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How Did You Spend Your Holy Week?

Monday, April 21, 2014

With holy weeks ending in Judaism and Christianity, did you observe either holiday through: Reflection? Public action? Prayer? How do you picture God when performing your rituals? Call us at 212-433-9692, that's 212-433-WNYC.

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Comments [34]

Rose Rowland from Cortlandt Manor, NY

I don't see G-d. I feel G-d. I feel that G-d is the structure that holds up my life. My belief in G-d means that my life must mean more than just my own selfish desires. By adhering to Judaism and praying and engaging in the rituals, I am sacrificing my selfish desire to do precisely as I please to the greater good of honoring G-d and maintaining Judaism. The problem with trying to convey what G-d means to a religious person to a person who is not as involved with religion is that without experiencing the feeling of completeness, self-sacrifice and uplift that comes from subliminating your immediate need to the greater good is that they have not experience that feeling. And until you experience it, you never know how wonderful it is and how sad life would be without it. That feeling is a gift from the G-d - it is the absolute knowledge that he exists and he cares.

Apr. 22 2014 12:13 PM

As a Syrian Christian myself[originally my family comes from Aleppo and we go back to the early, first Christians,]I can say like the mystic saint said; "I've been caught in the nets of Christ".God is un derived being, being is good, and we're made in God's image and share in his life. Though the created world is fallen ,we are redeemed, all creation is redeemed by the fact of God's love as manifested in the incarnation. He came to give us life and to give it more abundantly.

Apr. 21 2014 10:44 PM
rose-ellen from jackson heights

It's horrific that we and everyone else ,are allowing the Russian backed Assad regime to commit a holocaust against Sunni Syrians. And the Christians are siding with a brutal regime because, well "he's good to Christians". When this regime is torturing and murdering men, women and children en masse, the argument that "he's good to Christians", is unethical. They are collaborating with a holocaust. The assad regime is secular,the so called alqauda coming in from outside are the only ones helping the sunni people who are being anilhilated by a Stalinist like purge. Alquada is now synonymous with sunni and a genocide of sunnis is taking place in Syria as we stand by and allow it!
Plenty of horrific crimes take place everywhere, every day, including here. All killings if not in self defense, are "honor killings. "Give them 21st century weapons they'll do it our way, from a distance. How many people including children got burned to death this weekend with our drone attack? Some of them are fundamentalists and have backwards morals but being backward does not make you evil, it makes you backwards. It does not give us a right to kill them. Backward people have the right to life too.

Apr. 21 2014 10:26 PM
mike from long island

i have a few questions. why did God choose to show himself, and all his supposed power, the son of God, and all that other stuff, at the point in our history when we were the most vulnerable and frightened? no sign of anything from him as we became more aware of our physical surroundings. no fear of thunder, wind, lightning and all the things god is supposedly responsible for.

why is an earthquake that kills thousand of people not gods fault, but one baby survives in the rubble, and its a miracle??

god is like the boss from hell. everything good is because of him, everything bad is out fault. our supposed " free will" .

how can believers tell you with absolute certainty the " truth", but ask them one sensible question and they say " thats one of gods mysteries".

christianity is like a mafia protection racket. they come to your store and tell you that for money, they can protect you from fires, vandalism, etc . if you dont pay, they are the ones doing the damage. god says believe in me, and i'll save you from hell, and PS , if you dont, i'm the one putting you there. are you kidding??

i also liken it to the way pedophiles operate. pedophiles seek out the vulnerable, and build up a relationship where the victim feels soothed, then wham!! christianity is the same thing, its designed to make you feel bad about yourself. first you hear how it will make all your troubles go away. no friends? jesus is your friend. oh, you have friends? jesus will heal your marriage. happily married? oh, jesus will solve your financial problems. got a good job,no worries? then PS- you are going to hell. original sin?? a minute old baby is already condemded? how low can you sink to suck someone in ???

as we got smarter, the message changes. less superstition, more psycological pressure. now they have the nerve to bend their creation nonsence into " creative design" ? what a joke.

heaven is the greatest place every . use your wildest imagination, and you can only scratch the surface of how awesome it is. hell? use your wildest imagination, and you can only scratch the surface of how awful it is. when someone tell you one thing is super awesome, the alternative super terrible, you know its BS.

the devil?? the best way to get people to worship you is to create a common enemy. its right out of the playbook. every dictator, maniac, and lowlife has done it, all thru history.

its all about control. control peoples fears, and you control them. control equals money and power. its always about money.

finally, whet makes us so self important that we have to believe we move on after death? we need to believe it so bad we make up the biggest nonsense story in human history, to the point we are willing to kill???

it makes me very sad.

