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Donald Sterling Is Out. Now What?

Wednesday, April 30, 2014

The NBA banned Clippers owner Donald Sterling for life and is working to remove him as owner after his racist remarks were caught on tape. Wesley Morris of Grantland discusses the decision, why it took this long to punish Sterling, and what it means.

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Wesley Morris

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Ridiculous segment


Brian you have made an effort over years to be a reporter and journalist as opposed to just another milquetoast a PC policeman passing or insinuating professional and legal indictment over a personal conversation!

For all we know, that corpse of an owner may have said a sentence following that puts the whole thing into an entirely different context! The intelligent reporter would be standing up for the old rich guy until there are ANY facts or context. I would never have that convo -- but who the F*CK KNOWS what he had in his mind when he said that?

And you two are such Vics! Nuff said but two nice Jewish boys like you best walk the straight and narrow…

I mean, Whose boots are we even trying to lick here, your "please call us again" crowd?

You have a lot of comments, but in this case that is anything but the measure of a good segment.

Apr. 30 2014 02:28 PM
PJ from Bk

This faux outrage and "love" for blk people is sickening. The concern about black people is very selective. BL show supports homosexual blk ppl in Uganda, hangs up on them when they complain about gentrification. If people care so much about blk pols welfare the how is there no mention of the other points Sterling made that blk people are treated horribly in Israel. Blk pppl should investigate and report. Of course BL can't or won't do it for obvious reason. His "love" for blk ppl has limits

Apr. 30 2014 01:41 PM
Owen from NYC

not to defend what Sterling said, but I think it's all too convenient when the racism is coming from the mouth of a white person directed at a black person.
That's safe racism. We're used to it. It's comfortable.
I work in an office where people are predominantly black and can say that there is no such thing as a post-racial america. My office is alive with race and racism but towards white people.
I wish I were in some BS dispute with someone around here so I could secretly tape them speaking about white people. The issue of racism is broad and doesn't stop with 'evil' 'stupid' white people. It flies in all directions. It's bigger and a lot more uglier than anyone wants to own up to.
This conversation on the BL show is akin to child talk on racism in usa.

Apr. 30 2014 12:24 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

fuva from harlemworld said:

"And please don't ever address me again."

Keep dreaming comrade fuva.

This is America, not "harlemworld".

Apr. 30 2014 12:17 PM
Red from Brooklyn from Westchester

Brian said that Sterling had created a "hostile work environment." How? He has a majority (if not totally) black team, and went further in hiring a black coach. I have heard nothing about Sterling interfering with decisions regarding personnel or how the team was run (like some other team owners, a/k/a Steinbrenner). I make no apology for what he said, which definitely had racial (but more accurately paternalistic) overtones, but I personally find what that rancher out in Nevada (Bundy?)said about blacks being better off under slavery much more racist. Sterling at least "hired" and paid his black personnel well and his operation contributes to the well-being of society (i.e. through taxes and philanthropy), while Bundy has been feeding at the public trough while refusing to pay his "share" to society (rent due and owing to the owner of the land he has been grazing his cattle on, the Federal government). Yet despite this, I find the tone of this show and other public commentators to have largely forgotten or minimized what Bundy said while expessing much greater outrage at the private thoughts and attidtudes of an elderly man who grew up in a much different time.

Apr. 30 2014 12:15 PM
Civil Society?

I am appalled, sad and fearful about the reax of many people to Silver's statement and what their opinions say about us as a country. I briefly sampled comments on the Yahoo news site (where I first heard of NBA decision), e.g.:
* Bemoaning lack of "freedom of speech" for Sterling. (This isn't the govt shutting him up and his remarks didn't break any laws--no one is claiming that. This is about the marketplace/business/sport acting ethically, using - belatedly - its own rules/powers to punish him);
* Skewering his gf and her ethics. (This isn't about her, folks. That's another issue, complex and layered, and does involve poss. Illegal taping. But hey, it certainly unleashes the just-under-the-surface misogynist and abusive attitudes toward this woman and women in general);
* Poor guy's privacy's been invaded, horrors! (Some people equate this with govt snooping, making allusions to U.S. Becoming a Soviet-style police state.) This isn't about larger privacy issues, really. It just confirms his long rep of racism, discrim, etc. This is more along the lines of finding out that a religious leader who preached monogamy, trad. family values who's found out to be cheating on his wife.)

To emphasize these issues more than Sterling's grotesque racism and long history of bigotry and discrimination is incomprehensible to me. Would/have these same folks react/reacted to similarly "outed" behaviors of celebrities and nat'l leaders when the subject wasn't racism? I doubt it.

Apr. 30 2014 12:14 PM
fuva from harlemworld

Correction -- Edward from Washington HEIGHTS...

Apr. 30 2014 12:08 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Sheldon

All I'm saying is that people are people everywhere and nobody is inherently better or worse than anyone else. No group is inherently better, and no group is inherently worse. Of course, education helps improve peoples' understanding as well as making people more introspective to be able to recognize their own flaws and shortcomings. But in general, our species has not evolved in thousands of years, but we have improved technologically and in terms of wider education, but that does not necessarily that we are morally any superior then our ancestors. Hillel and Jesus and Buddha and Zoroaster and other philosophers had good things to say many centuries ago that are just as applicable to what Martin Luther King said not that many years ago.

