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Scott Ott, cohost of PJTV's Trifecta, and blogger Markos Moulitsas Zuniga discuss this Tuesday's primaries in Pennsylvania, Arkansas, and Kentucky.
There are not enough pejorative words to describe the abject stupidity of people who call themselves 'straight down the line liberals'. You're in the wrong country. If you don't understand why the Democrat Party is losing, why the country is persistently 60%+ Conservative, why the Tea Party was formed, why Obama has <50% approval rating (and even that leans heavily on his 'personal appeal'), and so forth, you have no business talking about politics.
Scott brought the knowledge. Markos brought the party talking points.
Why does the BL show opt for partisan interruption style bickering over choosing guests that can argue a point without just spouting partisan talking points. Most of this discussion has been making sure the guests get the political jabs in with little to no substance.
To the guest who defended the importance of polls:
Polls do *not* reflect the "pulse of the people" (or whatever the phrase was that was used). They are someone's best guess, based on the responses of people to questions which cannot reliably be tested, about who might win the election, and the models on which they are based contain idealizations and other ways of dealing with complexity and the unknowns, something that's necessary, but which reduces their accuracy and usefulness.
Moreover the polls influence the election because they are so widely quoted at all stages of the political process---it's not just exit polling any more. If half the time spent talking about polls and who is ahead at what time in the race were spent talking about issues and problems and the skills and voting record and other matters really relevant to governing, we would be much better off.
Scott doesn't know anything about how representative government is supposed to work (or constitutional law or history). Maybe he inhabits that 'real' America that Sarah Palin talks about. It is where everyone looks the same (like the entire Congressional republican delegation).
I'm not a big Arlen Spectre fan....
I would hope listeners can near the difference between the hyped-up hardline , simplistic ideologue Scott Ott versus the strategic Moulitsas. They are *not* similar guests . Moulitsas is interested in having his idea of pro-populist ("progressive") candidate win primaries and elections while Scott Ott wants to repeat his ideas as though they were everybody's ideas, rather than even focus on candidates.I don't think this was at all a good programming choice if the idea was to match like with like.And Scott Ott scares me (how many listeners find him compelling? hmmm, a bad thought.)
getting money out of government elections is critical to the survival of our government.
as time goes on we are becoming more and more beholden to people who have and control money, that takes away from "We the people.." and makes us "We the folks...."
briani'm enjoying this lively debate
Probably would have had these 2 in different segments, I stop listening when it becomes too much of an argument.
@ Mem from Q
Yes, they're both pretty insufferable. (Though I find Kos a little more so, so it's not "fair and balanced").
I guess I just connected with his point.
Check that.. they're both smug.
Interesting - I'm a straight-down-the-line liberal, however I find myself agreeing more with the PJ-TV guy (Scott something?) when he says politics shouldn't just be a "fantasy football league for geeks."
I think the echo chamber and the reflexivity in the political/media vortex does cause irrational anger.
And Kos is coming off as an information mandarin - the "geek" Scott refers to.
Of course, I part ways with the Tea Party when they get to any actual policy, and their general know-nothing-ism.
What would happen if every US employee became a union member? Then union workers would be trying to gain financial advantage over other union workers.
Thanks for providing some balance – both of your guests were equally unappealing. They somehow managed to be both lock-step ideologues and mealy-mouthed wafflers. This segment was more suitable for cable news, and it illuminated nothing about the state of the major parties, other than the fact that dogmatic commentators don't add much to the political discussion.
That markos guy.. can he be more smug? seriously.
We're talking lives when we talk about health care but Scott Ott -- who happily slanders people he opposes -- supports health insurers at the expense of 300 million Americans. So who is supporting special interests?
it's NY-23 all over again.thanks GOP
It’s self-serving from the right to say that labor unions have access to the same amount of money as the Corporate State. In reality the Teabaggers are nothing more then shills for the Cooperate State.
it's interesting that Brian lets the Markos skirt answering questions directly, but keeps pressure on Scott. I guess I shouldnt be surprised. LOL.
Excuse me? Everyone agrees that big government and high taxes are bad? Hardly!
The difference between corporate interest and union interest is that unions advocate on behalf of people, actual human beings, while corporations represent the best interest (ie, profits) of the abstract entity that is a company, even if that means promoting policy that harms all the individuals who work at the company.
Scott needs to speak for himself. Not everyone wants smaller government.
In the USA I see it as Big Government vs. Big Business. As a democracy, the government should represent the will of the people. Big Business almost NEVER represents the will of the people. Remember Enron?
What is the government doing in this country that has hurt the people as much as corporations have?
unions represent PEOPLE; this is very different from corporate interests.. why is everybody afraid of stating the obvious?????
Walmart has many billions more than SEIU, for one thing. And Walmart operates for the interests of the Walton family. SEIU represents 2.2 million people -- that's more people than MANY states.
Your right-wing crypto-fascist guest needs to check his facts.
Please ask guests if candidates take lobbyists money once in office, how are these politicians going to be even remotely different then the politicians that are there now?
I am so tired of hearing the word "liberty" coming out of the mouths of conservatives.
Won't it be delightfully ironic if -- when -- the Tea Party crowd ousts Scott Brown in 2012?
Neutral?! It's a sign of how conservative our country has become that Blanche Lincoln can be called a centrist.
Lincoln has a very consistent voting record ... in favor of big business at the expense of American voters, in favor of big oil, health insurers, big banks. She has only come around to challenging Wall Street now that she realizes she stands to lose for her past slavishness.
maybe it's time for a centrist party
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