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Burley, Chairman of the Liberal Party, answers questions about politics and the Liberal Party.
Moderated by Jay Nelson Tuck.
Panelists: Stan Siegel, Peter Franklin, Ed Stover, Geri Ferraro
The Liberal Party "carries forward the ancient division of the Democratic Party." Liberal Party doesn't follow Tammany Hall lines very often. National Parties must exist within the states. There are no National Parties in the US. There are 49 state parties, which are grouped together in the Presidential nominating sessions. Most Liberal Party members are Democrats. Gov. Harriman's election was helped by the Liberal Party. Unemployment insurance increase vetoed by Harriman because of riders. Support for Hogan, initial objections. Temporary cease fire in the Taiwan strait; there will be no permanent peace until a balance has been reached between Communist Powers and Western Powers. The Liberal Party is not trying to create a third national party. Responds to Republican accusations that a Democratic Congress would invite socialism. Con Ed's influence to raise the subway rates. The Liberal Party is not backing Adam Clayton Powell and does not agree with his view of patronage. UN plebiscite for communist countries. Nixon in South America. The Liberal Party did not endorse the Democratic candidate for Attorney General
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Does the Liberal Party always follow Tammany Hall in New York City it's the Liberal Party's nomination if they doubt an attempt to get the reelection of Republican. Well the Liberal party involved be a decisive factor in this year's election for governor is there a through third party in the United States for the answers to these and other questions listen that he said he stations campus press conference each week at this time in this transcribed discussion editors of college newspapers question in years where they personality Nelson talk noted editor a newspaper men as moderator of the series now to introduce the panel and tonight's guest here is Mr Taft Good evening I did say nominating convention the Liberal Party was sorely divided over whether or not to end boss Frank Ogun the Democratic candidate for the United States Senate there are those who call the Liberal Party the tail that wags the dog of the Democratic Party but others believe that it does not have enough influence on the Democratic Party I guess tonight on campus finest conferences the honorary chairman of the Liberal Party Mr Adolf. A lawyer and author and the statesman Mr Barly is a long and distinguished career in public affairs includes six years of service as assistant secretary of state of the United States two years as United States ambassador to Brazil and four years as the chamberlain of the city of New York here tonight a question Mr Barly I stand Saeco of the N.Y.U. square Journal Peter Franklin of the City College observation fellows and Ed style by Gerry Ferraro both of the thought on likes of Grant and Peter has the first question Mr Burley exactly what is the role of the Liberal Party in New York City the Liberal Party carries far more of the ancient division of the Democratic Party. That was divided when our own were organized in the regular Democrats in the Jeffersonian organized separately in one form or another that division was it just right down to the present time under the fuel your law is now prevailing and since nine hundred thirty six the Liberal Party has been in existence started as the American Labor Party it really was designed to mobilize a liberal votes. Mainly and a Tammany Democrats and also independents who otherwise had no property affiliation it has continued that role as the Liberal Party for the last ten fifteen. Years Peter Well Mr Burley many people have said or at least called the Liberal Party in an Assistant Democratic Party in New York City something that always follow salmon equals line exactly how does the Liberal Party differ with how many people they don't follow tally of all law and so very often. But for the first way nationally most of us are Democrats I should think practically all of us I certainly am in most states matters we've tried to work with the Democratic Party we're glad to work with the Democratic Party in New York when it is willing to adopt policies and put up a man with whom we can work but as for Apollo in the tab of the line we certainly have not we blocked Merrill Dwyer for example. Twice and are out fire that this group of support into La Guardia was not renowned as a tapenade mad and sought out this doesn't explode to supporting a great great man if Tammany influence to nominate him to stand most of early you mentioned a difference between national and state supported by the Liberal Party of the Democratic party lines do you believe that national party should exist within the states. Within the States I think they have to as you may know if you'll pardon my dealing with a bit about the matter a lot do you know that there are no national parties in the United States under the Constitution each state has a judge recall elections so what there are forty nine including Alaska state party these are grouped together every four years in the presidential nominating convention now historically this has worked out into a series of forty nine state Republican Parties forty nine state Democratic parties for practical purposes though