Apr. 21 2014 07:14 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

rosee-ellen from jackson heights

Apr. 21 2014 10:36 AM

"We were not attacked on 9-11 over religion.We were attacked as retaliation "for our unjust policies in their homelands; contrary to our self serving view of ourselves, we were not minding our own business on that glorious Sept. morn."

"glorious Sept. morn."

Glorious weather or glorious deaths of 3,000?

Which is it rose-ellen?

Apr. 21 2014 01:16 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

rosee-ellen from jackson heights said:

"We were not attacked on 9-11 over religion.We were attacked as retaliation for our unjust policies in their homelands;"

Thanks for the simple explanation for...
- 135,000+ dead in Syria, Arabs/Muslims killing Arabs/Muslim
- Sunni/Shiite bloodbaths
- 8 year Iraq/Iran war
- Sadaam Husseins used of poison gas, a WMD, on the Kurds of Halabja Iraq
- beheading of captives like WSJ journalist Daniel Pearl
- bombing of passenger plane Pan Am 103
- bombing of London transport on 7/7/05
- honor killings of girls over "family honor"
- Taliban shooting of girls in the head for wanting an education (Malala)
- Cutting off the nose of a girl - pictured on the cover of Time Magazine
- oppression of Coptic Christians in Egypt
- bombing of churches in Nigeria
- Mumbai India massacre
- Nairobi mall massacre
- Taliban destruction of the two 1,5000 year old Buddahs of Bamiyan Afghanistan

Thanks for your pearls of "wisdom" rose-ellen of Jihad-Heights!

Apr. 21 2014 12:27 PM
lizzy from NYC

Brian--- Are you planning on having an atheist, or agnostic, non-believer spend time speaking about what the past week means to them? This family meeting may be interesting, but it is uneven, and I am getting annoyed with the imbalance. Really disappointed thus far.

Apr. 21 2014 11:53 AM
Robert from NYC

Well, BL producer, you've removed comments that you feel are inappropriate for some reason or other and, since I'm only following comments page and not listening to this stuff today, I will assume that most of those comments were from non-religious folk who might offend you religious folk. Has it ever occurred to you, Ms/Mr produced that many, MANY non-religious folk are offended when confronted by the religious ones? Do you think we are not offended and badly so, by all the religious chatter that we're not concerned with. Much if not most religions condemn, and to hell and fire LOL sometimes our life styles or thoughts, the way we live our lives that do no real harm to others. It is often the religious who offend more than the non-religious. WE do not make the claims to be "the chosen" or "the saved' thru our faith. We live moral (maybe not fully) lives based, yes, sometimes on the same tenets of your religions but where did they get these tenets! Remember god is an invention of man and there is absolutely no proof otherwise. You believe in god because you want/need to have that to hold onto and blame when convenient. So get off our backs.

Apr. 21 2014 11:42 AM
Katherine Profeta from NYC

I love this show today. The last few speakers have intensely recalled to me the William James work, "On the Varieties of Religious Experience." I don't know if you mentioned this before because I was away from my radio for a spell, but when people describe their more mystical experiences with God, it takes me right back to the case studies in that book.

(I know some of them well because my theater company, Elevator Repair Service, did a show called Room Tone using some of those case studies as monologues... One of the most moving shows we ever worked on, in my opinion.)

Apr. 21 2014 11:17 AM
Frank from NYC


If I was sitting next to any of these callers on a bus, and they started telling me about these so called mystical experiences, I'd get up and change my seat.

Apr. 21 2014 11:15 AM
deena davis from New Rochelle

Enjoying the discussion about religion on your show this morning. Just want to point out that you are missing an important part of your audience. Jews observing the last two days of Passover are in synagogue right now and therefore cannot participate in the discussion.

