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Joan Rivers: Beauty Through Plastic Surgery

Wednesday, January 21, 2009

Joan Rivers says that women live better when they look better! Hear her explain why she thinks plastic surgery is often the best way to accomplish that. Her new book is Men Are Stupid...And They Like Big Boobs: A Woman's Guide to Beauty Through Plastic Surgery.

Events:
Joan Rivers will be performing stand-up
Feb. 3, l0,l7, and 24 - at 7:30 p.m.
at the Slipper Room
167 Orchard Street

She will also be signing books
Saturday, Jan. 24th at 4 p.m.
Bank Street Book Nook
New Milford, Conn.

Thursday, Jan. 29th at 7:30 p.m.
Barnes & Noble, Lincoln Square
W. 66th Street and Broadway, NYC

Saturday, Jan. 31st at ll a.m
Book Ends
Ridgewood, N.J.

Guests:

Joan Rivers

Comments [63]

Laura Kollonitz from New York

It is a sad truth but really as a fifty-something woman I am convinced that Joan has it right, if society judges us on our looks then we need to look good to feel happy. I never in my life thought that I would do plastic surgery. Last year after seeing this segment I finally did it. Face and eyelid lift. It was (I say with mixed feelings) the best thing I ever did for myself. Thank you Joan.
plasticsurgerymexico.plastica-medica.com.mx

Feb. 22 2010 10:14 AM
David from Bedminster, NJ

Personally, I think Joan Rivers is an incredibly strong woman who is staying true to her inherent and acutely aware beliefs regarding herself and how the world works.

I think it's it's far too easy (Scarily so) for people to put other people down for following and staying true to their passion for the mere purpose of feeling a little better about themselves. Anyone who actually takes the time and energy to vehemently criticize another person is not someone I'd care to shake hands with, let alone listen to.Joan Rivers is well respected, hard working, intelligent, and still working in an industry that's harder than any other remain in).

She looks better and more well kept than 90% of people her age, and she understands herself and likely the human condition a hell of a lot better than 90% of the people who criticize her.

She walks on stage metaphorically naked every day, and the one thing that remains constant is her struggle to keep the hard truth out in the open despite the desperate attempts of repressive muzzling and "self"-denial.

Kudos Joan Rivers for being yourself and championing what you believe in. I feel sorry for those protestors opinions louder than any supporting logic could butress.

Aug. 19 2009 12:19 AM
jenny from Brooklyn

She must have some kind of mental disorder. I am no psychologist, but she is clearly obsessive about physical appearance way beyond anything normal. Her whole career is built on these obsessions and it's scary, sad and obnoxious.

May. 06 2009 07:06 PM
Boris from NJ

I saw her a couple years ago at Grand Central. She looked awful.

Jan. 22 2009 08:51 PM
Mara from East Coast

Joan Rivers is a guilty pleasure for me. I love her humor; she also makes me cringe when she's extremely cruel. Oh well. I'm glad she's still around, even so. I can remember laughing like mad when I was ten, hearing her comedy on TV.
Personally, I do think she's gone too far w/the plastic surgery, and is starting to have that genaric look they All seem to get (Joan, Meg Ryan, Goldie Hawn, Dolly Parton, Ivanna Trump and that crazy Cat Woman - the true extremist of the group - all have, basically, the Same face). My personal beefs w/plastic surgery/botox/etc are, as follows: 1. it IS too expensive...what am I supposed to do, go into horrible debt, which will only stress me out (and thus: make me look worse?) Or save for, like 35 years (by then I'll need even More work done!), 2. it makes the rest of us, who don't get any work done, look even Older than we otherwise might look, next to all the botoxed beauties, 3. it encourages people to look too alike; beauty is really boring when it becomes everyone looking the Same Way, pretty much, and 4. it's horribly drastic; death can result, or even Worse, a botched job, which means that Joan's book is actually helpful and smart to read for anyone contemplating getting any work done.
BTW, I liked Michelle's ball gown (but found Joan's comment on it funny, & not racist at all. Also: Kate Winslet, great talent though she is, is Also rather Tiresome, I find. At least Joan gives a greatly entertaining interview, so shut up, all those people who didn't like hearing her. No one Forced you to listen, now did they?)!