we have no legal national party we do have national parties in fact and should be and I'm glad we don't ask where the Liberal Party is most of us nationally are Democrats statewide The difficulty lies in the fact that the state government takes and not merely national and great issues but also divides and minutes full of fads This is why if the situation in New York is peculiar there's no real reason for national parties existing in a city like the city of New York the city of Buffalo and England for example the national parties are perfectly clear cut and yet the municipal parties are quite separate from the issues of quite different. Mr Burley do you feel that the Liberal Party vote will be a decisive factor in this year's election for governor I can only say that it frequently has been decisive it was decisive for example in the election of Governor how one in four years ago won and the. Governor one was elected as governor there the Liberal Party was nearly three hundred thousand votes. So supporting have been made the difference he was elected then by a very small majority whether it will be this time or not course I can't tell for it is likely to be considerable and substantial and a close election of course it will be decisive you Cathcart And it's not been decisive it often has. Except in the case of some landslide situations. On the Democratic side you would need the Liberal party involved as a rule you cannot count in New York State for the Democratic ticket statewide without liberal support also obviously you might have a sudden resurgence of the Republican Party though the Republican party elsewhere in the country hasn't been doing so well you're right about a recent issue in debate nobbiness value is the unemployment insurance bill raising payments from thirty six dollars to forty five dollars a week which given a hand indeed at three times Republican said the reason inherent in the advice because of the fact it could be contained stipulations for extra cost to seasonal businesses with a negative balance Republicans implied therefore the Hamel is trying to protect Devinsky now it's relatively done ladies gone it where it is union in order to get the labor vote at the expense of the little people of New York which you cannot explain I have never thought that that was a very solid argument that was one of the of rather stupid debates and. We feel that the unemployment benefits off to be somewhat increased on the other hand if the attempt was made to repeal that section of the law which you just mentioned. If repealed it would mean that there would be a serious cut in the payments of to the unemployment state compensation fund this was tagged on to a perfectly good bill to increase some part of the unemployment benefits. The two together would have made an unsound fiscal situation it's a typical case of tying a bad rider onto a good deal of this wasn't protecting Alex Ross or David to Penske In fact I don't know that either of them were consulted I know that most students. Are quite this interested students not to mention a very able man is it or lupin felt the same way about the gov debt I myself don't know what position David to do than to keep talk of government workers union I think that's gov did the right thing. Most girlie men ask a question. After all of fighting over senatorial nominations a month or so ago the liberals accepted Mr Hogan but why were they opposed to him in the first slice hyper responsible for that toward least as much responsible for the funding one because I persuaded a turbulent convention to endorse Mr Ragab. They were not opposed I think to most organize such they've supported him for district attorney two or three and. No one has anything against Mr Hogan. No one having named any selection at the time we held our convention we nominated our first choice the Democrats had nominated and it was had not nominated it was the last day to nominate. You had to nominate by midnight that night in the nine o'clock that evening we dominated our free stories was Thompson letting an excellent bat he is probably one of the ablest contenders in the field a little later Mr. To SA peel and the Ricardi delegation imposed on the Democratic convention of the choice of Mr Hope but we had nothing against Mr Hogan and now we're supporting him down to hope to get selected. But we had all kinds of objections to the way this thing was done and I think the Liberal party felt that this had been job put up by a couple of district leaders and they didn't like it a little bet they would appropriate time for a letter but I think there had been an open convention charge so they wouldn't of by the two minutes in the ensuing convention when the question was brought up that we should not go along with Hogan because we disliked the way this thing had been done I myself made an impassioned plea that you can't do things that way a responsible party doesn't act that way we thought Mr Hogan would be an honorable bearer of the tradition and today there are five unanimously endorsed him I say sir if I may I would like to travel approximately six thousand miles at the present time a temporary ceasefire is in effect in the Taiwan Strait Now do you believe that any lasting peace can be achieved by this country's insistence on the fusing to recognize the existence of communist China. They topple with us is that there are about eight questions rolled into one