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PLO to the USA

Tuesday, October 19, 2010

Ambassador Maen Rashid Areikat, PLO Representative to the US, addresses the Palestinian political situation and weighs in on the Obama administration's efforts to advance the peace process.

Guests:

Maen Rashid Areikat

Comments [43]

gary from queens

Kate from Bed Stuy:

WELL SAID! And don't forget that no one is complaining about palestinians building settlements in the disputed territories.

Just another example of the the double standard on "ourtrage."

Oct. 19 2010 12:03 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Israel would consider itself LUCKY if any future Palestinian state became as relatively peaceful and nonthreatening as Mexico is alongside the USA! If the only problems ISrael faced in the future were illegal immigrants and drug trafficking, that would be the least of its problems.

Oct. 19 2010 11:56 AM
JP from NJ

To clarify comparison of Mexico’s drug war to us, that’s 24000+ dead in Mexico’s drug war over the last 4 years and 40,000+ murdered in the USA over the same amount of time.

Oct. 19 2010 11:03 AM
Gary from queens

I posted these articles because there was no pro israel guest on the show.

Brian: Without counterpoint, you are not fair and balanced.

Oct. 19 2010 11:01 AM
JP from NJ

Here’s a little fact to bring things into perspective. An average of 13,000+ Americans are murdered every year in USA. That’s a higher rate then people dying in Mexico’s drug war for the last 4 years. How many people died this year in the Israeli and Palestinian over this conflict? There’s places in America that are down right scary and most if not all the people on this board have never been to or would certainly never live in. Both sides of this Israeli and Palestinian conflict have gone on for decades and it seems at the end of the day neither side really wants peace and neither side wants to budge. They are both really good at justifying as to why they don’t want to budge. Time to let the rest of world deal with this one. We need to use all our resources at home because we have our own war on our own turf to deal with.

Oct. 19 2010 10:59 AM
gary from queens

Obama is supplying the bullets to Israel's enemies. Israelis are getting killed as a result. the familes should sue the US and Obama. That is what arab families are doing. what's good for the goose....

w w w .carolineglick.com/e/2010/08/israels-made-in-america-enemie.php

Oct. 19 2010 10:56 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

I think we have to accept that both sides are quite satisfied with the status quo. The Muslim side will never accept a Jewish state, and Israel will never give up Jerusalem and the small bits of territory surrounding it.

Alas, rumors of peace that echo within the tunnel at the end of which is presumably "the light" are just that. Rumors. Unfortunately.

Oct. 19 2010 10:54 AM
gary from queens

irrefutable arguments:

w w w .washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/20/AR2010082004682.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Many possible Israeli concessions would be suicidal
By George F. Will
Sunday, August 22, 2010

EXCERPT
Twenty-one Israeli settlements were dismantled; even the bodies of Israelis buried in Gaza were removed. After a deeply flawed 2006 election encouraged by the United States, there was in 2007 essentially a coup in Gaza by the terrorist organization Hamas. So now Israel has on its western border, 44 miles from Tel Aviv, an entity dedicated to Israel's destruction, collaborative with Iran and possessing a huge arsenal of rockets.

Oct. 19 2010 10:54 AM
VG from NJ

Brian, you need to challenge your guest when he gives the fairytale figures about construction and settlers.
Why is it that Ahmadinejad can stand a few feet away from the border between Lebanon and Israel and point blank say that Israel will be annihilated without you or anyone else denounce that?
Why is it that the World community allows such declarations without throwing out Iran from the UN?
What country would tolerate such declaration of war?
Isn't this sufficient proof why Israel, the Jewish State, must strengthen its borders!

Oct. 19 2010 10:51 AM
gary

if this article doesn't say it all, try this: Abbas announced after this article was published that he would never recognize a jewish state.

Then why is obama forcing israel to negotiate?

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245555/these-talks-are-doomed-mona-charen

September 3, 2010 12:00 A.M.
These Talks Are Doomed:
Before peace can come, Palestine’s culture must be changed.

Oct. 19 2010 10:48 AM
gary from queens

Abbas easily gets out of the talks, blaming Israel, which the world will swallow whole. The PA continues to get millions from the US taxpayer to fund it's failed "wanna be state". Where's the incentive for them to recognize a jewish state?!

w w w .washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/09/AR2010090904999.html

Oct. 19 2010 10:45 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

It's quite amazing how Israel, and liberal Jews, have pushed for Muslim Turkey to be accepted into the European Union,and have pushed hard for Muslim Kosovo to be separated from Christian Serbia and Kosovo be accepted as another independent Muslim state in the heart of Europe, and yet the liberals shy away from Israel being accepted as a Jewish State in the mostly Muslim Middle East. Muslim states have been accepted in the heart of formerly Christian Europe, and yet the concept of a Jewish state remains an anathema to them!?!?