Apr. 30 2014 12:06 PM
fuva from harlemworld

Edward from Washington, why would it be too intellectually taxing? And please don't ever address me again.

jgarbuz, why is it significant that you point out that they "didn't even know what a spoon or fork were used for, and had never seen an electric switch or a toilet"? Does it indicate something about their inherent capabilities or the value of Ethiopian culture? Should it be a surprise or something that they have become western doctors, etc.? What do you know about their indigenous culture and its technologies?...My point is that such statements are loaded with assumptions and value judgments, that underlie Donald Sterling's degeneracy and race terror, because we don't understand how different cultures came to develop differently. We fill these substantial, consequential gaps in our knowledge with nonsense, and it's dangerous.

And, of course, because a subset of black Israeli immigrants were able to transcend structural barriers does not excuse us from addressing the unjust structural and other barriers.

Apr. 30 2014 12:04 PM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Ah JG, your paternalism is suffocating: You know what's best for black jews and you can speak on how well they are treated in Israel. Next, you are going to tell us that Sephardic Jews can be prime minister anytime they want.

Apr. 30 2014 11:48 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Fuva

I sure as heck don't know what you're saying. LEt me put it to you flat out, that the black Jewish immigrants to Israel were given infinitely better care than I was when I emigrated to Israel, okay? But is there racism among Israeli Jews? Sure. There is some latent prejudice about Ashkenazi Jews vs Mizrachi (Oriental) and Sephardic Jews, and vice versa. Just as in the US you have biases amongst whites Christians, hispanic Christians, black Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus and on and on and on. The same exists in ISrael amongst all of the 143 different Jewish ethnicities, as well between seculars versus orthodox, and so on and so forth. There is always a reason to resent and hate someone else.

Apr. 30 2014 11:46 AM

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Apr. 30 2014 11:45 AM
Roy from Queens

"KJ Walters from Monroe, NY

A caller compared this to Stalinism, but it is more like Orwell's 1984. In America, we shouldn't be punishing thought crime, which is what this is.

Matters such as the structure of the NBA are beside the point, as they have always been there for anyone to see and to deal with.

But punishing a man for his private thoughts is wrong. It is not illegal to be a racist. To me he is Schindler, whose heart was not pure either--but so what?"

But who's punishing him? The United States Government? Hell no.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." (wish more American would read this)

The NBA is a publicly-visible yet privately owned organization, and if anyone in their organization does/say something that ruins their reputation, they have the right to admonish that person. Sterling has the right to be a jerk, but not when he's in charge of something that benefits society (i.e sports entertainment).

Apr. 30 2014 11:44 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

fuva from harlemworld,

If jgarbuz is so wrong, why not give a top 5 examples of how he is wrong.

Or is that too intellectually taxing for you?

Apr. 30 2014 11:35 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Good example, jgarbuz:
When you say the Ethiopian Jews "didn't even know what a spoon or fork were used for, and had never seen an electric switch or a toilet before they were brought to Israel, today are engineers, doctors, lawyers and ministers in the knesset.", you 1) think you're saying something and 2) don't know what you're saying.
The unawareness in such statements poses as big, if not a bigger challenge today than Donald Sterling's type of ignorance.

Apr. 30 2014 11:31 AM
Spitting Devil from Spuyten Duyvil

The sports writer who thinks that it is offensive, structurally racist and plantation like to have white owners of teams with majority black players…what it is he thinks would work? If you play out his (sophomoric class/race/gender) analysis it becomes clear that avoiding the 'plantation structure,' requires that whites not be allowed to own teams with black players. So, only black men and women with the money for it should own those teams. But, since white owners hire so many black players because they tend to be more talented, the teams they will be able to build with majority or only white players will not be as good as the black teams. In fact, they should probably compete in separate leagues, for fairness's sake. Which brings us back to segregation. Which is certainly a neater solution, if you care about these pseudo-intellectual structural aesthetics of this business. Integration is much messier, as reality in general tends to be.

Apr. 30 2014 11:29 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

"Sterling" also slandered Israel because I lived in Beersheba when the tens of thousands of black Ethiopian Jews were brought in to live there, and if anything the Israelis bent over backwards to make them feel better than any other immigrant group Which is not to say there aren't racist Israelis. The liberals there are just like the liberals here, phoney to the core. But today Ethiopian Jews in Israel who didn't even know what a spoon or fork were used for, and had never seen an electric switch or a toilet before they were brought to Israel, today are engineers, doctors, lawyers and ministers in the knesset.

Apr. 30 2014 11:17 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

The GREAT Chris Rock on Black Racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkwB76o-3Go

Apr. 30 2014 11:11 AM

In a secular free democracy where free speech is protected, that includes bigoted speech. If and until our laws change, bigotry IS a right. As the ACLU knows.It's one thing to pass laws governing speech in a work place and public space and media but to be FINED by a company for any comments made in a private conversation is a disturbing abridgment of ones freedom. People should have the right to their beliefs and their speech without fear of being fined by a corporation for expressing them privately. These self righteous hypocrites, who knew he was a plantation style bigot and played his game, had no problem with it as they were on the gravy train. Now because he's publically exposed, the gravy train stops and they run cause they HAVE to. The NAACP had no problem taking this slave- master- mentality- bigots' money and even HONORING him; the players, other owners knew he was a bigot and the media did not expose it either. Now they run cause otherwise they'll be tainted with the same plantation brush; whores[NAACP], uncle tom's [players] or racists themselves[other owners, the media and the public]. They all got caught ,that's all.

Apr. 30 2014 11:00 AM
Tonia Mohammed from NYC

I find it interesting that American media is leaving a crucial part of the racial rant out. The part where Sterling uses Israel's racism as an excuse for his.