Jan. 22 2009 02:59 PM
pauline cannella from New York

So many people are responding with feelings about how things "should" be and talking about how awful people look after surgery. Joan doesn't look good in my humble opinion either, but she wasnt an attractive woman to start with before the surgery. When surgery is done well no one knows so when you see people with good or bad surgery on the street it isnt a good job-or you wouldn't know.
I havent had any surgery, but I live in the real world and know that ageism is real and people who are good looking have an advantage in the world-whether I like it or not and people who have the money to make subtle changes and improvements will reap the real world benefits of better looking people-ie more options for dating, higher salaries, better evaluations and more promotions

Jan. 22 2009 02:08 PM
ann from nyc

There are a group of women of a certain generation that think everywhere you look should be beautiful. I grew up hearing this nonsense. I think Joan should take Obama's advise and put childish things away - like she used to say in her act - "grow up".

Jan. 22 2009 11:51 AM
Annie from Bronx

Michelle Obama's choice of dress may not have been perfect, but to say she looked like she looked like slavery was over but she was picking cotton was not humor, it was vicious and racist.

Get all the plastic surgery you want, Joan. It won't cure what's inside you

Jan. 22 2009 11:50 AM
Keith from Manhattan

Joan Rivers

“I think they were trying to say look how far we’ve come from slavery, because it looked like she had been picking cotton.”

Jan. 22 2009 10:31 AM
Keith from Manhattan

Shame on WNYC and the Leonard Lopate Show. I could not believe that Joan Rivers was able to make such a cruel and senseless joke about American slavery, and our new First Lady Michelle Obama, without comment from the host or the station. This New York City show, which has featured an embarrassingly small number of African-American guests, has decided to poke fun at a people’s suffering and hope for redemption, one day after the nationally inspiring inauguration of Barrack Obama. The host’s light chuckles and station’s silence around this kind of racism is a moral failure. Is this what we have to look forward to from WNYC during these difficult times, when decency is so necessary. When does human tragedy become laughable? Would we joke so casually about the Holocaust? I hope not. The stakes are too high for all of us. Why should we haven to listen to this kind of reckless speech (including her insults to lesbians), and bigotry on public radio? If we want to hear the broadcasts of racist assaults, why support public radio? Why not turn to Don Imus, Opie and Anthony or other shock jocks. I think public radio should be a special entity. It should always inclusive and community centered. It should be something apart from some of the mind numbing and heartless broadcasting found on much of commercial radio. I hope you agree and remedy this failure in your future work.

Keith

Manhattan

Jan. 22 2009 10:28 AM
hjs from 11211

micheal
guess i'm just a stick in the mud!

as for the cheaters there's alot of reasons not to divorce. why pay the lawyers when the hookers are cheaper?

Jan. 21 2009 01:48 PM
Micheal from UES

on sex and love yes men can and do love without sex. Ask many married men caught "cheating" (with another female or male even) and never wanting to leave the woman and or family that they love.

Jan. 21 2009 01:42 PM
Micheal from UES

I always chuckle when I hear some one limit their associations by age group. I have more in common with people 20 years older and younger than with most people my age. I am not, as so many are, "stuck in my late 20's (listening to my "eras" oldies, etc.) I often find many 20 year olds much more interesting to be with, discuss things with, and explore life with than people my own age. Not all those in their 60's and above are full of knowledge, and some of them are very attractive and great to be with. I listen to the music that is now, I pay attention to events that are now and my concerns are very much in the now as opposed to the then. This is not limited to dating, but life in general. Besides, I hold that we are all 10 years younger inside than we are in years. (when you get to 20 you have 0 years experience being 20. By the time you get to 30, you have just mastered your 20's!) IT is MY AGE after all, and I will live it the way I want to. Much as Joan will do as she wants with HER face and body! Our bodies Our selves, Our age Our's to determine OURSELVES.