Oct. 19 2010 10:44 AM

jgarbuz
on Ground Zero?

Oct. 19 2010 10:42 AM
gary from queens

Short and simple, for the dummies who still don't get it. ---gary

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/evelyn-gordon/358321

How Misreading Hamas’s Motive Undermines Prospects for Peace
Evelyn Gordon - 09.16.2010 - 10:53 AM

Oct. 19 2010 10:40 AM
gary from queens

the idiots in the white house must go.

The Latest on the Peace Talks – And the Back Story They’re Not Telling You
Posted by Rob Miller Oct 1st 2010 at 9:27 am

http://bigpeace.com/robmiller/2010/10/01/the-latest-on-the-peace-talks-and-the-back-story-theyre-not-telling-you/

Oct. 19 2010 10:38 AM
gary from queens

US Secretary of State Hillary confirmed something that's become all too obvious. While the Obama Administration is insisting that the current Israeli government keep its prior committments,even committments the Israeli cabinet never signed on to, it has no intention whatsoever of honoring its own to Israel.

Friday, June 05, 2009
Hillary Clinton: 'Israel, Bush administration had no agreement over settlements'
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/hillary-clinton-israel-bush.html

Oct. 19 2010 10:35 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

to Zeggae of NJ

You mean the same white liberal JEWS who pushed to change the US immigration laws in 1965 that enabled millions of Muslims to come to the US and become American citizens, and who now lead the propaganda blitzkrieg against the Jewish State, while demanding a mosque on Ground Zero.

Oct. 19 2010 10:34 AM
gary from queens

EXCERPT:
While awaiting redemption, Balata's Palestinian residents are prohibited, by the Palestinian Authority, from building homes outside the camp's official boundaries. They do not vote on municipal issues and receive no PA funding for roads or sanitation. As part of Prime Minister Salam Fayyad's "economic renaissance" and state-building project, a brand new Palestinian city named Rawabi is planned for the West Bank near Bethlehem. But there will be no room at the inn for the Balata refugees. Sixty years after the first Arab-Israeli war, Balata might accurately be defined as a UN-administered, quasi-apartheid, welfare ghetto.

This historical and political absurdity—unique in the experience of the world's tens of millions of refugees displaced by modern war and political conflict—helps explain why Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas walked away from the best deal his people have ever been offered. It happened in November 2008, when Ehud Olmert, then the prime minister of Israel, presented him with a detailed map of a future Palestinian state that, with land swaps, would constitute close to 100 percent of the territory of the West Bank and Gaza prior to the June 1967 war. Olmert also offered to divide Jerusalem, enabling the Palestinians to locate their capital in the eastern half of the city. The only thing he would not agree to was a right of return for Palestinian refugees—for the obvious reason that this would mean the end of the Jewish state.
END EXCERPT

Oct. 19 2010 10:33 AM
gary from queens

Who is responsible for the continued existance of palestinians living in the squalor of refugee camps?
Who is responsible for obstructing peace?
ANSWER: The PLO, the Arab states, and the UN.

September 28, 2010
Mr. Abbas, Tear Down This Wall!
By Sol Stern
w w w .jewishideasdaily.com/content/module/2010/9/28/main-feature/1/mr-abbas-tear-down-this-wall

and read how the whole UN refugee sham began:

w w w .jidaily.com/eh8iD
Autumn 5766 / 2005, no. 22
The UN’s Palestinian Refugee Problem
By Arlene Kushner
How to solve their plight and end the half-century-long crisis.

Oct. 19 2010 10:32 AM
Tamara in brooklyn from Park Slope

Wow - this PLO talking snake is oily!

How sad that the Muslim and Arab world with land, resources and population vastly larger than tiny Israel (the size of New Jersey) on the one hand can't tolerate a non-Muslim state in their midst and on the other hand need Israel to blame all their tyrannies failures, crimes against humanity - including their own people and oppression of minorities.

If Israel, the tiny democracy with it's thousands of years of rich history of Jewish residence and culture didn't exist, the Islamist/Arab world would have to create it so it can focus it's anger, hate and most importantly blame for it's owned failed societies.

And what a pathetic insult that the Israel-bashers desperately try to glom on to South Africa in order to sling their shifty propaganda

As an African American I see right through this Orwellian sleaze. south Africa has nothing on Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Syria and several other Islamic / Arab countries.

Oct. 19 2010 10:31 AM
gary from queens

http://backspin.typepad.com/backspin/2010/07/hate-mail-from-the-unrwa.html

Monday, July 26 2010
Hate Mail -- From the UNRWA

read how corrupt and anti israel UNRWA is. read how they keep palestinians in squalor.