Apr. 30 2014 10:59 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@Gregory from the Bronx, are you saying that only liberals denounced: Donald Sterling, Al Campanis and Jimmy the Greek, and you and conservatives agreed with their views?

Apr. 30 2014 10:54 AM
Edward from NJ

There's no first amendment issue here -- the government isn't doing anything. A person got caught saying horrible things. People who probably already knew he was a horrible person and are no longer able to keep their heads in the sand. The consequence? He's being kicked out of his private club for millionaires. That's all.

Apr. 30 2014 10:53 AM
oscar from ny

That's what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you ..these white folks are gonna hafta learn that the shadow they've inherited is because of all the injustices and crimes their ancestors committed against the black race..

Apr. 30 2014 10:52 AM

What caller Diane, and others don't understand about Sterlings comments is he was not tricked into saying those things or being recorded- he in fact records thousands of hours of conversation in order to document his business dealings, or so he says. Yes it's a good way to refer back to an issue if truly needed to but raises the question did he do so legally, with others consent? Clearly real life will eventually spill over and other things will be said and recorded. He's doing worse than whatever the NSA could do by this act- by infringing on others privacy. Even if he never had plans to share the recordings with anyone, it's still deeply unethical on the face of it.

The fact his MISTRESS knew about it, and cleverly used it again him, is almost a secondary issue. Seems like the gold digger just wised up finally and started thinking like him- business first, make money, act with impunity within reason. Hard to judge that given the vast scope of the relationship he had with her and his wife- who could not be such an idiot living in a bubble she didn't know about the mistress' two Bentley car gifts, that she was often seen with Sterling in public where there was no question who she was. Repugnant yes, but that's besides the point.

My dear friends mother has been in a long term relationship with a creepy, racist guy very similar to Sterling, but a hardcore sociopath type, controlling, a crook, manipulative, etc. He's always crowing what a stand up guy he is, honest and trustworthy- yet has been recording his phone calls for decades, is very suspicious and conniving. When a disagreement or problem arises or he just is in a foul mood and wants to stir it up he states how such & such is wrong, they're lying, they didn't say that or promises this because "I have it recorded!", then actually will go as far as list the date and time... total whack job. Just a matter of time before his nightmarish game is turned on him and his sand castle is crushed.

Apr. 30 2014 10:49 AM
KJ Walters from Monroe, NY

A caller compared this to Stalinism, but it is more like Orwell's 1984. In America, we shouldn't be punishing thought crime, which is what this is.

Matters such as the structure of the NBA are beside the point, as they have always been there for anyone to see and to deal with.

But punishing a man for his private thoughts is wrong. It is not illegal to be a racist. To me he is Schindler, whose heart was not pure either--but so what?

Apr. 30 2014 10:48 AM
steve from queens

What is so surprising about this? a few months ago I made a statement in front of an immigrant about immigrant drivers in this city. the person I told my story to took the easy high road and quite rudely berated me in front of my son and accused me of being racist or making a racist comment (I would have made the same comment about an eastern europeans, the same stock I spring from so it was not made based on race and I am known to pick on NJ drivers and southern drivers). there was no talking to this person or reasoning. just his self-righteous, arrogant attitude.

As soon as I see him again I am going to point out something his high level international executive wife did some years ago (before he knew her). now mind you, this woman does a lot of business in foreign countries, many of them depending on the labor of non-whites. The woman, a single mother who I had always thought to be progressive and for equality, hired a nanny with very black skin and then told my wife, another immigrant, "I cannot afford to hire an Irish nanny." I was appalled at hearing that statement. I was further appalled that she proceeded to buy a second home and send her children to private schools while still employing this underpaid black nanny; this woman is not some person working for the MTA or as a teacher who had to take advantage of a black immigrant out of need.

I was in my early thirties when this took place and more left leaning and idealistic than I am now. When that happen, I was shocked and horrified. in time, I have realized that underneath it all, all of these people in power positions and in the public eye have a public persona and a private one. those of them who have their act down to a t and are careful don't get caught. the rest of them do, but really, they are no different from one another. even the immigrant I mention above, who so berated me, would probably treat a person from his country different than he treated me - a double standard.

What happen with this man should not surprise us. It is wrong, but none of us should be surprised by it as it happens all the time at both ends of the political spectrum. Now, it is worse that he is at such a high level position, as he should set a standard, but those of us who chastise him for it really need to take a deep look inside and be sure we are all so squeaky clean.

Apr. 30 2014 10:47 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@JG - when was Mr. Sterling ever a "liberal jew"?

Apr. 30 2014 10:46 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

BK from Hoboken said:

"Oh Martin. Once again everyone is a Jew hater in your world even though the US has bent over backward to appease Israel for 50 years to the detriment of our relationship with a billion Muslims worldwide."

A billion Muslims who hate Bahais, Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Zoroastrians AND the "wrong kind of Muslim" (Sunni Shiite Salafist Wahabbi Sufi VHS Betamax)

Apr. 30 2014 10:45 AM
Hussein from Manhattan

@ Martin don't you think you are beating a dead horse ... pretty DEFENSIVE huh ? yep we all know where YOU fall in the grey scale of all this the racism is as always just below the surface ....

Apr. 30 2014 10:44 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

@illfg, I have a huge problem with people being taped without their consent. However, the tapes came out and the NBA, AS A PRIVATE ENTIY - HAS A RIGHT TO deal with it.

I don't get how you don't see this. The man has a franchise NOT a stand alone business.

This whole Eric Boller "Harry Reid" comparison, is pure nonsense.

Apr. 30 2014 10:44 AM
fuva from harlemworld

This is not a 1st Amendment issue. Think BLS missed that teachable moment.

