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The Fate of the Military Sexual Assault Bill

Tuesday, November 19, 2013

The Military Sexual Assault Bill is expected to be up for a divisive Senate vote this week. Darren Samuelsohn, senior policy reporter for POLITICO, discusses the bill sponsored by Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand.

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Darren Samuelsohn

Comments [19]

david ores from LES NYC

Is the Pentagon a Rape Factory?

For each sexual assault or rape reported, how many are NOT reported? What is the ratio? 5 to 1? 10 to 1? 20 to 1??

Even the Catholic CHurch is ahead on this issue Creepy.

Nov. 19 2013 06:15 PM

PFC La Vena Johnson was 19 years old at the time of her death.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIQITQMlObU

The Army ruled her death a suicide, but that is not credible.

PFC La Vena Johnson had lye in her vagina, her hands had been
burned, fractured neck and nose, smashed in teeth, multiple bite marks
through out her body. Her vagina,anus and tongue had been surgically removed during autopsy and her parents were not informed of this.

60 Minutes, Essence Magazine have
tried to do stories on this,
but the have met stiff resistance.

Nobody, regardless of how much political clout they might have,
should be able to get away with doing this, inflicting such horror
on a 19 year old.

A lot of us are parents and we would like to see justice done,
if this happen to one of our children.

This is a story, that is crying out for justice.

Nov. 19 2013 11:03 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretenious Hudson Heights

mgduke said:

"Consider the bombing of Dresden"

First consider the London Blitz and the War Crimes of national Socialist Germany.

Nov. 19 2013 10:42 AM
Nick Lento from NJ

Given that the military consists of people trained to use arms....and with easy access to deadly force.......... It is truly amazing that there aren't thousands of rapists and a abusers being shot and killed, or worse. It must be pure hell to have been raped and to have no effective recourse to getting any real justice...and then being compelled to continue to work with the rapist and to continue to be subservient to an evil corrupt system that protects the rapists. Why don't many of the victims snap and take the law into their own hands. I wish the show had addressed this question.

Nov. 19 2013 10:39 AM
ivan obregon from manhattan

Serve your country indeed......An internal authoritarian fascist military order does not embody, preserve, encourage, represent nor "make us proud" of neither democracy nor freedom nor justice that doesn't exist for....the men and women who are supposed to be fighting for it for us.

Nov. 19 2013 10:25 AM

Why in heaven's name is the speaker creating a hierarchy of shame among survivors of rape? Why is it "of course more shameful" for male victims? And why didn't Mr. Lehrer challenge this obvious discriminatory statement?

Nov. 19 2013 10:23 AM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

If rape of woman in the military is so high then the questions should be asked as to what kind of male join’s the military and makes a career of it? Is the military a place for a type mentally ill male to hide as we saw the Catholic Church and it's struggle with child abuse?
Or is America’s military system incapable of weeding out as to who is accepted within its ranks.
Or are we such a militarized society that we cannot go beyond our adulation of militarism and ask the hard question?
Dose a voluntary military force work? Or is best that all should serve and that will include the entire society and it’s social prohibitions?

Nov. 19 2013 10:22 AM
John from Bklyn

Unfortunately, as usual “rape” (forcible penetration) is lumped in with “assault,” rendering the numbers and the problem fuzzy at best. This does not mean that assault is not important - just that it’s always nice to know exactly what we’re talking about. Advocates who lump these categories together deserve our suspicion.

Nov. 19 2013 10:20 AM
lizzy from NYC

Why would there be MORE shame for men experiencing rape in the military?
Did I hear that correctly? Rape is an act of violence. It is a crime. Sounds like there might be some homophobia and sexism in that position of your guest.

Nov. 19 2013 10:19 AM
John from Bklyn

Unfortunately, as usual “rape” (forcible penetration) is lumped in with “assault,” rendering the numbers and the problem fuzzy at best. This does not mean that assault is not important - just that it’s always nice to know exactly what we’re talking about. Advocates who lump these categories together deserve our suspicion.

Nov. 19 2013 10:19 AM
j from nyc

It doesn't make sense, Gillibrand thinks civilian courts will be more 'just' ... how does this at all solve the problem? Look at our public prison system and the recidivist rate... you'd like Gillibrand was living under a rock her entire life.

Nov. 19 2013 10:18 AM
John from Bklyn

Unfortunately, as usual “rape” (forcible penetration) is lumped in with “assault,” rendering the numbers and the problem fuzzy at best. This does not mean that assault is not important - just that it’s always nice to know exactly what we’re talking about. Advocates who lump these categories together deserve our suspicion.

Nov. 19 2013 10:18 AM

As far as I know, Sen. John McCain has never defended individual rights.
He has attacked every Amendment in the Bill of Rights, except the Third.
Sen. John McCain is not qualified to defend the Constitution.

Nov. 19 2013 10:16 AM
siahro from Upstate NY

This needs to happen, no matter what any body says. Military has to treat sexual assault differently. Being previously married to a military sergeant, the chain of command has an incredibly BIAS and SEXIST opinion about women who report sexual assault. The general consensus is usually that women who report sexual assault are trouble makers. I have seen soldiers go along with this mentality and it is probably propagated from the top down. Chain of command do not know how to deal with these assaults and they need to be taken out of the process, period. I think the pentagon does not want to take up Gillibrand's proposal because they don't want to tip the misogynist power balance within the military. The status quo in uses sexual violence to keep women in the military in "their place".

Nov. 19 2013 10:15 AM

Isn’t the crux that the military is an institution created to perpetrate violence, including mass killing, which is bound to include many actions that could be second-guessed by lawyers? Consider the bombing of Dresden, etc.

Nov. 19 2013 10:11 AM
j from nyc

As a former enlisted female I'll say its the fault of the higher up for insisting that women serve along side men despite the fact that Americans are incredibly sexually repressed, violent and the military uses this (look at abu gharib). Therefore, the solution will not come from the top, but through healthy and normal approaches to sex.

Nov. 19 2013 10:09 AM
Saskia Scheffer from NYC

Why doesn't Obama call in all the top people in charge and tell them to stop this? He is their commander in chief.

Nov. 19 2013 10:08 AM
Susan from Nyc

How about single sex troops!
Sounds wacky but maybe an idea to consider.
Remember the great Amazon warriors.

Nov. 19 2013 10:08 AM

Why is it just hazing when a man gets raped

Nov. 19 2013 10:07 AM

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