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Mavin Sleeper hosts.
Dr. Jacob Zeiner, Assistant Commissioner of Health for the City of New York, answers questions about Salk Vaccine problems.
Panelists: Lawrence Barrett, Douglas Kreiger, Martin Birmingham, and Fred Harrison.
How permanent is the vaccine? How will the city pass out the vaccine to those who can't afford it? All children in the 1st and 2nd grade, and some in 3rd and 4th grade have been immunized. The dosage has been reduced to two doses from three. People should still maintain the same precautions; even Dr. Salk doesn't proclaim 100% immunity. Possibility of a black market for the vaccine. The vaccine should not be federally controlled. Should infants be immunized? Booster dose.
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How permanent is the immunity given by Salk vaccine the city cleared to provide free vaccine for those who can't afford to pay for it do you favor government control of the vaccine how will the family doctors get the vaccine for the answers to these and other questions listen now to campus press conference or transcribed program in which college editors interview a prominent personalities in the new age here to introduce today's panel and our guest is your moderator Marvins lever reporter for The New York Journal America Good afternoon and welcome to another edition of campus press conference today our guest is the assistant commissioner of health of the city of New York Dr Jacobs minor is also an associate professor of pediatrics at the N.Y.U. Medical School panel today is comprised of Lawrence Barrett of the Washington Square College Douglas Krieger of Brooklyn College Martin Birmingham of New York University and Fred Harrison C.C.N.Y. I now for the first question from Lawrence bad doctor how permanent is the immunity given by Salk vaccine it is too soon to predict how permanent the I'm going to be we can say however that this and most of doses given seven months following the National Immunization team you know that the last for quite a while. How long they've been conducting experiments on this vaccine the large experiment was conducted as you probably know you in the past year however not the sockets on many previous experiments small it's been well was there any test on the longevity of the how long the sermon the last time well you can test it on Saturday before a long time elapsed. And then it's just about this year period is all I know about so far correct. Is this serum easily produced or does it take a involved process that might hold them since they are very involved process it's not easily produce. Is the shortage that now exists is that going to be permanent or will that be alleviated after a period I'm certain that it will be alleviated after a period and that with time there be an ample supply of the vaccine available you may recall that any new drug castigating Take for instance Benon Sevan are the age and such similar drugs which are hard to manufacture wire process sees before so at least to the public for safe use Dr How should parents in New York City obtain the vaccine for the children parents want to tame the vaccine through their possessions through treatment agencies and they have no private doctors will this vaccine be given to cost and what about the people who can't pay for it how are they going to work in the medical society requested that physicians pass and visit to charge at cost. Price. Of the vaccine and then naturally follow that regular office visits and what is the cost of the vaccine Dr when the approximately four dollars twenty minutes age another child just but I'm speaking now of just the cost of the vaccine at additional charges will be naturally the cost of the doctor's visits. Well there will this cost go down as Mars produced while I am not a caustic captain and I don't want to predict about cost but I can safely say that with time and definitely the cost that a manufacturer will decrease the cost of the vaccine will naturally decrease her vibrato who groups the doctors groups got together and sort of decided what the fair price would be to charge for an articulation of a child I believe possessions on the hall thinking five people being a doctor myself. Blackfire selves and I do not believe that any of them will track a profiteer found this venture not believe that they will charge excessive costs every patient knows just exactly how much they paid staff positions for an office visit and they will merely have to pay the additional cost of the vaccine all Dr in that respect do you feel that it should be about the same price as one a mother takes a child to the doctor for say shot of penicillin to stop secondary infection should have the vat the same with that be a sort of a yardstick of what I feel should be I will not get as of the cost beyond saying that it will be approximately the cost of his regular office visit last four dollars so far and I have dollars about the cost of the vaccine wait she is I think the OP and if the question is quite appropriate it was probably would be a box medley that well out of an office versus three dollars the the. Cost her and now you are making the price of an office visit That's the usual price that a certain A can pays and or if it's five dollars or for that two dollars that would be the same price in other words he shouldn't vary it too much from what their regular visit for a penicillin would be. Well let's not confuse the issue and I believe it's fair to say and I don't want to talk too much about cost I think we have settled that a cost will be a facsimile and able to four dollars and it cost that there's a patient knows what they pay provisions are that good how long after the shock given immunity in effect Dr. Fine question in the on a partial immunity will be obtained. Pretty so on that within a month or six weeks or two months and when is it the quality of these in the pink color you season varies with localities in the our city as you know it's in August September last year for instance we had a large number of cases even in October and November but children should be immunized by July the children should preferably be immunized by July how many children do you estimate these in the city schools will have em united by July last far we have completed plans to immunized all children in the first and second grade and also the children into six test districts in the third and fourth grade which means a total of about two hundred and eighty thousand children and we hope to finish them at the same thing as Asians the faux school closers which is prior to June thirtieth we hope to finish it perhaps owner has a vaccine been allocated to New York City directly to the National Foundation for and some time for our service made available to them during our city the pattern of how some tension vaccine to inoculate at least groups which I've just mentioned. That adults age is being reduced to two C. seemed to those as instead of three. It will make it possible for his apartment if the National Foundation gives us the same amount of vaccine we still originally wanted to do our bigger than getting us to inoculate an additional number of children and why was that dusty three do's because the doctor saw and the other scientists found that too tells us to give sufficient immunity and that isn't that tall and you your that happens all the time I remember with regards to the ferrying in as agents for instance we very started with his essay attack side three tells us forget then and you do taxation studies that if you study the blood for the amount of antibodies you'll find that you can produce a sufficient amount of then invited them for immunity with two doses and naturally Why stick a child three times going to do it twice though I like unnecessary shots