Apr. 30 2014 10:44 AM
blacksocialist from BKbaby

illfg - when did i say only white people were racists? i swear you people are thick. just unthinking drones.... you state, "i thought the 1st amendment protected everyones.....", you really haven't a clue what is going on.... just patehtic

Apr. 30 2014 10:41 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

How about one standard for all?

Al (Tawana Brawley hoax, Crown Heights riots, Freddies Fashion Mart fire and deaths) Sharpton should be shunned and kicked to the side of the street for his actions which have resulted in deaths.

Seeing politicians make pilgrimages to his clubhouse is disgusting.

Apr. 30 2014 10:40 AM
gregory from The Bronx

Once again we are given to view the spectacular hypocrisy of the left. Oh so moral and self-righteous to denounce the likes of Donald Sterling,Al Campanis and Jimmy the Greek, but how deafening their silence when a Charlie Ward and Allen Houston make anti-Semitic remarks.

Apr. 30 2014 10:39 AM
BK from Hoboken

@blacksocialist-
Brooklynmom stated facts. What many people are saying here is that Sterling has every right to hold bigoted beliefs in private or even in public. If those beliefs cross the line to actions, like housing discrimination in his past, then he will be held legally accountable. If those private beliefs affect the team he owns and the private league to which he belongs, then he has to face the consequences of those beliefs. I didn't see one comment on here that people approve of his beliefs, just that he has a right to have them, and good luck to him trying to life with those now that they are quite public. You can't control or legislate thoughts or beliefs. You can just hope and wait for these old bigots to die off.

Apr. 30 2014 10:39 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

"Sterling" is just typical of most of my former liberal Jewish "friends" who came out of Brownsville 50 years ago and went on to become wealthy suburbanites and now won't come visit me because they feign being fearful of a "bad" neighborhood. Of course what they mean is black neighborhood. Bunch of hypocrites from A to Z, but that is why I am NOT a liberal. I'm a conservative Jew who prefers to live among mostly black people because I once made a living from them and I know that they are no better nor worse than Jews or anybody else. There are bad and good in every group and we are all of the same species whether or not we choose to think otherwise. People are just people and nothing more or less.

Apr. 30 2014 10:38 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

If I "own" a regional chain of McDonalds or KFC's and a tape comes out of me beating my wife, attending a Klan rally, or saying that certain ethnic costumers "disgust me." A franchisor has a right, per their bylaws to take away my ability to operate a franchise with their name on it

The owners of Chik Fil' a, can say whatever they want - they own their business outright.

Apr. 30 2014 10:37 AM
Don't lose sight from Manhattan

I was somewhat mortified by the tone of the discussion on the show just now. Thank heaven Diana's call was let through. I think the issues she raised about people talking in their home made public by their supposed loved ones in order to punish them is *precisely* what was going on in Stalinist Soviet Union. We are next going to regulate and punish people for what they *think* in the privacy of their homes, even if they don't express it? I would like to see the ACLU come into this to defend Sterling, despicable though he might be as a person. Why did that young womman move in with him anyway? She had the free choice to absent herself from him. Racism is appalling, but this is not the way to do away with it.

Apr. 30 2014 10:37 AM

I also agree with Diana. Why isn't the gf's motives (she is clearly heard saying "but you love me") being examined? Maybe not Stalinist but definitely Stasi-like tactics.

And I hate professional sports. There seems to be a lot of "well, we knew he was a racist, but..."

Apr. 30 2014 10:34 AM

@blacksocialist from BKbaby - lol, what a joke your statement is. only white people are racist eh? i thought the 1st amendment protected everyones right to say stupid shit, regardless of race. Again he didn’t break any laws or commit a crime, he was talking to his girlfriend in private. I imagine its only whites that say bad things about other races right?

Apr. 30 2014 10:33 AM
fuva from harlemworld

On the taping: Apparently HE WANTED TO BE TAPED. Caller, the media has reported on this.

And, please:
If she set him up, then she did because SHE KNEW WHAT HE WOULD SAY, BECAUSE HE SAID IT BEFORE. Furthermore, what non-degenerate could possibly be 'baited' into saying such things?
What, are we supposed to pretend we didn't hear it, because it's not clear how we came to hear it?

Apr. 30 2014 10:32 AM
foodaggro from Brooklyn

BLS FAIL.
For those who are interested, I'm sure they can find coverage of this sensationalist b.s. on snorts illustrated or cnn.

Apr. 30 2014 10:32 AM
Erik from NY

What's funny is that George Steinbrenner, who was convicted of trying to subvert the American electoral system, is considered a great hero in NYC. I think what he did was far worse than what Sterling said.
And, as others have already pointed out, if a player or owner makes anti-gay statements or criticize other minority groups, will they suffer the same penalties as Sterling? Or is not the bigotry but who the bigotry is against that's important?

Apr. 30 2014 10:31 AM
Jay from Manhattan

Have to laugh when I hear people talk about how this mild incursion on the right of a billionaire to be an awful person is described as "very scary" and an attack on free speech/privacy.

Give. Me. A. Break. The man is going to walk off with a billion dollars. Chelsea Manning is in jail for 35 years for his speech. Now THAT is scary.

Apr. 30 2014 10:31 AM
Ed J

It is legal for a party to a conversation to record it, whether in person, on the phone or over the Internet. She had that right for her own protection. Her motivation and goal for releasing it is another thing entirely.

Apr. 30 2014 10:31 AM
Jade

Brian, you obviously don't understand Hostile Workplace. Nor the 4th amendment.