Oct. 19 2010 10:29 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

Having failed to eliminate the Jewish State after 90 years of war and terror, they now have turned to a massive Pale-propaganda war in the hopes that the Jewish State can be beaten down, or marginalized by "world opinion."

This modern propaganda blitzkrieg will FAIL as well! The JEWISH STATE is here to stay, and the phony war based on twisted facts and misinformation will fare no better in the long run for them. Only full recognition of the JEWISH STATE can bring the Arab Palestinians a peaceful homeland alongside it!

Oct. 19 2010 10:26 AM
V. Grosz from Springfield, NJ

Your guest and the government he represents, already came to the conclusion that there cannot be agreements with the Israelis because they refuse to accept the existence of Israel as a Jewish State.
Today more than ever when Iran, a member of the UN, threatens to destroy the Jewish State another member of the UN, Israel needs to have unconditional assurance of safe borders.

Oct. 19 2010 10:25 AM
dba from nyc

Agree with Vickale from NYC:

The reason for the Palestenian refugee problem is rooted in the Arab rejection of a Palestenian state as stipulated by the UN partition plan in 1947. The Jews accepted the plan, but the Arab states initiated a war instead. They gambled, and they lost. They repeated the same mistake in 2000, when Arafat rejected the multiple offers from Ehud Barak and Clinton.

Ironically, we are now talking about a Palestenian state in the West Bank and Gaza, previously held by Jordan and Egypt, respectively, and neither of which ever saw it in their hearts to grant Palestenians a state in those areas.

Oct. 19 2010 10:23 AM
Expose Islamist Hypocrites from Oslo

There are 56 - fifty six - Muslim countries in the world - in every one of them, non-Muslims, women and GLBTQ are second and third class citizens...

It's so transparently sleazy for the anti-Israel propganda machine and their puppets on the far left to whine about Israel being a Jewish state.

Muslims, especially women and GLBTQ, in Israel have more rights than have in most Arab countries where gender apartheid, cruel oppression of GLBTQ and the harrassment of religious minorities is daily routine.

14 centuries of brutal Islamist (raidcal Islam) butchering crusades, imperialism, colonialism, and land grabs have not had a good effect on peaceful coexistence which should be our highest value.

Oct. 19 2010 10:22 AM
Agreeing with Zeggae from Woodside

Right on! Why are these people quoting the Bible. I thought we were living in 2010.

Oct. 19 2010 10:21 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

There are 1.2 million "Palestinians" living as CITIZENS of Israel (21% of the overall population), with full voting rights and civil rights, but the Palestinians will not accept the possibility of a few hundred thousands of Jews in any future Palestinian state! And the Arab states have ethnically cleansed 98% of their Jews out of the Arab countries after 1948! There are 5 times as many "Palestinians" living in "Palestine" today as there were in 1948.
The Arabs are the true ethnic cleansers!

Oct. 19 2010 10:21 AM
The Truth from Becky

The middle east conflict has been going on for ages...there is no resolution. The USA should not spend so much time and money getting in the middle.

Oct. 19 2010 10:19 AM
Robert from NYC

It is about creating obstacles. I don't believe Israel wants a Palestinian state. I don't believe that that's what all Israeli's want but the present government does.
The whole thing smells bad as it has always done.
Finally someone who articulates it as well as Hanan Ashrawi used to do. He's got it right.

Oct. 19 2010 10:19 AM
Expose Islamist Hypocrites from Oslo

Palestinian Leaders Denying Reality, Delaying Peace

In 2007, Palestinian chief negotiator Saeb Erekat declared: "No state in the world connects its national identity to its religious identity." Perhaps Mr. Erekat could explain why we have countries whose formal names include the Islamic Republic of Iran, the Islamic Republic of Mauritania, and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Islam is also the official religion in Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Brunei, Comoros, Indonesia, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Maldives, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.

Oct. 19 2010 10:18 AM
zeggae from nj

The same white liberals who said they "opposed" apartheid, "horrified" by the Sudanese government actions in Dafur, are the biggest cheerleaders for the occupation, colonialization and oppression of the Palestinians. If you believe in the notion of freedom and soverignty support these peoples right to self determination.
Of course Brian will read from the AIPAC script bcuz WNYC fall pledge is upcoming.

Oct. 19 2010 10:16 AM

brian
http://www.theglobaleducationproject.org/mideast/info/maps/west-bank-2003-map.jpg

Oct. 19 2010 10:16 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The reason why the PLO will not recognize Israel as the Jewish state because they intend to turn the State of Israel into the State of Ishmael over time!

Oct. 19 2010 10:16 AM
Marty K. from Woodside

I understand how the Palestinians would feel about this-- if Israel is a "Jewish state" then every Moslem is a second-class citizen.

