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Flight Plans Over Conflict Zones

Wednesday, July 23, 2014

It's been a busy week in the world of aviation - MH17 shot down in Ukraine and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) banning US-airlines from flying to Tel Aviv for 24 hours. Barbara Peterson, senior aviation correspondent for Conde Nast Traveler and Jacques Astre, an airline transport pilot with over 30 years experience as an aviation safety inspector with the FAA, talk about how flight plans deal with conflict zones.

Guests:

Jacques Astre and Barbara Peterson

Comments [16]

Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY

"But could he not find just a smidgeon of compassion for the over 600 Palestinian civilian human beings (men, women, children, the old and the infirm) who have so far been killed by Israel with sophisticated American weapons, and the despair of the people in Gaza under siege for more than seven years now, and the miserable conditions they have been forced to live under?"

The IDF tries everything they can to not hit any civilians. They even to go to sending out leaflets and making phone calls telling them to clear out so that they won't get hit. However, Hamas forces them to stay put them into harm's way. If there is anyone who should really be taking the blame here, it's Hamas, not Israel. BTW, placing your own people into harm's way is a violation of international law. Also, placing weapons and military bases in densely populated areas, which is what Hamas does, is another violation of international law. As for the funds by the US going to Israel, they are mainly to buy American products, and this has nothing to do with what Israel does at all considering that they fund their own military. One other thing, will you say the same thing about Syria, which is actually doing state sponsored terrorism and killing civilians on a much larger scale with no regards to what is there or are you just selective to Israel on that?

Jul. 24 2014 03:23 PM

"Israelis express anger over U.S. flight ban to Tel Aviv" WASH POST

Of course !! They know that the guy in the White House dislikes Israel ... and the people who live there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/kerry-in-israel-to-push-for-cease-fire/2014/07/23/4d902146-123b-11e4-98ee-daea85133bc9_story.html?hpid=z2

Jul. 23 2014 09:04 PM
Laila Poje from New York

Although this discussion focused on the pros and cons of the 24-hour FAA ban on American-based carriers on flying to Tel Aviv, some political comments were voiced. As a long-time listener and supporter of WNYC, I know very well where Mr. Lehrer’s sympathies lie, no matter what, in the Israeli-Palestinian issue. But could he not find just a smidgeon of compassion for the over 600 Palestinian civilian human beings (men, women, children, the old and the infirm) who have so far been killed by Israel with sophisticated American weapons, and the despair of the people in Gaza under siege for more than seven years now, and the miserable conditions they have been forced to live under? Or could he at least pretend that he has any compassion for them?

Jul. 23 2014 01:20 PM

Actually, this closing (because a missile landed a mile away) should remind Little Barry (and the morons here) that the Israelis can NEVER give up control of the West Bank, which is just a 5.9 miles away from Ben Gurion Airport. Thank the FAA for emphasizing that point.

They can draw a big map for Obama with crayons when he's back from fundraising.

http://www.defensibleborders.org/images/map6.jpg

Jul. 23 2014 11:32 AM
Tal Barzilai from Pleasantville, NY

The reason why flights to Israel have been cancelled or just postponed is because both the Israeli PM and Knesset don't want any possible rockets hitting the planes. It's better to wait for the tensions to be down before traveling there. I'm sure nobody wants to go there right now with the fear of qassam rocket being aimed at them. They can't rely solely on the Iron Dome to do everything as it only stops most of them, but not all of them. As for Hamas, they may have only been around since 1987, but they are created from extremists that are bent on seeing the destruction of Israel by using terrorism to make their cause, and I hardly see them as either freedom fighters or a resistance group as some make them to be. One other thing, Hamas has a history of placing their own kind into harm's way by either using their own people as human shields or even placing their military bases or weapons in densely populated areas, which are all violations of the Geneva Convention.

Jul. 23 2014 11:14 AM
Anonymous from Upper East Side

Martin, I suppose the FAA hates Israel also by that logic? dumb.

Jul. 23 2014 11:10 AM

Israel seems to be acting out of profound cynicism in its strong push to get our FAA to reverse its banning of American flights into Israel.

Certainly, Israel realizes that there is a chance of having a plane shot down. Why insist on having our planes take this risk?

Would Israel secretly welcome having an American commercial plane hit by a Hamas rocket, as a way of further inflaming American public opinion against Hamas, chaining America even more tightly to Israel, and drowning out the news of Israel’s ongoing war crimes?

Jul. 23 2014 11:09 AM

Airlines have had huge cancellations to Israel because of the conflict. I think the airlines cancelling their flights has more to do with empty planes. It seems to me the FAA stopping planes for 24 hours is reasonable. Time for evaluation.

Jul. 23 2014 10:56 AM

Obama DOES hate Israel ... he IS jealous of Netanyahu (and any real leader) .... and this is the "Chicago-way" of squeezing Israel.

Ignore this lightwieght. He and Valerie Jarrett leave the White Hose in 912 days and 1 hour.

Jul. 23 2014 10:53 AM
Miljan from Clark, NJ

What if Hamas Leadership, is really Israel's creation?
Radicals have always been an excellent excuse for military excursions.
-And there are plenty of ties between our "just" govs. w/ them-.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-trained-by-israeli-mossad-nsa-documents-reveal/5391593

Jul. 23 2014 10:51 AM
Jake S

So they're an important part of the old military-industrial complex. And if they matter so little to Israel, they won't mind if we cut off aid. Let's get on that.

Jul. 23 2014 10:51 AM
Amy from Manhattan

The caller said her babysitter & her family were going to the West Bank, not the Gaza Strip, so there's much less cause for worry (at least in their case).

Jul. 23 2014 10:50 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

There is another Israeli airport capable of handling huge airliners called Uvda in the south and about a 4 hour bus ride back to Tel Aviv. It is now being used for backup.

Jul. 23 2014 10:48 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Jake

The $3 billion in "aid" to Israel actually funds over 20,000 good paying manufacturing jobs in the US, primarily in McDonald-Douglas, Boeing and Raytheon producing planes, helicopters and missiles for Israel. And the $3 billion is only 20% of the $16 billion Israel DoD budget.

Jul. 23 2014 10:45 AM
Jake S

Yes, Joyce, a 24-hour ban after a rocket lands perilously near the airport is a prove of just how much Obama hates Israel. You've cracked the code! Never mind the billions of dollars in military aid that continue to fund Israel's murder of Palestinians.

Jul. 23 2014 10:42 AM
Joyce from NYC

Ok, who is going to tell me that this is not an anti Israel move on the part of the administration.

Jul. 23 2014 10:34 AM

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