Just because there's racism doesn't mean he is creating a Hostile Workplace. And if it was a government agency that invaded his home, you would, I hope, be up in arms about the warantless invasion!

Apr. 30 2014 10:31 AM
J from nj

I think Diana has a point about civil liberties. People should have an expectation of privacy in their homes... I also wonder what kind of response would have occurred if he had said, "Stop hanging out with those GAY people...: ? Same outcry?

Apr. 30 2014 10:30 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

"Sterling" is just typical of most of my former liberal Jewish "friends" who came out of Brownsville 50 years ago and went on to become wealthy suburbanites and now won't come visit me because they feign being fearful of a "bad" neighborhood. Of course what they mean is black neighborhood. Bunch of hypocrites from A to Z, but that why I am NOT a liberal. I'm a conservative Jews who prefers to live among most black people because I once made a living from them and I know that they are no better or worse than Jews or anybody else. There are bad and good in every group and we are all of the same species whether we choose to think otherwise.

Apr. 30 2014 10:30 AM

Agree w Diane.

I def. don't wouldn't want him to continue in his current position -- but I'm guessing his full and honest explanation is much more fascinating and engaging than what has been discussed to date.

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
Joyce from Sunnyside

Right on, Diana. I couldn't agree with you more. No one is examining the issue of a right to private conversation and as other callers pointed out, the dubious motives of his girlfriend.

Not a pretty sight.

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
Rob

Brian, you started this off by saying it's a topic we all agree on. Well, look at the comments. There is NO agreement here. You blew this one big time.

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
Rosey from CT

To Diana- who thinks that there is a civil liberties conflict here- the person who exposed him is a private citizen. He wasn't arrested for his comments, just culturally lynched. The government had nothing to do with this exposure so your link to Stalinism and a threat to democracy is a beyond a stretch.

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
steve from Manhattan

So I guess in this puritan nation, the only way to openly have a girlfriend when married, is to do or say something far worse...

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
Rusty Dab from NYC

The analogy is not Stalinist Russia, it is McCarthy's America. A private organization penalizing opinion and belief. Do a thought experiment: change the content of his statements, and then how does it look?

Apr. 30 2014 10:29 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

High Tech Lynching Charlie Barron was endorsed by

david duke of kkk low tech lynching infamy.

Charlie is known by his supporters.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/ku-klux-klan-leader-david-duke-endorses-councilman-charles-barron-congress-bid-article-1.1099852

Apr. 30 2014 10:28 AM
blacksocialist from BKbaby

brooklynmom78 - you have no idea what you are talking about, just foolish blabbering.... if you are going to comment at least have a cursory look at the facts... just pathetic

Apr. 30 2014 10:28 AM
Nick from UWS

This woman is absolutely correct. Broadcasting a private conversation is completely disgusting. Let those without sin cast that stone.

Apr. 30 2014 10:28 AM
carolita from nyc

Yeah, he got recorded unawares and that was wrong, but the fact is, he was always suspected of racism, and now the cat is out of the bag, however it happened, and now no one wants him around. He had bad judgement being a racist, bad judgement being a superficial old lech, and bad judgement dating a treacherous woman who would take this kind of revenge upon him after dating him obviously purely for his money. This is the price he pays. Voila. He reaped what he sowed.

Apr. 30 2014 10:27 AM
BK from Hoboken

Oh Martin. Once again everyone is a Jew hater in your world even though the US has bent over backward to appease Israel for 50 years to the detriment of our relationship with a billion Muslims worldwide.

Apr. 30 2014 10:27 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Yo, big ups to Adam Silver and the players for pressuring him...But here we run the risk of focusing on the overt and the sensational, at the expense of the institutional and the much, much more deadly effects of race terror -- current and the vestiges of the past.

Also, as usual, we need guests with better race analysis.

Apr. 30 2014 10:26 AM
Seth

"the other documented..."

what??? what are they, Brian!!! Stop letting him say this if you're not going to truly document them. I don't see that these other things exist!

Apr. 30 2014 10:26 AM

"Stalinist state" ???

To the caller - His privacy was invaded but once his real views are known his players, and the league he belongs to have opted to disassociate.

Government had no role in this. You need to rein in your rhetoric a little bit.

Apr. 30 2014 10:26 AM
Mireille Liong from Brooklyn, NY

He knew he was being recorded. According to his girlfriend.

Apr. 30 2014 10:26 AM
Anonymous from Park Slope

@MIKE

THOSE FREEDOMS ARE STILL IN PLACE - YOU JUST CAN'T SAY IT OUT LOUD WITHOUT REPERCUSSION.

Apr. 30 2014 10:25 AM
ivan obregon from nyc

No doubt, the main issue is the man's racist behavior and words and how indicative it is of systematic/classist/institutionalized socioeconomic equality, but as the line between realms of privacy and public statements continues to be blurred, we should expect the ensuing revelations of what blacks say about anglo-whites/Hispanics/Jews. etc., other whites say of said groups, men of women, women of men, etc., including.....what NBA players, sports journalists, and for that matter, anyone....say of anything and anyone anywhere anytime.

Apr. 30 2014 10:25 AM
Susan Wolfe from NYC

Hearing the actual conversation and comments, I was overwhelmed with a feeling of sadness. There have been many times when celebrities and people in the public eye have made racist comments or comments derogatory of certain groups in moments of anger, where they have said words to cause pain that don't necessarily reflect what is in their hearts. But Sterling's words truly reflect what is in his heart and it is so deeply dark and reprehensible.

