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Footnotes in Gaza

Wednesday, January 20, 2010

Cartoonist-reporter Joe Sacco, presents a sweeping, original investigation of a forgotten crime in Rafah, a town in the Gaza Strip that has been a notorious flashpoint for conflicts. His book Footnotes in Gaza, is a graphic of a 1956 incident that left 111 Palestinians dead, shot by Israeli soldiers—seen from different perspectives.

Event: Joe Sacco will be reading and signing books
Wednesday, January 20, at 7:00 pm
McNally Robinson Booksellers
52 Prince Street

He'll also be reading and signing books
Thursday, January 21, at 7:00 pm
Brooklyn Public Library
10 Grand Army Plaza
Brooklyn

Guests:

Joe Sacco
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Comments [16]

DAT573 from Nathan Projects

We live in the USA and we have a direct
hand in the Israel/Arab Conflict, because
we fund it.

And as a result of American Governments,
both Democrat and Republican unconditional
backing of Israel, we are hated in the large
portion of the world.

We have been attacked for it.

Too much of our ME foreign policy is skewed
in favor of Israel, because our politicians
are afraid of AIPAC and its huge financial
and political clout.

So the Israeli/Arab Conflict is our business.
When Israel bulldozes Palestinian homes,
it does so with Caterpillar bulldozers,
made in the USA.

When Israel attacks the Gaza Strip,
populated with Palestinians, it does so
with American bought and paid for Military
hardware, bombs.

We sell or give it to Israel.

We are responsible.

These are Israeli American war crimes,
the two nations go hand in hand.

Jan. 21 2010 01:40 PM
sanych from NJ

I don't think we - living in the USA - will be able to, or that we even should try to, resolve the Israel-Arab conflict.

The issue that was brought forward at this segment was a book - a graphic novel - and this book, not the overall Middle East conflict, should be the topic of discussion.

I was suggesting in my original posts that this is pure propaganda and suggested a way to look at it. Instead, this became a forum for who is right or wrong, and even more propaganda was distributed ("I am Israel" is a very good example).

Maybe WNYC can look into this topic - propaganda as the new type of warfare and its use by anti-US and anti-Israel activists?

Jan. 20 2010 08:46 PM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

Can all the Zionist and pro Zionist New Yorkers relax? Since the Israeli right wing political establishment has refused to negotiate an eventual Palestinian State, Israel has inherited them.
With an ever-growing Palestinian population they will overwhelm the Jewish population and in turn most Israeli Jews will have one job as guards in a prison called Israel.
Yes, and a few nice hotels in Haifa or Tel Aviv where everything is beautiful for Zionist and nationalist who do not live in Israel.

Jan. 20 2010 03:22 PM
DAT573 from Nathan Strauss Projects

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4gymxY2zM8

Israel was created in 1948, as a land without
people, for a people without land, so goes the
slogan.

However, that clearly was not true.

Our American government is as responsible
for what the Israeli government does,
because we fund it.

We provide Israel with the weapons, cash,
to act in the way it does.

Jan. 20 2010 02:08 PM
Kirsten Jiminiez from Bronx

I'm not sure if the Arabs in Israel are justified into terrorizing Israel and the world so they can have a 23rd Arab state/ 57th Muslim country which almost everyone in the region acknowledges will be used as a launching pad to destroy the tiny Jewish state.

I think what goes unspoken in the Western Media (and certainly in the Third World) is that real deserving peoples' that actually have justification for a separate state, such as the Tibetans or Kurds, who have a distinct National history, language and culture and not just a desire to destroy another country.

The "Palestinians" deserve their own country, who make up 70% of recently created Jordan have no justification for the creation of a new terror state.

Jan. 20 2010 02:04 PM
Opal Stanfield from Manhattan

I don't justify any killing. But the Jewish people are familiar with killing for millennia. They have lost their homes time and again and have started new lives. More often than not they have lost their lives.
During the Holocaust, Palestinians and the Arab world would not offer refuge to Jews. The sliver of land that is Israel, is the spiritual home of the Jews and the hope for refuge. The Arab lands are vast. I believe the Palestinian refugees are there as a propaganda ploy.
I do not justify the many offenses of the Israelis, but if the Arab world had accepted the State of Israel, the horror that has ensued could have been avoided. The Palestinians could have had their homeland in 1948. Finally, I wish for peace with a two- State solution

Jan. 20 2010 01:34 PM
sanych from NJ

1. People who don't know history are bound to repeat it.

Leonard Lopate's comments suggest a repetition of Oslo accords and an almost 10 years of Israel's giving up land, arming Palestinians, educating Israelis for peace, ignoring bombing and murder of its citizens - all in the effort of achieving peace. We all know how it ended.

