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Faith in Palestine

Thursday, March 27, 2014

Mitri Raheb, president of Dar al-Kalima University College, senior pastor of the Evangelical Lutheran Christmas Church in Bethlehem and author of Faith in the Face of the Empire: The Bible through Palestinian Eyes (Orbis Books, 2014) talks about his work in Bethlehem to establish a Palestinian community.

 

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Mitri Raheb

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Comments [28]

JuliaFR

Henri from MD I totally agree!

Apr. 14 2014 01:10 AM

It might be more interesting to talk about solutions. Mitri suggested a basis of Equality, Self Determiantion and Regional Cooperation. Is anyone interested in this line of thought?

Mar. 29 2014 05:55 PM
VJ from Newtown, CT

I just can't understand the HATRED and ANGER in some of these comments. Why can't we have a Mature/legitimate discussion rather than calling someone a LIAR. It seems we are dealing with, unfortunately, CLOSED MINDS AND HEARTS. I fear this is the kind of language and resistance that is displayed towards anyone trying to make a difference.

Mar. 28 2014 12:46 PM
gary

Unfortunately, if Mr. Lehrer does not question blatant lying by his guest (as mentioned by a previous poster), he aids in the promulgation of that lie.

Mar. 28 2014 10:59 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Aristotle never wrote about Muslims or Mohammed or the Koran - since they didn't exist in or prior to his time.

Mar. 28 2014 10:43 AM
Florencia from Hastings

Jesus was not "palestinian" He was jewish, born to JEWISH PARENTS. He was circumcised and lived according to JEWISH law. This priest is outrageous!!!!

Mar. 28 2014 12:17 AM

The non Jewish population of that area no doubt are the descendants of Jews themselves.Though they may be mixed with all subsequent invaders and occupiers. The Zionist settler Jews of todays Israel and all Jews not native to the mid east, today are mixed with the non Jews of Europe and Russian and America and other parts of the world. There is no reason why todays Jews have more of an ancestral claim then non Jews of Palestine/Israel/Judea/ Greater Syria, whatever you want to call that land. Jesus was a Jewish Palestinian/Israelite/Judean/ whatever name you want to give that land .Todays non Jewish "Palestinians" may be descended from original Christian and before that Jews of Jesus time. They have the right to be where they are. A lot more then European, Russian, American settlers do! If I convert to Buddhism my Buddhist off springs of future generations can not claim a right to live where Buddha lived[if that were important to the tenets of Buddhism, say]over the rights of the inhabitants, even if they're not Buddhist, living there already.

Mar. 27 2014 03:05 PM
Saul from Arizona

This geographical region been called Palestine for a long time: Herodotus was writing of PALESTINE around 500 years before Jesus was born; Aristotle wrote of the Dead Sea being in PALESTINE. The context here is that Palestine is a historical name for the land between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean. This name has been attributed to the land until the Western colonization of Palestine in the 20th Century.

Before we close, answer this: Where did the Inca, Aztec, Mayan, and Anasazi Empires flourish? If you said "The Americas," you cannot criticize Raheb using the word "Palestine" to describe the homeland of Jesus. Just as many above have said Palestine was a word constructed by the Romans (which, should by now be thoroughly debunked in the imagination of the radical Zionist by the above paragraph), "America" was a European-constructed word used long after the founding or flourishing of these empires. Hence Raheb is more correct in calling Jesus a Palestinian than we are in calling the aforementioned tribes "Native Americans."

Not to mention, Jesus would have been a Palestinian in heart and spirit fighting against any unjust colonialism, not only Roman colonialism.

Mar. 27 2014 02:27 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Chant this...

From the River to the Sea,
palestine Will Never Be!

Mar. 27 2014 01:40 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Veronica

I lived in ISrael for ten years back in the 1980s and my best friends in BEersheba Israel were Evangelical missionaries, one of who was a convert from Judaism to Christianity and his lovely Tennessean wife. They had 5 Christian children in Israel, all of whom eventually served in the IDF and today all of whom still work and live Christian lives in Israel. Israel probably has more Christian missionaries per square mile than the southern BIble Belt here in the US. In fact, I'm sure of it.

Mar. 27 2014 11:48 AM
NYCitizen from NYC

1. Why is NYC running two anti-Jewish/anti-Israel guests back to back without critical questions from your audience?
2. I was very disappointed that your screeners did not allow any critical questions for President Carter.
3. I am very disappointed that Brian did not ask Carter if he would press Hamas to have an international force between it and Israel to test whether his plan could also work on the West Bank. If you want to understand Israel's relationship with the PA, look to the aggression of Hamas.
4. I am disappointed that Brain did not ask his guests a single critical question. I am also disappoint that neither Carter or the Lutherans were placed in dialogue with Jewish religious guests, perhaps from the American Jewish Committee (who are surprisingly absent from NYC)WHERE IS THE BALANCE?
5. I am disappointed that Brian did not ask his guests if they support organizations for peace and disarmament in Palestine. Are there ANY organizations in Palestinian civil society that are critical of the governments of Hamas and Fatah from the perspective of peace.
6. I am disappointed that Brian did not ask his Lutheran guests what their positions on women's rights and the rights of the LGBTQ. He did not ask them how women and LGBTQ people are treated in Gaza or in the West Bank. We must look to how Palestinian leadership treats women and its Others:the LGBTQ communities, heretics, and political dissenters.

