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Women in the Church

Wednesday, October 13, 2010

Lisa Millerthe religion editor at Newsweek and author of Heaven :Our Enduring Fascination With the Afterlife discusses her recent article about women and the Catholic church. Also, Margarethe von Trotta, Director of Vision: From the Life of Hildegard von Bingendiscusses her biopic of 12th century magistra Hildegard von Bingen.

Guests:

Lisa Miller and Margarethe von Trotta

Comments [17]

Anna from NY, NY

Unfortunately, Lisa Miller has no credibility where the Catholic Church is concerned. She views the world through an idealogical lens and as a result, distorts reality. For an excellent critique of her take on Hildegard see:
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2010/10/13/benedict-the-first-fruits/
and:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/10/when-biases-trump-brains-ii-lisa-miller-stumbles-again/#comment-229010

Oct. 16 2010 01:55 AM
Anna from NY, NY

Unfortunately, Lisa Miller has no credibility where the Catholic Church is concerned. She views the world through an idealogical lens and as a result, distorts reality. For an excellent critique of her take on Hildegard see:
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2010/10/13/benedict-the-first-fruits/
and:
http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/10/when-biases-trump-brains-ii-lisa-miller-stumbles-again/#comment-229010

Oct. 16 2010 01:49 AM
Ed from Larchmont

The Church has been given the task of defending and announcing the revelation of God to man. This is the most serious task in the world since it involves people's eternal life. The Church has the Bible, the deposit of faith, but it also has recourse to Jesus, the head of the Church, and to the Holy Spirit, who is in the Church and is the life of the Church. The Church examined Scripture and prayed over this current issue, which is an issue of our time, as it does with other issues, and decided that there was no Scriptural basis for ordaining women: there is no evidence that Jesus ordained women, though He could have. And the priesthood in the Old Covenant was restricted to men (of one tribe). And then in prayer they asked God for guidance and they felt that the response was no. The Church is the Church of Jesus Christ, it's not the Church of the Vatican or the pope, they have to do all they can to do the will of Christ and the Holy Spirit, and their conclusion from study and prayer was 'We don't see that we have any authority to allow the ordination of women'. We can consider the reasons why God would restrict the ministerial priesthood to men, and we can find many. For example, out of poverty, men must depend on women for more people, children, and women must depend on men for the Sacraments. This interdependence is a sign of beauty. This is to give a brief answer to the person who asked why the Church has this restriction. About Archbishop Dolan, he is responsible for his archdiocese. That another bishop liked the film is nice, but he has to make sure for himself before he promotes it in his archdiocese. Also, the film maker had made a film about Rosa Luxembourg, which makes it more important that he see that the film isn't using the subject to promote incorrect ideas. So why not let the film go through the usual channels?

Oct. 15 2010 08:14 AM

The movie's distributors are no doubt saying an appreciative "thank you" to the NY Catholic hierarchy for drawing attention to what had to be an obscure film about someone hardly known outside the early music world. HIldegard's music has been rediscovered by several vocal ensembles whose recordings are must listens. Check out: Anonymous 4, Sequentia or Gothic Voices. Or just put Hildegard into the Amazon search bar (classical music).

Oct. 13 2010 12:18 PM

becky
true. shame they had no human rights back then when those old men wrote that one.

Oct. 13 2010 12:06 PM
The Truth from Becky

Woo not touching this one...but you can't rewrite the Bible.

Oct. 13 2010 11:37 AM
Carolita

I don't think it's accurate to say that hildegarde crerated the first female cloisters. Women were creating unofficial monastic groups on their own quite early in Christianity, without the sanction of the pope, -- often accused of heresy, too, for their trouble-- long before convents became the norm, headed by men. There was no one woman responsible, no one leader to take credit for the idea. That was what differentiated women from the men.

Oct. 13 2010 11:09 AM
Lauren

In response to Em...

...and there is no place for the Catholic Church in secular life, or in politics.

Oct. 13 2010 11:08 AM
Em

There is no place for women in the Church. Read Paul. Get over it. Happy Navratri!

Oct. 13 2010 10:58 AM
Lauren

In response to Catherine...

...yes, but how old are these women? This is just anecdotal, but I know very women who are my age (I'm 33) who are still interested in being involved in the Catholic Church.

Oct. 13 2010 10:56 AM
Catherine from Fairfield

People often forget that most Catholics are women! If you go to mass you see predominently women in attendance. A lot of Catholic women like the church the way it is and don't necessarily want to see it change.

Oct. 13 2010 10:54 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Hildegaard von Bingen was a mystic, and is highly regarded. A few years ago her writings were widely read.

Oct. 13 2010 10:53 AM
jm

If the archdiocese of NY is displeased, I always take this as a good sign.

Oct. 13 2010 10:53 AM

Yeah Ed, we know.

But WHY?

Oh yeah, that's right! Woman must always be totally controlled by the men who own them and the babies they make! Silly me, how could I forget that!

Oct. 13 2010 10:26 AM
Lauren

In response to Ed...

...which is one of the reasons that the Catholic Church is becoming less and less relevant as society progresses and modernizes.

Oct. 13 2010 10:21 AM

people who trust science don't need myths

Oct. 13 2010 09:07 AM
Ed from Larchmont

Women are not allowed to be ordained in the Catholic Church, the penalty for doing so is excommunication. There are two great dimensions in the Church, the Petrine (the hierarchy), and the Marian, as Pope John Paul II taught us.

Oct. 13 2010 08:30 AM

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