Apr. 30 2014 10:25 AM

@Sheldon from Brooklyn - No he was secretly and possibly illegally recorded and now being demonized for his beliefs. i thought free speech protected all speech and repugnant speech. he didn’t comment an illegal act but there are NBA players who have and still have jobs. This is thought fascism. 1984.

Apr. 30 2014 10:25 AM
Pat

Mr. Sterling should donate his $ wealth to helping young kids of all ethnic background to make a better world

Apr. 30 2014 10:25 AM

@Andrea from Philadelphia - obviously he doesn’t have the right because he is now being demonized publicly for secretly recorded comment made privately. who cares what he thinks! basketball isn’t a morality game, its JUST a game.

Apr. 30 2014 10:24 AM
Mara from In town

Shuddered to learn this Sterling creep is Jewish. It was bad enough we had that scum Sheldon Adelson, but now this? A black mark on our tribe, fer sher.

Apr. 30 2014 10:24 AM

“Anonymous from Park Slope

@martinchuzzlewit - what is "Negro" dialect? Examples please?”

YOU FOOL … you didn’t read the earlier post below. Ask Harry Reid. They are HIS words-

“What racist old white guy said the following?

Back Obama is "light skinned with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one" (as in when he finds it convenient to talk “black”)

HARRY REID in 2008 – our Democrat Senate Majority Leader

When does he get fined millions of dollars and leave office???

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html)”

Apr. 30 2014 10:24 AM
brooklynmom78 from bklyn

Don't get me wrong, I find Sterling's comments and attitude repugnant, but the thing that I find threatening about this situation is that Stiviano taped a private conversation and released it to the public without his consent, specifically for the intention of ruining his reputation. If she's so turned off by his racism, why is she dating him anyway? Also, although his comments were inflammatory, not because he advocated violence against a group, or even used horrible language, but because a lot of people are offended by them. He broke no laws, specifically, and he's entitled to hold any beliefs that he choose, so long as he does not violate other people's rights. What happened to constitutional rights of freedom of belief and speech?

Apr. 30 2014 10:24 AM
Rppr

No doubt that the man is racist, but the way Brian and wnyc has handled this issue undermines everything the station says about not being sensationalist journalism. This is really not the public radio way to deal with this issue. Bad on you and wnyc.

And yes, Rembert, or whoever, should be here, and not this guy.

Apr. 30 2014 10:24 AM
brooklynmom78 from bklyn

Don't get me wrong, I find Sterling's comments and attitude repugnant, but the thing that I find threatening about this situation is that Stiviano taped a private conversation and released it to the public without his consent, specifically for the intention of ruining his reputation. If she's so turned off by his racism, why is she dating him anyway? Also, although his comments were inflammatory, not because he advocated violence against a group, or even used horrible language, but because a lot of people are offended by them. He broke no laws, specifically, and he's entitled to hold any beliefs that he choose, so long as he does not violate other people's rights. What happened to constitutional rights of freedom of belief and speech?

Apr. 30 2014 10:23 AM
Mike from BKNY

WHAT ABOUT FREEDOM OF THOUGHT??? FREEDOM TO BE AN ASS? THIS GUYS HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING ILLEGAL OR UNFAIR HE IS JUST BIASED AND RACIST. I THOUGHT THIS COUNTRY STILL ALLOWED FREEDOM OF THOUGHT AND FREEDOM TO BE A JERK IF YOU SO CHOOSE.

SCARY THAT "PROGRESSIVES" ARE NOW SO REPRESSIVE WHEN THEY ARE OFFENDED. SLIPPERY SLOPE HERE....

Apr. 30 2014 10:23 AM
Edith

Is it just me, or do you find you tune out of Brian's show more lately than ever before? or that the quality of the guests have fallen? I'm worried when we lose outlets like this to this type of coverage as the world implodes around us. Guess he is more worried about ratings through controversy than quality. As some one else said, there are many other places to go for that kind of thing and as a supporter and long term listener I hope this station doesn't suffer as a result and can turn things back around. As of now, I have my doubts.

Apr. 30 2014 10:22 AM
Joseph Bell from Downtown

Unfortunately the guest doesn't have the analytical chops to advance this discussion.

Apr. 30 2014 10:21 AM
turtlepam from NYC

Why is no one talking about the gender imbalance? The beginning of the audio quote Brian played had Sterling telling Stiviano she is supposed to be sweet and feminine. Really?

Apr. 30 2014 10:21 AM
turtlepam from NYC

Why is no one talking about the gender imbalance? The beginning of the audio quote Brian played had Sterling telling Stiviano she is supposed to be sweet and feminine. Really?

Apr. 30 2014 10:20 AM
Kee from NYC

This entire conversation is does a great disservice so racial understanding. Firstly, the tape is a misleading entrapment, clearly guided by a scorned and manipulative woman attempting to elicit a particular response. She keeps trying to put words into his mouth, with a specific agenda, why else record a private conversation. Secondly, he may be prejudiced based on a long history of institutionalized beliefs, no surprise there, but he is no more a racist than any other person who employs minorities in a exchange that exploits the value of their labor. Prejudice is a way of thinking. Racism is an action, and this secretly recorded conversation had nothing to do with racism, it had to do with his personal beliefs, which is a fundamental right to think, or say, whatever you want. People who are attacking him based on his beliefs are attacking this fundamental right, even if we find it despicable, he has a right to be a bigot. This entire conversation is racist hysteria and an embarrassment and Wesley Morris trivializes racism. Uggh.

Apr. 30 2014 10:20 AM
Who is this from outerspace?