Mar. 27 2014 11:44 AM
Veronica from new york

Refreshing to hear a different side or perspective. I was aware of Christians in Palestine, and their plight to be hear, but didn't know there were evangelists there as well. Hope some day to visit both Israel and Palestine. Maybe someday they'll figure out how to live together.

Mar. 27 2014 11:39 AM
henry from MD

I have to agree with jgarbuz's point. For your guest to usurp the name of the historically known land of Judea by corrupting it with the term "Palestine" that was created by the Romans to obliterate the heritage of Jews and did not exist in Jesus' time - blemishes his credibility and record no matter what other good things he might be thinking or doing.

Mar. 27 2014 11:37 AM
John Cino from Patchogue, NY

Another take on Babel: The story is written from the perspective of a small fringe group living far from the cosmopolitan center. That group interested in maintaining is identity feared the life style of the urban center and created a cautionary tale to dissuade any who might be interested in the big city. Growing up in the suburbs of NY I heard similar stories about that city.

Mar. 27 2014 11:34 AM
sanych

Speaking of Jesus, did not Romans mock him as "King of the Palestinians"???

NOT!

Mar. 27 2014 11:32 AM
Al from Eastchester

The first religions were much experiments, for over the centuries, soul harvesting techniques were perfected. Any religions in general, verbalizes what the culture thinks it's needs at any given time.

Mar. 27 2014 11:30 AM
sanych

If you read a preview of this guy's book, it is one lie upon the other.

The bottom line - Jews are impostors, it is only Paleostinians that are native to Palestine.

Brian, go back to Khazaria ...

Mar. 27 2014 11:28 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Ed

The foreign occupiers of Jewish soil who call themselves "Palestinians" naturally want to overrule and undermine Jewish rights to our Jewish homeland and will use any tactic they can to do try to do that. It's like as if Jews were trying to overthrow rule in Russia or Germany. Israel is the secular, democratic state of the Jewish nation and is also the country all of its citizens both Jewish and non-Jewish. EVery non-Jewish minority in Israel has both the right and the obligation to keep its own culture, religion and schools, as well as full voting and other civil rights even though most are not obligated to serve in the IDF.

Mar. 27 2014 11:27 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Interesting. I don't think that one can read every event in the Bible though in terms of empire/subjugated. It's there, a large motif, but not alone. Still, lots of sources about the empire/subjugated situation.

Tower of Babel - primarily against human effort to try to accomplish things without God.

Mar. 27 2014 11:27 AM
Elaine from Baltimore

More history revisionism.... sorry, Jesus was born in Judea.

Mar. 27 2014 11:24 AM
Cervantes

it's so refreshing, to hear a perspective on religious matters and their interface with society and politics, that doesn't go to negation or fanaticism via default.

Mar. 27 2014 11:23 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Is he going to be there when the pope visits Israel this spring?

Mar. 27 2014 11:21 AM
Nick from UWS

Religion being the problem is the understatement of the millenium. As long as human beings base their lives on delusional systems there will never be peace. Peace is based on reality, not imaginary friends.

Mar. 27 2014 11:20 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Of course ... Jesus was under occupation.
The idea that the Bible is a response to imperial rule, even going back to slavery in Egypt, is an interesting viewpoint, an interesting hermeneutic. But I doubt it's the sole hermeneutic that one can use, primarily the Bible is God's revelation to man.
Jerusalem is the Holy City, of course there is discussion about religion and religions.

Mar. 27 2014 11:19 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Your guest has told a lie. Yeshua ("Jesus") was born as a Jew in the Province of JUDEA, not in "Palestine"as there was no such place in the time of Jesus. The name of the Roman province of Judea was changed to the Province of Syria-Palestina 100 years after the crucifixion of Jesus in 135 AD. So please let us be Christian enough at least not to tell lies.

Mar. 27 2014 11:18 AM
Al from Eastchester, NY

Avoiding Real Jobs for God, that's what this whole preaching and guruing business is ultimately all about, after all, it is definitely the world's second oldest profession.

Mar. 27 2014 11:17 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Wonderful to have a church in Bethlehem!

Mar. 27 2014 11:15 AM
sanych

In each and every generation they rise up against us to destroy us.

Mar. 27 2014 11:07 AM

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