and especially AIDS Day and said very happy circumstance in this case since the supply is so limited that will naturally provide an additional supply to him in a small children that's certainly your doctor do you think that eventually. The soft vaccine will be is affective as potent for polio as the vaccines for diptheria and smallpox of proof. Where hope so we know that this year's. Preparation is more effective than last year's preparation and as we gain experience a product becomes more effective only time will tell. The doctor would you advise the original Yorker to maintain the precautions that he's taken against. Infection polio infection in the past such as the staying out of crowded places during the summer avoiding overexposure and that's an excellent question that may lead you brought it up I think that by all means they should still maintain the same but cautions doctors saw doesn't blame sending unity a family about sixty to seventy percent in the. Now and then show me why. By all means take every precaution I think it's polishing themselves to the dangers of you. God rest of the immunity which is available at the passion time as a department afraid that there will be a certain amount of laxity not a quick vaccine has been developed and as a result. Well during the first year or so in fact he may not have been proved effective in this because people are taking less precaution as they had in the past I personally don't think that is there's quite a hash that the Department of Health. Show you. And motivating people not to relax on any precautions with their family on the other hand a little as. Everyone possible on the dangers of polio and and in need to pay the necessary precautions we've been hearing a lot about the possibility of a black market in the vaccine is the health department concerning itself with this possibility that the pharmacy science itself with every possibility which affects their health and well people. Have that part. Fishley doesn't think I believe that it is going to be a black market I mean. Possessions and. Human beings and they aren't. Black marketeers the largest percentage. Of the outside of perhaps a very very small number. That they would not try to pass to tear them such a wonderful product which may mean savings up the lives of many what do you think of federal regulation of the distribution of the vaccine. In the Navy and I think a lot of the federal government but I do not believe in federal control I believe in self control and I believe perhaps in local control I think that doctors want to hold us as just a nice people and I also think that medical societies. Are the finest in the land and that we can leave it to the organized medical profession. To ensure the control and it's best possible use. And I don't believe that we ought to resort to the federal government controls however whatever the federal government willing to do is OK with me is that the official position of your department this is my official position and I haven't spoken to my boss for about an hour. So I can tell the official position of the five men but no doubt they're violent as I do I believe that would be hard to stand on that I resorted oppresses quoted a group of four Canadian doctors as saying that nine hundred fifty four it would be a quote severe polio year do you have any department have any evidence to support this or this crime at the or is there no way of telling at the present time they bought another house is not as prophetically inclined. They are Canadian. And a New York City I believe we cannot prognosticate far the middle of July whether this is going to be a heavy air on epidemic or not I would like my Canadian friends to tell me a lot for me and I They used to have in Naperville that there is going to be heavy year this would help us greatly Are there any signs you can look for I don't understand your question I mean looking for an ape Are there any sort of things that might indicate when I don't know that doctors your department planning any future educational program to teach the people how to get the best results out of the Salk vaccine the best educational method of. Planning and a plan as Don has always done is to tell people at all times Watters to do the various circumstances at a personal time where the supply as limited as it is it is most important I believe and I'm sure that the fact I believe. And I'm sure the commissioner stated many times that he would be used most appropriately and for a group which is most in need of it and I believe that parents ought to be requested not to stem not to rush to their lessons for an activation of all groups at the first possible moment as I said to be far it is possible to get immunity even if you immunized during May and June and possibly July for this year's season and that it's no use to rush to the doctor I think your child Amy and I just leave it to you all as ition cool to tell you when your child may be immunized by hand who Dr your department is issued a list of six priority classes and which. People foreigners will be immunized are depending on the amount the serum of ala Bill your basis or is this these classes established I believe that you are misquoting the level that are my friend at times reporter misquoted I as I. Have bought ten minutes ago when I arrived there that apartment has not officially yet established biology unless we actually realize and what I've said basically. We want to make sure our that is given to the globe's most. And priority list of priorities I need it I don't medical societies and my medical and scientific bodies working on this question right now we want to be sure that we use the way that when. We haven't yet established a list we can you whose fault vaccine will always give it lead me to the goals which will be most in need of it have a little profit has there been any provision to give it to let children in private school we make no distinction and it's a part of how far school children are concerned and the groups which I mentioned included probably rocking and private and the fact of how services we aren't used to exclude groups well more blind to include folks we don't have any means in our solar system the child house patients Mr Rockefeller life will bring these if he so wishes. Why deprive the rich. Dr I notice that adults of sort of been put on the AS last on the part priority list is it absolutely necessary for adults eventually when there's enough vaccine to be inoculated bust me don't believe it's absolutely necessary for us to become an accolade except certain groups of adults for instance a letter say doctors who work with all your patients or nurses who are constantly with all your patients so attendants and so on are haps of supply especially available also pregnant women in where the rest of folly is probably greater than in the same a school. Is not pregnant. Automatically is believed that by the time we reach adulthood that perhaps with family contact was sufficient polio virus to get some immunity what we call natural immunity but Dr haven't many adults died of. Polio manually bulbar. When you say ninety going insane many Well actually I mean every death should be prevented and no excuse for anyone to die for my disease varies immunity possible Charlie but I think when I supply is limited as I said before we bow to use it for the most part the Globes are needed. Elsewhere may be most effective and these sales children stink as well I qualify that after we have ample supply would you recommend that adults get the shot. I would want to qualify it by saying certain groups of adults who made a profit from it most by that not every adult is in need to be immunized against polio at this time we must remember that. Time goes on and we get more that Exene maulvi children will become even