Martin Chuzzlewit
Book by Charles Dickens

The Life and Adventures of Martin Chuzzlewit is a novel by Charles Dickens, considered the last of his picaresque novels. It was originally serialised in 1843 and 1844

Apr. 30 2014 10:20 AM
tom

Now that the stain of Sterling has been cleansed from the NBA are the professional team names ever going to be changed, IE: BLACKHAWKS, BRAVES (logo) and REDSKINS? are those owners next?

Apr. 30 2014 10:20 AM

Wow...I can imagine every white guy with major assets in a relationship with a black or mixed race woman now adding "...not that there's anything wrong with that." to every conversation.

Sterling was entrapped (somewhat) by his girlfriend AND by his own attitude. Too bad for him that the time ran out on his attitude. Ultimately, he'll be all right. However, this incident will push the racism that still exists within us far deeper underground.

Does the racism that exists within African-Americans get a pass because we don't have power to harm most white folks with it? Fair's fair. If they can't be racist, neither can we.

Apr. 30 2014 10:19 AM
Jade

Yesterday or Monday, based on what I heard on the BLS, I didn't think it was that bad. Then I read more on another site, and Wow! did I change my mind.

I do think that she did this on purpose and was leading him down a path that would result in a tape like this, but that doesn't excuse it. (I also think some of what he said was because he just thinks she is a bimbo and he didn't think it was worth contradicting her or making a nuanced argument.)

I'd like to hear more about the technicalities of how the NBA goes about "banning" someone. Is there some kind of morals clause in the agreements that owners sign with the NBA?

Apr. 30 2014 10:19 AM
Jim B from Queens

The LA Clippers are not worth a Billion with Sterling as owner. This is not over the NBA almost broke and still might if Sterling does not go quickly. The Clippers can not sell ads. The team should sell for $12.5 Million.

Apr. 30 2014 10:19 AM
Anonymous from Park Slope

@martinchuzzlewit - what is "Negro" dialect? Examples please?

Apr. 30 2014 10:18 AM
steve from queens

Listen, let's none of us try to take the high road here. first off, all of these money people - even a lot of those who purport to be great liberals - end up sooner of later proving themselves racist at some point. As for the rest of us, we all have our tipping points as well (white, black, latino, purple and green, none of us are any more holy than anyone else).

as for the woman involved, she herself has no scruples. why would this young attractive woman date an old goat? money. all she is is a high dollar whore.

I am not sure this event belongs on the radio unless we open up a lot of other discussions about the rectitude and principles of a lot of other people - both in power and influence and middling americans.

Apr. 30 2014 10:18 AM
blacksocialist from BKbaby

a lot of dumb whites today, go figure..... marty, johnny from office, illfg, etc... you people are sad and pathetic, and predictable... cheers

Apr. 30 2014 10:18 AM
Leo_A from NJ

I'm sure those basketball players could care less who their boss is. They are making millions. Unless the plantation workers were making milllions, then the analogy is worthless.

Apr. 30 2014 10:17 AM
Robert from NYC

Well Martin Chuzzlewit, may not be yet but Israel is headed toward an apartheid state. But this isn't the topic here. Wait for the day when that topic comes up. Not everything is the world relates to Israel.

Apr. 30 2014 10:17 AM
David from Manhattan

NCAA is a plantation Players get zero money

And it is in fact an NBA farm league

Apr. 30 2014 10:17 AM
Roy from Queens

Anyone who defends Sterling is basically defending bigotry and stupidity without consequences.

Apr. 30 2014 10:17 AM
Justin from Brooklyn

All this outrage against the reprehensible statements by Sterling is deserved, but how are all the PUBLIC racist statements by PUBLIC officials (Charles Baron- statements too numerous to mention- Al Sharpton calling whites "interlopers" in Harlem for example)accepted and acceptable? (Charles Baron just appeared at the mayor's side at a recent public event!)

Apr. 30 2014 10:16 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

Everyone keeps repeating that Sterling has been "banned" from the NBA.

What does that even mean? He STILL owns the team, still makes money from the gate, etc.

Does it mean he's not allowed to sit in the stands?

I mean it's not as if he was suiting up and playing the game itself!

Apr. 30 2014 10:16 AM
Andrea from Philadelphia

@illfg Yes, he has the right to free speech. He hasn't been arrested.

Apr. 30 2014 10:16 AM
Jeb from Brooklyn

It's too bad Sterling was able to get away with his behavior, including housing rights violations, until he was caught attacking millionaires.

It's like Capone getting away with murder and finally going to jail for tax evasion.

Apr. 30 2014 10:15 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

illfg, you comments are rather naive. Did Mr. Sterling get thrown in jail by the government? The man has a right to say what he wants in public and private. The NBA, as a private organization, has the right to protect its brand.

Apr. 30 2014 10:15 AM
Your Boss from At the office

John get back to work .. your job is not to waste my internet .. with stupid remarks

Apr. 30 2014 10:15 AM
Rusty Dab from NYC

Sterling's comments are indeed repulsive; yet, isn't he being blacklisted only for his opinions expressed in a private context? He isn't being punished for discriminatory practices (at least not in this situation); only for his opinions. The whole thing is a bit chilling: could it happen to someone who expressed some other unpopular opinion? Say he endorsed socialism, for example?

Apr. 30 2014 10:15 AM

So, we have heard from our two highest Democrat "Power Structure" plantation owners....Harry Reid and Joe Biden.... that Obama is light skinned, clean, articulate, sort of mainstream and has no discernible Negro dialect except when he is being devious.

