China's Secret Organ Transplant Business

Wednesday, August 13, 2014

In 2009 in China, hundreds of Uyghur political demonstrations disappeared without a trace. Uyghur women, calling for the return of their son and husbands, is broken up by Chinese armed forces. In 2009 in China, hundreds of Uyghur political demonstrations disappeared without a trace. Uyghur women, calling for the return of their son and husbands, is broken up by Chinese armed forces. (Photos from The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China’s Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem. Photo by Peter Parks/AFP/Getty Images/reprinted with permission from the publisher)

Veteran China analyst Ethan Gutmann discusses his investigation into China's organ transplant business and its connection with internment camps and dissidents. He discusses what he discovered about China’s program to get rid of political dissidents while profiting from the sale of their organs--in many cases to Western recipients. Gutman’s book The Slaughter: Mass Killings, Organ Harvesting, and China's Secret Solution to Its Dissident Problem is based on interviews with top-ranking police officials and Chinese doctors and reveals a shocking story.



Ethan Gutmann

Comments [12]

I posted my impression of the interview, and did not mean to discourage anybody from reading it. Any sensible people know one or five star review is subjective and has almost no impact either way. I have never heard about the author, and I have no dog in the fight. If what the book says is true, he deserves the appreciation and admiration of all decent human beings.
This is a free society, in which all have the freedom of speech, and everybody should respect facts. Please enjoy reading the book.

Aug. 16 2014 09:38 AM


I am a long time listener of this show and I think it's one of the best show out there. Although this topic was dealt with in usual in dept manner, I am left with somewhat mix feels. It is bit too late. How long have this been going on?

We are defined by choices we make in life. Those who 'choose' to be silent, for their sake of convenience, will have their sit next to those who turned their blind eye during holocaust.

Aug. 15 2014 05:15 PM
River from Toronto

Lake, your comment is a virtual cut and paste of the same comment made by "Lake" on the Amazon page that is selling Mr. Gutmann's book as well. People named "Lake" are quite determined to criticize Mr. Gutmann and his book, aren't they?

There are some grammar errors in your posts that are very specific to Chinese who are writing in English. I know this as I have many Chinese friends (who are good, honest people) with whom I often communicate. Is it true that the Chinese regime pays you guys ("50 cent bloggers") for the number of times you post for them on the internet or do they pay you a salary?

There is no freedom in China to post whatever anyone wants to say on the internet as the Chinese regime strictly monitors and blocks the internet. But they take advantage of the freedoms outside of China to attack those who the Chinese regime wants to attack.

I am looking forward to reading Mr. Gutmann's book and have very much appreciated his writing the past. Your comment holds no influence over me whatsoever as I know exactly what you are doing. If you had the capacity, you should be ashamed.

Aug. 15 2014 11:27 AM
Elizabeth from New Jersey

Leonard, I appreciate your courage in highlighting this book and this issue. It seems that no other U.S. media is willing to do so. One thing: Mr. Gutmann said that he invites people to see the "Bodies" exhibit to see for themselves if the bodies are of Asian descent. Buying a ticket to that show allows the evil to further profit from these heinous crimes.

Aug. 15 2014 12:49 AM
lake from NYC

A year ago, the NPR was fooled by Ping Fu. Now we have another fishy character. But I have to say that the interviewer was being more alert and critical this time.

Guttmann did not sound convincing at all, and had to qualify his assertion almost all the time. The author cited Wang Lijun, who fell from grace for offending Bo Xilai, the top leader in Chongqing. It is unbelievable that this author could not even get this well-known fact right. Wang's downfall was attributed to his revealing of organ transplant and his boss Bo was called an "heir apparent" in the Chinese political party. Hello, Xi was the heir apparent, and Bo tried to challenge that. If you get this simple fact wrong, how can people trust you get dirty secrets right.

Aug. 13 2014 03:32 PM

Your guest is a favorite of the right-wing media. Mr. Lopate; why not at least mention Gutmann's primary background as a writer for The National Review and The Weekly Standard? He is not only a China-watcher with an agenda, but a neo-Orientalist to boot: he actually declares in this interview that, because he has an Asian wife, he can tell with his own bare eyes that the bodies in the Bodies exhibition are Chinese. Sure, they probably are, but he can tell their ethnicity by their anatomy? With his eyes?

Aug. 13 2014 03:03 PM
Rosie Glass from La La Land, U.S. of A.

Good thing the U.S.—the shining beacon of freedom and human rights—doesn't do business with China. And I'm so proud that all of our recent presidents have really taken China's leaders to task for their human rights violations and haven't sucked up to them in the name of the almighty dollar. Same for the U.N.

Aug. 13 2014 01:07 PM
Amy from Manhattan

How likely are the "ordinary criminals" Mr. Gutmann mentioned to be guilty of the crimes they were convicted of? This country has plenty of people behind bars who turn out to be innocent--I doubt China's doing any better.

I remember a lot of publicity about Falun Gong & their persecution by China a few years ago, but I haven't seen much lately. Have they been suppressed so much that word isn't getting out anymore, or has public attention outside of China gone on to the next outrage?

Aug. 13 2014 12:27 PM

In Kazuo Ishiguro's "Never Let Me Go" cloned children grow up knowing that they exist for one reason — to supply organs to the extraordinarily privileged individuals from whom they were cloned. The kids and young adults live strange, isolated lives in their special communities until the "complete" — until they've donated too many of their organs to survive any longer.

Aug. 13 2014 12:22 PM
DC from Sunset Park

When "Bodies" was popular and all those advertisements were on the subway, I was just sickened. The subjects are clearly Chinese people, and it's sick that the Communist Party would desecrate the dead in such a manner.

Aug. 13 2014 12:11 PM
genejoke from Brooklyn

...China analyst Ethan GUTMANN discusses his investigation into China's ORGAN TRANSPLANT business.
Another person fulfilling their surname-sake!

Aug. 13 2014 12:09 PM
Neil from UK

The CCP really are evil....for goodness sake people in power do something....stop hiding behind money and trade!!

Its bad enough to persecute the innocent Falun Gong but to murder them for profit, in such a ghastly way.....

Can the world be so naive? or so complicit?

Aug. 13 2014 09:41 AM

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