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Admiral Ayalon on the Two-State Solution

Tuesday, March 11, 2014

Ami Ayalon, former commander of the Israeli Navy and former director of the security service Shin Bet, explains why he supports a two-state solution and what role American Jews have in the resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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Comments [25]

jgarbuz from Queens

To Laila

Too bad Arabs made the mistake of settling on Jewish land. Jews made the same mistake in Germany and Poland.

Mar. 11 2014 06:51 PM
Laila from New York

The idea of a two-state solution in Palestine was destroyed by successive Israeli governments. The Israelis’ refusal to compromise and their constant encroachment on the Palestinian territories which were supposed to be part of a Palestinian state has made this solution moot. Now it seems that the Israeli settlements in the West bank connected by Israeli-only roads and highways have turned what was supposed to be a future Palestinian state into checkerboard “Bantustans”. The present and future domination of Israel in this so-called Palestinian “State” through control of their underground water, air space and sea water is nothing but unacceptable to Palestinians, who are not supposed to have an army for their defense, etc. And this would continue to make them “sitting ducks” to any and all strikes that Israel pleases. In addition, there is the inalienable right of the Palestinians to return to their lands if they so choose, no matter what Abbas or Kerry or Netanyahu would agree to in the future. This right is embedded in a United Nations resolution and not even the people concerned can give it up. It is ludicrous that only Palestinians, the victims, should give up and forget about their old houses, orchards and other properties, etc. which were taken away (stolen) from them, not only when they were chased out by the pre-Israel “Haganah” but also by the later Israeli courts who appropriated their properties on the false pretext that they were abandoned by their legal owners. The solution now is one state. The Israelis and their supporters who want peace in the Middle East should start working on this solution before it is too late, as it is for two states.

Mar. 11 2014 03:25 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Taher

Oil will become as cheap as salt by mid-century. The Arabs will need Israeli knowledge even more as their oil becomes increasingly irrelevant.

Mar. 11 2014 12:58 PM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

A little more information for hysterics and emotionalists. Givot Olam has discovered oil and gas in the West Bank.Who is going to let go of the West Bank? Israel and Palestine are wed together till eternity. Amen.

Mar. 11 2014 12:34 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

To Taher

Eventually, Iran and Israel will become friends again, and the Arabs will be put in their proper place, back to Arabia. Iran for the Persians; Israel for the Jews; Arabia for the Arabs. Everyone where they belong.

Mar. 11 2014 12:32 PM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

The bottom line here is which country in the Middle East can or will impose hegemony? Will Israel or Iran. Most of the Arab states are in shambles. Arabs have attempted to change corrupt governments leading to violence and countries dismembering themselves. Also, America’s war in Iraq virtually destroyed that country leading to more chaos.
The fact is Israel can no longer afford to maintain absolute domination of the Palestinians. The Palestinian population is growing much faster then Israel and that becomes unaffordable. Added is the huge cost of maintaining and supporting a growing orthodox Israeli population that dose not want to work. Where is the money going to come from to support a huge military complex, a huge security apparatus and a growing part of the public not wanting to be part of the economy?

Meanwhile Iran may have 15% of the world gas reserves to be exploited by world economies. Including Europe which is being held hostage by Russia over the Ukrainian crisis. Can any one tell me how can Israel stop a deal with Iran when we are talking about this huge resource that world economy needs?

Mar. 11 2014 12:10 PM
MikeInBk from Clinton Hill

I believe it is the duty of journalists like Brian to point out the hypocrisy of Israel's indignation about it neighbors seeking to put themselves on equal footing with it.

Mar. 11 2014 11:56 AM
MikeInBk from Clinton Hill

It always frustrate me how Brian seems to downplay Israel's possession of nuclear weapons in these discussions. Iran's nuclear program is a threat but Israel's covert acquisition and development of nuclear weapons is innocent and benign to Middle East stability? Is this Brian's position?

Mar. 11 2014 11:48 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The true TWO state solution: Israel for the Jews. The Jordan river as the border between the Jews and the Arabs just as the Rio Grande is the border between the US and Mexico. Jordan is eastern Palestine and the natural Palestinian state.

Mar. 11 2014 11:45 AM
Pauline Park from Queens

I love Brian & his show, but describing J-Street as a 'progressive' organization is like describing George W. Bush as a 'progressive' president. J-Street supports Israeli apartheid just like AIPAC, just a kinder, gentler version of Israeli apartheid. Ami Ayalon is being either disingenuous in defending the two-state solution or just plain delusional, because it's not going to happen. All of the focus on the two-state solution is a deliberate attempt by the Obama administration & the Netanyahu government to distract attention from the fact that the latter has already embarked on a de facto annexation of the West Bank & ethnic cleansing of East Jerusalem. Israel faces two choices now: either justice & equality in a single state (the 'one-state solution') or construction & maintenance of a permanent anti-democratic apartheid regime.