Apr. 30 2014 10:13 AM

Why would she even want to touch that troll.
What's hot about this guy?

Apr. 30 2014 10:13 AM

@john from office - or the radioactivity of Fukishima

Apr. 30 2014 10:13 AM
john from office

I over heard some "african americans" on the 6 train speaking quite scholarly about this subject. I was uplifted!

Apr. 30 2014 10:13 AM
Maria

Another wasted segment. If we want this kind of thing, there are 1000 other outlets.

Apr. 30 2014 10:12 AM
Geo from Manhattan

Don't forget what he said about Blacks in Israel... why are we leaving that out ?

Apr. 30 2014 10:12 AM
Estelle from Brooklyn

There's some white guy who's a racist: I'm shocked! Shocked!

Get real! We may be on the brink of World War Three and we spend time being shocked that there are racists out there.

Or is this just a way for journalists and commentators to distance themselves from racism?

Apr. 30 2014 10:12 AM

@Leo_A from NJ - no they cant see that. because he is a "racist". you dont have the right anymore to believe whatever you want. even if its wrong.

Apr. 30 2014 10:12 AM
The Truth from Becky

Why are we still surprised by these not so closeted bigots? Cowards like the owner of the first comment below.

Apr. 30 2014 10:12 AM
foodaggro from Brooklyn

STILL talking about this?
STILL don't care.

Apr. 30 2014 10:11 AM
Tim

Thanks for the sound bit. wnyc is now officially no different than any other station. Brian, you've dropped several steps down with this story.

Apr. 30 2014 10:11 AM

did you just say she is a victim? This show is heading for the ramp before the shark pen.

Apr. 30 2014 10:10 AM

@JoeCorrao - or the stabbing of 6 people in atlanta? oh wait, old white guy talks bad about other races, BIG STORY... yawn.

Apr. 30 2014 10:10 AM

What OTHER racist old white guy said THIS?

“Barack Obama is clean and articulate…..sort of mainstream”

JOE BIDEN – our esteemed DEMOCRAT Vice-President!!

When does he get the Brian Lehrer treatment? Where’s the outrage?
Why was HE given a pass?

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJSfBKQA_KQ)

Apr. 30 2014 10:09 AM
Leo_A from NJ

Am I the only one who sees this as some old senile man, jealous of his mistresses friends

Apr. 30 2014 10:09 AM
Rob

She didn't get to a point where "she'd had enough". She was being sued! Brian, I love this station, but you are sooooo taking the bait here.

Apr. 30 2014 10:08 AM

The thought police are in full effect. I hope if any black NBA players get recorded talking "racist talk" they are dealt with the same way.

Apr. 30 2014 10:07 AM
Sheila from Manhattan

No doubt Donald Sterling is a sleaze and a bigot. But, if you can't make a comment in the privacy of your own home, where is the liberty?

Apr. 30 2014 10:07 AM

you guys are still licking your chops over this story. Why not talk about Snowden or manning or the government intrusion stories.

Apr. 30 2014 10:06 AM

i thought the first amendment protected free speech, especially in the privacy of his own home? This is america, dont we have the right to hate who we want, regardless of whether that's morally acceptable? Did his girlfriend violate any laws recording him unknowingly and selling it? Karem Adul Jabar wrote a great article on this for Time.

Apr. 30 2014 10:06 AM
john from office

This will be Brian's new Abu Garb segment. Endless shows about a old white jew acting poorly. Brian will show how offended he is and how terrible these statements are and how much he loves black people. To be followed by a show with some Rap "artists" and Spike Lee appearing as "experts".

Brian, there is a possible world war starting in Europe, let it go.

Apr. 30 2014 10:05 AM
Seth

Brian,
you and your guest keep saying it's "well documented", but really is it? I've not heard wnyc actually document past racism. The court case was about money, not race. Where's the actual racism, that this station is assuming exists. This program is sounding just like the stations you always say you're NOT like. sad.

Apr. 30 2014 10:05 AM

What racist old white guy said the following?

Barack Obama is "light skinned with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one" (as in when he finds it convenient to talk “black”)

HARRY REID in 2008 – our Democrat Senate Majority Leader!

When does he get fined millions of dollars and forced out of office???

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/09/harry-reid-negro-comment-_n_417406.html)

Apr. 30 2014 10:02 AM
antonio from Bayside

So what. A tacky rich rich dude gets himself banned from a 'GAME.'

What we should be complaining about are the disparities in society. Ever check out your local fire house in your so-called liberal city of nyc? How diverse is that?

There's a reason that 'jeopardy SNL' skit was so funny...'I'll take; Recent Black Presidents for $500.'

Funny thing, there must be strains of libertarianism running through me, because I am kinda annoyed his free speech rights are being violated...and he seemed to have given monies/supports to minority causes. I think he needs therapy not a ban.

Apr. 30 2014 09:42 AM
Marco from Manhattan

Watching the sanctimony and hypocrisy that surrounds identity politics in the United States is far more entertaining than watching the NBA.

Apr. 30 2014 09:23 AM

Hey, with all the BLS identity politics scandal mongering, where’s the segment about Kerry’s use of the term “apartheid state Israel” and his not so veiled threat?

Kerry wouldn’t have floated that threat if the closet Jew Hater in the Oval Office hadn’t let it be known that he would “have Kerry’s back,” and if Barack Hussein hadn’t approved and crafted that type of mindset in his inner circle. They don’t do things in a vacuum or they don’t work for the Community Organizer very long.
Where’s the outrage by the “outrage team” here?

Apr. 30 2014 09:14 AM

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