Jan. 21 2009 01:39 PM
hjs from 11211

Micheal 48
thanks for the info
yes sex and love are different for men.
but some times i wonder if men can love without sex

Jan. 21 2009 01:30 PM
hjs from 11211

Micheal
when looking for someone to date i, a 40 year old, seek someone i have stuff in common with
i would not date a 20 year old or a 60 year old.
now to be honest i'd rather date a 20 year old than a 60 year old with the plastic surgery look. if fact 20 years might always beat a 60 year old. so my point is they're only fooling them selves if they think they can get a man this way.
ps fake breasts are gross! (so don't get them unless you've had breast cancer)

Jan. 21 2009 01:18 PM
Micheal from UES

to hjs again What you are talking about is "The Coolidge Effect" (google it) That affects SEXUALITY. When you LOVE someone, yes, you may want sex from another partner from time to time, but when will this society get it straight that sex and LOVE are not the same thin? They are as separate as food and LOVE. You can have a great meal without those you love and enjoy it and you can have a great meal with those you love and enjoy it for both blessings. Shoot women up with the levels of testosterone that a typical male experiences, and the "out of body " POV our anatomy grants us sexually, and you will understand why we are wont to "cheat".

Jan. 21 2009 01:14 PM
Lisa from brooklyn

Sharon, I symmpathize with you but this guy is a total jerk. Consider, if you didn't have the bags and you had perky breasts, would his "love" for you then be real? No, I don't think so. He'd let you down anyway.

Jan. 21 2009 01:12 PM
m.e. from brooklyn

to frank from nyc: which L.L.Show interviews are NOT commercials in more respectable (or just less obvious) form? isn't everyone on here promoting a book, a film, a show.... i don't think they invite people on here unless they have something to promote. what's shameless about promoting one's work? have you never been to a book signing? in-store concert? lecture? have you never listened to the L.L.Show before? how about "fresh air" ~ pretty much the same thing. even "marketplace" has its promotions.... and yes, sometimes even (gasp) the Brian Lehrer Show. does that make it time to change the station?

Jan. 21 2009 01:09 PM
hjs from 11211

sharon
no no
men get bored. if we (society) let them and they had the money men would have 50 wives and still cheat.
you might be too old but looking like a barbie doll won't change that. just be yourself someone will come along.

Jan. 21 2009 01:06 PM
Micheal from UES

Oh! hjs... I had not noticed your comment so I was not addressing it . I was just being supportive in a field where it seems like the hypocritical majority are all but too eager to "dogpile" on any one that wants to commit a slightly greater than mild exercise of the sin of vanity. To the 49 year old woman ... have you thought of going out with a 59 year or older man? or ... are they too OLD for you? I myself love younger women because of their looks, attitude and joy of life. I am not your age yet, but I find it funny when a near 50 year old woman wants to date men only 1 or 2 years older than her, or the same age, .. and then can not figure out why she cant "keep " them. (although I am not saying that this is your situation) Conclusion: go out with older men.. you will always look younger than them and you can leverage the age difference to your advantage! Besides men are vain as well!

Jan. 21 2009 01:05 PM
frank from nyc

"Don't shoot the messenger"? Get real. Rivers isn't just a messenger, she's selling her twisted notions of beauty and that's the problem.

Jan. 21 2009 01:04 PM
frank from nyc

David, that's it exactly. This interview segment was a shameless commercial for Rivers.

Jan. 21 2009 01:02 PM
Jeff from ny

Ellen, the problem is that not everyone will think critically about this interview when listening. If some influential writer came on and raved about how much abusing oxycotin has improved his writing, undoubtedly tons of people would be out there seeking it. it's a shame not everyone can the good from the b.s., but it's a fact. Encouraging people to believe that they are ugly and should pay money to go under the knife is a destructive act, comedy or not.

Jan. 21 2009 01:02 PM
sharon from union city nj

not sure my previous comment went through so..
simply put: i am a 49 year old woman who was recently dumped by the man who i thought was the love of my life. he was the same age. guess the reason why he dumped me? i am "too old" and he was distressed by the "bags under your eyes" and my "no longer perky" breasts!

i can rationalize all i want, about the nature of "true love" and inner beauty" and i can say a lot of it is just rot. this has changed my relationship with the mirror...as much as i don't like it, and how it's made me take a second look at my ideals...

Jan. 21 2009 01:01 PM
Robert

What a jarringly awful interview. We just came off of some great conversations on the Brian Lehrer show about day one of the Obama administration, and now this?

