years we must keep on going we must not be lulled to sleep by phony peace feelers the end that's the size they are given a shot in the arm we must get this strength blue chips in the form of divisions and battleships and airplanes we must give notice to them to the world and to anyone who would take our freedoms from us by the grace of God We intend to keep these privileges in the freedoms in the blessings which we hold so dear in our beloved America thank you very much. The of. It's a delight to have Emily Kimbrough here again. Many of you heard her speak just after the publication of it gives me great pleasure that's all suntanned there yes account of the good and bad points of lecture two and. You may remember that this Kimbrel counted as one of the good points the blissful privacy a motel rooms and the magic of that Do Not Disturb sign on the door whether one wanted to sleep during not even to work made up for a great deal. The chief disadvantage she found was from well meaning but misguided hospitality. Particularly it will be a long time before I forget her lunch and described by which began with the heart of a great proof. Reposing it. I am. Which are all in a way autobiographical appeared in the order of the events they describe that wonderful trip to Europe which she wrote about with. Our hearts were young and occurred when they were about nine hundred twenty. Then came we found our hearts to Holly own account of their experiences during the filming of the story the next volume began at the beginning how dear to our hearts was a charming picture of him bro's life in Muncie Indiana as a child when automobiles when new and outraged by that terrifying effect on horses had been known to shoot at them incidentally Mrs Clarke also is from months in Indiana at least she and I knew each other and I childhood so it's very nice that they gather. Now she turns once more to her child. Brother aged five and Emily a superior eleven. From the monthly where they were significant as mother put it to Chicago where they meant nothing to anybody. The experiences of the Kim Bros in the big impersonal city are both funny and pain. From the suspicious first arrival at the exclusive family home tell when the brother gave one and lost his lunch before the eyes of dozens of outraged guests. To the End Five years later when Emily was crushed temporarily by learning that though she had passed from Greek and Latin she had failed I probably Jenkins examination in mathematics the pages are filled with into the more the fine hilarious poignant and the shit that was the time when mother hoping to instill culture into our children took the brother to here to silence place a gentleman in the next box attracted by the child's apparently a doozy of a call loudly I blow out I caught the gentleman which Fritz Christ. Or the cream Bihari when Emily age thirty eight to come could Khun fastened one evening to the screening of fathers and mothers a new fangled sleeping porch had damp and awoke them as they did enormous spluttering. But really for yourselves you find Miss Kim Bros I don't sense of humor in looking back on childhood and never failed self once more it gives me great pleasure to introduce to you the author of that most entertaining book the innocents from Indiana American. For. Very much. It gives me great pleasure to be here today and I think it only fair to admit a selfish pleasure on my thoughts at a very deep sense of gratitude till I rated X. because in the taken as to some extent. E a. Certain. Occasion by my own twin daughters and though it happened some time ago the uncomfortable memory lingers I returned from a lecture tour and went to see them there at boarding school and after the first few moments of rapturous reunion detected on their part that overhanging cloud of apprehension which I hate that I thought of the well I told them I had already spoken to the headmistress of the school and learned from her of both their academic standing and their conduct were adequate. And since this text me that our fondest hopes of know. I could not understand the reason for their after henchman to my astonishment my announcement seemed not to dispel that cloud and so I asked outright the thought of it and then the twins sidled close to me and one of them said and of course an anguished with Bird Oh my it's only that even if they should ask your promise so she won't speak here. Well I have been out and I am speaking here in the Great Hall. Since the book the innocence from India. Is in the brain reminiscent. Very memory of that too new fresh in my mind lead me to become somewhat less Daljit and reminiscent here I am. Rather forcibly aware of the contrast between this occasion and my first lunch in a city hotel was shortly after I moved to Chicago and my parents took brother and me to the Congress hotel for lunch preceding our first appearance. And opera we were to see that afternoon a performance of Carmen the whole day was ablaze with excitement for us and not the least of it was the first as I say a meal in a large family hotel added to that excitement wildly and not much on the part of our parents that we could order anything we light my brother turned happily to the waiter and then clearing penetrating tone. I would like an alligator player chocolate ice cream and baked beans preferably out of the can I like those best. I wished I were dead. I begged to be taken home I was not taken home however we did go on to the performance of. Kong and on the way went through with a passage connecting the old Congress of the auditorium and came into the crowd of theater goers which Rather announced in loud tone that he would like to speak of the sideshows first. The pop top performance itself of Carmen though exciting was a little bit we'll bring because. The very refined version of it mother had told us in advance. She had described Carmen as an ardent bullfight and feels yes. And what she was doing up in the mountain fastnesses I could not imagine. Brother was equally confused and more vociferous like disappointed because her stress on the both fighting had made him feel that one would take place on the stage. And where this seemed not to be occurring but instead a crowd gathered outside the arena he rose from his seat and plunged up the aisle with a purpose of going around back where the fight seemed to be going on. There was another performance in this train of memories that seems to me as I look back on it at this moment to have a somewhat a similarity with the occasion here today this was a performance in which I took not one but two parts it was a school production of A Midsummer Night's Dream and in that I play both the rustic a very old man and frail I should think both physically and mentally. Says the. Prisoner. But I was also. One of to train and I was to do a solo. My life has never since then scaled quite such an Alpine P.. The night of the performance came around and I whisked from one part to the other first I was the rustic and the fairy the rustic and the parrot and last came a great moment from my solo performance. And of the strains of the Mendelssohn Midsummer Night's Dream music I tiptoed out across the stage. And embarked on the first step only to hear from the front row the voice of my mother raised in agitation but Authority. To leave the state. Recognized the voice and the authority behind it but I felt that this was a moment when I must make my own decision and so with determination then. I planted a foot again on the first step only to hear injunction repeated. And simultaneously a ripple of sound in the back of the auditorium that increased in volume until the abrupt the sound of the curtain before my face reflected off from life and then willing and eager helpers rushed from the wings to do in the exigencies of the rapid changes they had neglected to do which was. At this occasion today. Between these two speakers one of them a great figure. And the other a great writer I have admired many years. I think. It's not perhaps not every word I have read but certainly many of his words I have learned I have taken to heart if I have this as a solo performer I am indeed a rustic Thank you. Thank you Mr. Speaker today. We are particularly on a day. Because he doesn't make many appearances. It is only right that we have the pleasure of hearing someone has become perhaps the most controversial literary figure. And his plan way west that points out in his excellent introduction to the new. The controversy as such things go today distinction it is not about politics no morals no ideology it is entirely about literary. Mr Milan himself quite aware of the opin