Mar. 11 2014 11:40 AM
gloria from NY

Since the USA supports an Israelis Estate, why doesn't the USA allow them to come here and create a State. Palestine to the Palestinians because the Palestinian people will never be treated fairly by the Israelis.

Mar. 11 2014 11:37 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Great! That's the key to peace. Let in another 6 million Arabs into "Palestine." That will bring peace. Sure. Really brilliant. I call it insanity.

Mar. 11 2014 11:37 AM
XYZ from NYC

I think the term "peace process" is an insult to the English language. I have listened carefully for the last 35 years and I used to take sides. Now I don't think this mess will ever be solved. It's a historical mess propped up by big money interests and professional victims. Good luck to them. I'm turning off the radio now.

Mar. 11 2014 11:34 AM
jd

Strange, isn't it, that Palestinians are required to acknowledge the right to a Jewish state, but a Palestinian state is something Palestinians are required to "earn", thanks to the Israeli occupation, by satisfying an escalating series of requirements which Israel knows full well are beyond the pale -- and in the face of outright refusals by many in the Israeli government to even pretend that they'll ever allow an autonomous Palestinian state.

By this is the charade we play here in the U.S., year after year. Just imagine if the tables were turned, and it was the Palestinians occupying Israel for 40+ years....

Mar. 11 2014 11:32 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Oh, great, so 6 million "Palestinians" will be able to pour across the Jordan river to join the 6 million Arabs already living there to make it 12 million "Palestinians" versus the 6 million Jews. Sure, that will bring peace. Rest In Peace, Jewish state! You were nice while you lasted, all of 65 years.

Mar. 11 2014 11:32 AM
Putinly

Crimeans and Palestinian Arabs -- similarities?

Mar. 11 2014 11:30 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

The comments I predicted from the usuals are right on cue but I need some more J-street bashing. Come on John from "office" - you are late to the party.

Let's hear how J-street is another example of "soft-lefty Jews", endangering the tribe with their idealistic naivete.

Mar. 11 2014 11:29 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Will NPR ever invite Minister Bennett to appear with Brian, or does NPR only give Leftists the right to the microphone?

Mar. 11 2014 11:29 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

To ED

With all due respect to the Papa, he should run his own Catholic Vatican state as he sees fit, and let the Jewish state run its own affairs as it sees fit.

Mar. 11 2014 11:26 AM
Ed from Larchmont

But how can there be a two-state solution if the Palestinians never recognize the Jewish state?

Mar. 11 2014 11:25 AM
Ed from Larchmont

When Pope Benedict was in Israel a few years ago he spoke on behalf of the goal of a two-state solution. Pope Francis is planning to go to Israel late this spring, I hope there isn't too much unrest.

Mar. 11 2014 11:20 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

True peace with the Muslim ARabs is a mirage. A delusion. An impossibility. Israel must never give back one grain of sand of this tiny liberated Jewish land to mortal enemies no matter what these neo-bolshevik renegades say. They got theirs in North Tel Aviv, and now want to give the rest back to those who will cut their throats. Joseph's brothers sold him to the Ishmaelite slave traders out of envy.

Mar. 11 2014 11:01 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

A brave soldier, a great public servant and an important voice - LOL, even if he is a Labor party kibbutznik.

Mar. 11 2014 11:01 AM
steve from Upper west side

I heard Ami Ayalon speak last night -- he's smart, articulate, and wise! I didn't agree with everything he said, but he's got the right idea -- ANYTHING short of a full peace via a two-state solution is automatic suicide for Israel. The pre-1967 lines (with give and take trade-offs) is the ONLY possible and logical way to achieve peace, and we can use money instead of violence. Pay reparations to the Palestinians to appease their "right of return" land claims, and pay compensation to the Settlers to leave their illegal settlements, and you have an amazing opportunity for a true peace between two contiguous, independent and free states along the pre-1967 lines. There is no longer any choice -- both Israel and Palestine with either thrive together or die together. Pure and simple reality. But if both have hope for a bright future, both peoples will work for betterment, and the violence will END... they may not love each other, but they won't kill each other and lose their own souls in the process.

Mar. 11 2014 10:56 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I support the Bennett Plan, where Israel annexes Area C while Areas A & B unite with Jordan to become the Palestinian state. Any retreat to the '49 Armistice line is suicide for Israel.

Mar. 11 2014 09:49 AM

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