I always find it intriguing that passover and easter coincide. After all, Jesus was Jewish, and if we look deep enough I think we can find much more that unites us as humans than marks differences.

Apr. 21 2014 11:09 AM
bernie from bklyn

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Apr. 21 2014 10:41 AM
Mace from NYC

Macy's was closed on Easter Sunday - THE Macy's on 34th street closed on Easter Sunday.
So many people [tourists+NYers] were bummed out they couldn't go on a spending spree and consume and go shop-'till-you-drop, and spend and buy and purchase and chase after the next shiny object...
I'm glad Macys put religion above money making [for once].
The customers locked out of the store weren't so pleased and the New Yorkers among them were shocked Macy's closed. Macy's kept their wi-fi on though ;)

Apr. 21 2014 10:40 AM
rosee-ellen from jackson heights

We were not attacked on 9-11 over religion.We were attacked as retaliation for our unjust policies in their homelands; contrary to our self serving view of ourselves, we were not minding our own business on that glorious Sept. morn. These people were not even all Muslim fundamentalists as Osama himself was not. He supported the uprisings against all dictators and saw himself as a freedom fighter who did not start this war.We did with our meddling and propping up dictators for our benefits at the peoples expense. Since their primary identification is as Muslims they see our unjust meddling as harming Muslim people. Hence as a war against Muslims. Religion was/is not the issue but politics. THAT is not as palatable as the view that they are irrational and suddenly could not abide that fact that the US is not all Muslim. The reality is that they gave us blowback for our policies in their homelands. They brought us to the knowledge that there could be consequences to US for our policies towards THEM. How dare they! Didn't God tell these people that when we kill we're good but when they kill us they're evil?
They upset the balance of power and it is THAT ,not our valuing of human life, that angered us! The reality of blowback is unpalatable but the label of "irrational religious fanatics" gets us off the hook! And the boston marathon bombing was like wise NOT because we dare to not be Muslim but precisely as retaliation for all the Muslim people who were killed or had their arms and legs blown off by us! That to is unpalatable cause it means we are not innocent ourselves, though the victims are. Wonder if these victims feel a common bond with all the Muslims whose limbs are missing due to our attacks? Too bad our false narrative suppresses and denies such contemplation and acknowledgement of blowback!

Apr. 21 2014 10:36 AM
fuva from harlemworld

I'm looking for a "religion" that emphasizes information, informed civism, self-control/humility and effort exertion, given how important these are to the realization of justice today.

Apr. 21 2014 10:32 AM
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Apr. 21 2014 10:32 AM
anne from ny

ALL religion is a form of mental illness (delusion/AMA), the cause of war, pollution and discrimination, however I will celebrate any holiday that features gifts, good food and/or decorations.

Apr. 21 2014 10:30 AM
fuva from harlemworld

I'm not Christian and have no organized religion, but I find this conversation intellectually interesting.

Apr. 21 2014 10:28 AM
MikeInBK from Clinton Hill

I wonder if I go to the corner and say "Look at me and you will have seen God.", whether I will gain a throng of followers or attract the attention of the mental health services? Shouldn't then similar existential associative claims not raise suspicious feelings and elicit a sense of absurdity?

Apr. 21 2014 10:21 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Mike from Manhattan --- LOL! I hear ya.

Apr. 21 2014 10:18 AM
bernie from bklyn

a couple of gems-
brian- "how would you rate god?"

one of the many moronic callers- " the difference between truth and fact is the same as the difference between poetry and prose" oh, really? ha!! did you all hear that?

"my creator loves me!" ME,ME,ME,ME,ME,ME. sick, sick people.

Apr. 21 2014 10:18 AM
Sue from On the globe

Caller Alan, I can't believe you said this -- you need an enforcer to make you do the right thing?

We were raised to do the right thing because it's the correct way to behave.

I'm grateful for my upbringing. I don't need the threat of punishment to make me "good"; I'm sufficiently self-possessed to behave appropriately toward others just because it's the right thing to do.