2. A comment from "Sick" is a confirmation of my earlier message about "balance" with its logical corollary of moral equivalence between two sides.

Jan. 20 2010 01:27 PM
Sandra from Astoria, Queens

I love Joe Sacco's work. "Safe Area Gorazde" is particularly brilliant. Though I'm sure Serb readers have the same objections to that book as the above commenters have to this one. After all, Serbs refuse to believe they committed any atrocities during the Balkan wars, including the proven massacre at Srebrenica.

Jan. 20 2010 01:27 PM
Leeam from New York

Thank you for a very interesting and measured interview.
The commenters above, it seems, do not protest when a story is told only from an Israeli perspective, as most media stories in this country are.

Jan. 20 2010 01:27 PM
Sick of It All from Hell, a.k.a. Planet Earth

What's wrong with telling a story? We have murdered each other since we crawled out of the muck and for myriad reasons. The inhumanity will go and on forever, until the end of human being. So, what, he can't related a story based on interviews and facts? Maybe someone will read this book and come up with the brilliant idea to leave others alone.

Jews vs Arabs, Dems vs Reps, Jets vs Colts, etc.

Jan. 20 2010 01:17 PM
Kirsten Jiminiez from Bronx

"Far from an objective history, the story is told almost entirely from Palestinian perspectives."

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_context=2&x_outlet=35&x_article=1777

Jan. 20 2010 01:16 PM
sanych from NJ

Just check out the second page from "Footnotes in Gaza" available on this page's links.

The first caption - "Israel's resolve to deal harshly with infiltrators hardened because the sometimes murderer Jews in chance encounters or killed them out of revenge. Almost 300 Israeli civilians had been killed by 1956."

This is very good example of propaganda - stating some facts, but trying to insert subtle explanation. So, according to the author, fedains were killing Jews "by chance". Otherwise, they just wanted to walk around and sing Kumbaya.

The second reason for the murder of the Jews - as claimed by Succo - was revenge. This, of course, assumes prior murder of Arabs by Jews.

This is how lies are created. Let's see how it is being spread. Let's listen to the show ...

Jan. 20 2010 01:07 PM
sanych from NJ

"Footnotes in Gaza" is "Jenin, Jenin" redux. While "massacre" in Jenin in 2002 was proven to be a total fabrication, anti-Israel forces are bent to find and "prove" a massacre done by the Jews. So Joe Sacco - a man who openly claims to be pro-Palestinian - found it easier to go back 50 years to allege another one.

The efforts to accuse Israelis of war crimes are part of the new type of warfare - this one fought in the area of public opinion. The efforts to find some "dirt" of Jews resonate with Western audience because of the desire to report "balanced" news and the success of Palestinians to paint themselves as underdogs in this war.

Unfortunately - for these efforts, and fortunately - for people seeking truth, any serious research into these issues separates the propaganda and lies from facts, history and reality.

Nice try, Sacco.

Jan. 20 2010 12:51 PM
Elaine from Baltimore, MD

I understand Mr. Sacco interviewed Palestinian witnesses & survivors in 2002-3, did he also interview Israeli soldiers who were present at these incidents which were allegedly done during the Suez crisis of 1956? What research has he done
from the Israeli side?
Given that there have been many fabricated Palestinian narratives (Al-Dura was not hit by Israeli bullets, Jenin "massacre" did not happen, satellite videos of "dead" Palestinians jumping off stretchers, clumsy Photoshoped images from Lebanon), basing Mr. Sacco's graphic novel on eyewitness testimony solely from Palestinian sources is suspect.

Jan. 20 2010 12:31 PM
Jgarbuz from Queens, NY

I'm curious if your guest is equally aware of the 900 Israeli vicims (including 400 fatalities) of Arab terrorism due to fedayeen activities from 1949 till 1956, when Israel decided to join the French and British on the Suez Campaign? Does he have as much sympathy for the 400 dead Jews, and 500 other mostly Jewish casualities?
And is he familiar with Nonie Darwish? From Wikipedia:
"Nonie Darwish was born in 1949 in Cairo, Egypt.[1][2] Her family moved to Gaza in the 1950s when her father, Colonel Mustafa Hafez, was sent by Gamal Abdel Nasser to serve as commander of the Egyptian Army Intelligence in Gaza, which was under supervision of Egypt. Hafez founded the fedayeen who launched raids across Israel's southern border, that between 1951 and 1956, killed some 400 Israelis, the majority civilians."

Jan. 20 2010 12:29 PM
Gabrielle from Brooklyn

An amazing and important guest!!! thanks so much for giving Joe a voice on WNYC!

Jan. 20 2010 08:37 AM

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