another time shifting out to my either as a New York lawyer. Interested in New York politics into a foreign relations I don't think that there will be a permanent peace in the Taiwan Strait or indeed anywhere else until finally a settlement has been reached or a balance has been reached between the communist powers and the Western powers so there will be otherwise constant friction so when you're talking of prominent peace you're talking of something that has some distance off a lot of personal and believe eventually it will be attained now the non-recognition question is in the trial a different question obviously Red China is governed by a communist government that is the fact. The British recognized communist China right away and of financially insolvent for their pains ever since. They got absolutely nothing out of it I don't think myself that at the moment. It is exactly useful to recognize of Red China merely as a result of a lot of wild talk threats and probably the far left campaign of vilification of the United States that a government has yet to put out we don't recognize on that account I do think that the time will come I hope it may come soon enough common denominator of thinking can be reached so that we can recognize reality again in these matters it is not merely what is done but how it is done the cot. I don't think that recognition one way or another is a major I can eventually of course we have to recognise fact Peter Mr Burley do you believe that it's proper to make a political issue out of the recognition of China and also the problems in China Quemoy and other things pertaining to that situation yes I don't. I didn't think frankly that it was good business to be. Raising a political clam are against President Eisenhower and I you know are a national Democrat or Secretary dollars but again I'm on the other side of the law in the immediate moment of a crisis I don't think that that is good business it makes it infinitely harder for them but it makes it easy for the enemy to try to divide and that was not the moment obviously at X. crisis there was absolutely no reason why these should not be discussed and discussed politically it is part of what American politics are for I hope I make myself plain This isn't a permanent job but of the moment where a piece or where are from a result from faults step it is where or not merely to start attacking your own pitcher he's all the pitcher you've got the time being all the pitcher you're going to get for the next couple years. While to do that is another story Gerry Ferraro has a question for you there is a second lie in math you are not worth fighting find its value do you tap a pencil or knife and has been this in their fight to defend it all climb. Again and compare it to find out that. It is one thing to say that just as real estate these are fourth fighting for it's quite another thing to say that because. A threat of force is made if you properly say I'll stop this and right away it may be that that merely means a new set of attacks and they continually set of attacks until such time as you have no option except to fight this was what happened when Hitler threatened dancing everyone said by die for dancing he got it then Czechoslovakia after Clyde diaper Czechoslovakia came near Lake and the next thing was World War two. I think that was quite one thing to say we don't feel a thing on this it's quite another thing to say when it gets out of the fourth stage we will discuss our policy rationally and sanely and do what has to be done stand so you go I'm going to take the trip back from N.Y.U. law to the United States if you don't my pleasure verily would you call a Liberal Party a true third party in the American political situation in the national sense it is not going does not proport to be as I say it really is been a division of the Democratic Party of which means that it can go off the reservation but it considers the issue especially important and so it hatched. There is not from the moment a truly national third party nor is the Liberal Party tried to create one would you agree with certain observers who say that a national third party is necessary in the United States I personally do not think I ought to say this both parties Republican and Democratic are essential a coalitions of the forty nine state parties which make them up. These coalitions are made every four years now it may be that the time will come when a particular group of state parties don't have anything in common with either one I'm not sure whether some of the deep southern states on their white citizens policy may not be rapidly getting into that position now then you'd have a third party but not in the sense you mean one third party contending alright but a sexual party they come they go and eventually they die out it's over sir a group of prominent Republicans scares me happened recently stated that the election of a Democratic Congress would result in a nationalization of private industry and the advent of socialism in general now as a prominent Democrat How would you refute these charges the prominent Republicans were respectively President Eisenhower Vice President Nixon was to meet our current chairman of the Republican Party and the outstanding leaders in the side of the house by immediate emotion is how stupid can you get. I was a member of President Roosevelt's brain trust this tried to work at the socialism they