Apr. 21 2014 10:16 AM
Mike from Manhattan

Respectfully, I'm an atheist anxiously waiting for B&H to open back up.

Apr. 21 2014 10:15 AM
fuva from harlemworld

If Christians see Jesus when they see God, do they see Michelangelo's nephew or the image of a semite in the Middle East 2150 years ago?

Apr. 21 2014 10:14 AM
Robert from Mercer County, NJ

Scientific discoveries about evolution and the history of the universe call the existence of God into question. So does the amount of pain that good people have to experience.
To me, the development of religion was perhaps the greatest advance of humankind, but we are now at the time when we can be ethical and do right without there being a God.
Nevertheless, the study of religious texts remains useful. Our task is to bring out the goodness of man on earth.

Apr. 21 2014 10:13 AM
paulb from Brooklyn

"One day affair"? If only! It's 365/24/7 with religion in the U.S. TRY to find any real historical information about the Jews' life in Egypt, the circumstances of life in the middle east, the actual events behind the exodus legend. Did you watch any of Schama's Jewish show? It's all the same old myths regurgitated and fancied up in pseudo-scholarship smothered with piety. There's nothing real there at all. It's as if Greek's got together every year to celebrate the victory over Troy based on what they read in The Iliad.

Apr. 21 2014 10:11 AM
dan k from Park Slope

Can you please ask believer What, if there is a God, was its reason for creating the universe and us? Why would there be a God? And why hide its identity and evidence of its existence?

It seems to me that if you start there, the only way to see the anthropomorphized God of the theists, is as either a bored, cruel, or seriously flawed, child-like being. Why else would it have created us, with all the possibilities of evil, famine, drought, disease, etc.? Seems pretty mean to me, and thus, even if it did exist, I wouldn't give it any thanks.

Apr. 21 2014 10:11 AM
Robert from NYC

Cardinal Dolan?! Really? That hider of pedophiles gets the respect of a platform? I can't believe a whole 2 hour show is dedicated to man's creation, god!

Apr. 21 2014 10:10 AM

TurtleDOVE. Turtledove.

Apr. 21 2014 10:10 AM
Frank from NY

Ostentatious religious displays

I understand that around 9 million children before the age of 5 die each year around the world. And I imagine most of their parents prayed, begged, and beseeched their god to save their precious child, and the answer they received is NO. Nonetheless, we see baseball players and other sports players and others make ostentatious public displays praying for a home run or a touch down, or some other nonsense, etc.

I, for one, find these displays obnoxious. If I was a believer, and I'm not, I would suggest that people not tie up the lines with these silly requests.

Apr. 21 2014 10:08 AM
oscar from ny

I'm finding out that there are many of my friends and family members loosing their religion.. Its almost like they get angry if I mention Jesus or god ...hmm meanwhile my faith grows stronger by the day..the holy spirit is with me

Apr. 21 2014 10:03 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Oops, 'Liturgy'. And it's true for all faiths, it's about communion with God.

Apr. 21 2014 09:35 AM
Ed from Larchmont

To call these 'rituals' though is an atheist's view, carried out rote steps, but these are events of prayer and intimate communion with God, iturgy.

Apr. 21 2014 09:13 AM
Ed from Larchmont

From Thursday to Sunday, including tenebrae, there were ten events, I made eight of them, all beautiful, all different. (Thursday - the Eucharist, Friday - the Cross, Saturday - the dead, Sunday the Resurrection.)

How to picture God? Not an image of God, but God in Himself? As Scripture tells us, 'God is Spirit', so there is no image of God. But God is not an anonymous force, but a Person, three Persons, one God, three Persons. And one of these Persons took on a human nature, becoming the God-Man, Jesus Christ.

And we know what the God-man looks like. (Would God become man and not leave us a picture until He returns?) The pictures He left are the Shroud of Turin (the most scientifically studied cloth in world history), and the Veil of Manopello (which is a post-Resurrection picture), from the two cloths left in the tomb.

And now we have the approximate Divine Mercy images given to St. Faustyna, Divine Mercy Sunday is this Sunday, with the canonization of Pope John and Pope John Paul II, wonderful.

Apr. 21 2014 08:57 AM

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