Oct. 19 2010 10:15 AM
Vickale from NYC

Why did the Palestinians not accept the UN partition in 1947 and 1948 -- which also led to the arab refugee problem? The handling of the refugees by other arab states and the UN has kept these 'refugees' in camps.

Oct. 19 2010 10:15 AM
RLewis from the Bowery

The true historical narrative is something that can be addressed later. Make peace first.

If both sides keep going back in time, there will never be agreement. Let's settle the future first. Then you can go back and haggle over the past.

Come on, both sides, enough of dragging down the rest of the world. You're both self-centered pains in the arse, and have brought on a well-deserved pox on both your houses.

Oct. 19 2010 10:15 AM
Megan D. from Cambridge, MA

Grandstanding and Ambivalence by Abbas Holding Up Progress on Peace

It is annoyingly predictable. When progress towards Israeli-Palestinian peace emerges, Mahmoud Abbas issues demands and threats, while world leaders scramble to appease him. This is the third time in 2010 alone that he has played this game.
The solution to reviving the direct talks, for the second time in less than two months, lies not with Israel but with Abbas, whose grandstanding and ambivalence hinders progress and harms the very people whom he serves. And the surest way to change Abbas is for the U.S. and other world leaders to stop playing his game, making every effort to appease him, but, instead, firmly remind the Palestinians that the only sound path to peace and a state will be found when they engage Israel in direct talks.

Oct. 19 2010 10:14 AM
jgarbuz from Queens

The reason why the PLO will not recognize Israel as the Jewish state because they intend to turn the State of Israel into the State of Ishmael over time! The UN in 1948 AUTHORIZED a "Jewish State" (exact words) in UNGAR 181, on November 29th, 1947! SO the words "Jewish State" were integral part of its UN-authorization!

The Palestinians want a new "Palestinian state" but refuse to accept Israel as the homeland of the JEWISH people. I accept Ireland as the homeland of the Irish people, and Germany as the homeland of the German people, and Sweden as the homeland of the Swedish people, but the Muslim refuse to accept the NATIONAL rights of the JUDEAN people, for obvious long term reasons.

Oct. 19 2010 10:13 AM
Omatunde from Willamsburgh

Nearly 63 years after the UN recognized the right of the Jewish people to independence in their homeland, the Palestinians are still denying the Jewish nature of the state. Why should it matter? Because mutual acceptance is essential if both peoples are to live side by side in two states in genuine and lasting peace.
So much of Palestinian identity as a people has coalesced around denying that same status to Jews. Reconciling with the Jewish state means that the two-state solution is not a two-stage solution leading, as many Palestinians hope, to Israel's dissolution. Recognition of Israel as the Jewish state would prove that the Palestinians are serious about peace

Oct. 19 2010 10:12 AM
Susan

The true historical narrative is important because it often get swept under the rug.

Oct. 19 2010 10:12 AM
Kate from Bed Stuy

Why did the Palestinians terminate the Arab-Israeli peace talks? The justification cited was the Israeli refusal to extend the moratorium they had put on construction in the settlements. It is a phantom excuse, the product of heavy-handed U.S. intervention. Both the Israelis and Palestinians have negotiated for almost 20 years without settlement construction becoming a fundamental impediment. A peace agreement was achieved with Egypt without prohibiting settlements. The Palestinians signed the Oslo Accords without a moratorium on settlements and even acknowledged that Israel would be building on the West Bank. All of the Israeli construction put together doesn't even cover 2% of the West Bank.
When Obama spoke repeatedly for a construction freeze in the West Bank as a public condition for the renewal of talks, it turned the settlement freeze from a dignified wish into a threshold demand that needed to be met in full. It also set a bar that made it impossible for the Palestinians to compromise. Abbas cannot be less Palestinian than the U.S. president. Why did the U.S. tolerate Abbas' spending the first nine months of the settlement construction freeze equivocating? Then the president publicly demanded an extension ahead of the 10 months, thereby rewarding the Palestinian Liberation Organization for its delay.

Oct. 19 2010 10:10 AM
mgdu from manhattan

brian--

please approach this interview with respect for the key underlying fact that, as The New York Times put it on Sunday, "virtually the entire international community opposes the settlements. The vast majority of governments accept what the United Nations and the International Court of Justice in The Hague have declared--that the settlements violate international law.

--mgdu

Oct. 19 2010 09:57 AM
simpsonsmovieblew

In lots of governments, officials who work with other governments, even living in other countries, are treated with ambivalence or worse by their fellow officials who have no exposure to "foreigners." I'm curious as to the level of respect or understanding that you can count on from your own colleagues and stakeholders. Have you been threatened by the people you represent? If so, by who and for doing what? Is this changing? Is it a risk?

Oct. 19 2010 09:41 AM

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