Jan. 21 2009 01:00 PM
Occulo from NJ

Lenny,
What are you thinking?
Joan Rivers?
Why bother to give this poor woman a platform?

Jan. 21 2009 12:59 PM
m.e. from brooklyn

she's a riot. and sadly, she is right about a lot of what society will & will not accept. don't shoot the messenger. this is a far bigger issue than Joan Rivers and don't pretend we don't ALL buy into it, in some form or another. do any of you color your hair? wear make-up? tinted lip gloss? make a point of brushing/fixing up your hair when you leave the house? get it?

Jan. 21 2009 12:58 PM
Alex from NYC, EV

It’s absolutely ridiculous to listen to this creature.

Jan. 21 2009 12:58 PM
frank from nyc

The level of Joan Rivers' narcissism is seriously disturbing. Shallow, superficial and empty, she represents everything that's wrong with our culture.

Jan. 21 2009 12:58 PM
Benny from UES

As cruel as this sounds I agree on many levels with her. I have a pigeon toed gait and my parents never addressed it. My early life was hell on earth. As much as we say we don't want a superficial society we live in one.

Wicked is a fantastic book that spells all of this out.

Jan. 21 2009 12:58 PM
Ellen from Brooklyn

I don't agree with pretty much anything this woman is saying but I do think she's hilarious. You can tell that Leonard is having fun. I don't think anyone is listening to this and thinking "Joan is so right." We don't need to argue about how wrong plastic surgery can go, we all can see her face. Lighten up. Accept yourself and support inner beauty.

Jan. 21 2009 12:56 PM
David Alban from ny

Leonard.
Take a listen to this interview in a week, a month.
PATHETIC, all the way around.
You must be in on the promo tour.
Dave

Jan. 21 2009 12:55 PM
Gene

Thanks for that, hjs; and for your helpful links.

Jan. 21 2009 12:55 PM
hjs from 11211

Micheal

my point was she doesn't look good!

joan is deluding herself and might need therapy, unless this is just a character she's playing

Jan. 21 2009 12:55 PM
Lisa from brooklyn

Ms. Rivers is horribly cynical.

Jan. 21 2009 12:55 PM
frank from nyc

Well it looks like the conversation hit the nail on the head finally. Plastic surgery can become another vice like prozac or heroin. But rather than examine the root causes of why people are unhappy, Joan Rivers seems to think the only thing that matters in the world is her personal happiness.

This interview is awful. Keep this sort of frivolous content up and I'll be tempted to skip renewing my subscription.

Jan. 21 2009 12:54 PM
Linda from East Village

The direction in women's hormone replacement,
taking testosterone--preferably in pellet form, inserted in the skin of the hip (lasts for 5-6 months). This is shown to tone up the muscles and ligaments from within. Women on testosterone therapy for a couple of years have been hearing from those who haven't seen them in a while that they look like they've had face lifts. They ARE face lifts, from within, and they promote overall health too.

Jan. 21 2009 12:53 PM
sharon stone from union city nj

until recently i was able to accept, more or less, what i look like as a 49 year old single woman. the man whom i was dating for about one year, was same age as i am. within the first 4 months, i was puzzled as his "offhand" remarks about the bags under my eyes, my pendelous breasts, increased. it all made sense when, after he dumped me, friends told me that he is actively seeking a much younger woman.

now i find that i have a different relationship with the mirror... i am embarrassed to admit this, and it is true.

being dumped hurts. being dumped because of one's age... hurts ... if not more, then "different">

Jan. 21 2009 12:53 PM
Boshra AlSaadi from manhattan

I'm a photo retoucher for fashion and advertising and constantly have to make women and men look preternaturally beautiful. I wonder what Joan's stance is on retouching...does it create an unreasonable standard of beauty? Does it motivate people to get even more plastic surgery?

Jan. 21 2009 12:53 PM
Randy from New York City

Joan, I just had my first lazer treatment to minimize age, sun and/or brown spots on my face. Not much happened on the first treatment. Can you elaborate on laser for the face!!!

Jan. 21 2009 12:52 PM
Micheal from UES

Right On Joan I agree and I like the way your audacity leaves those that would play emotional "gotcha" looking for a way to respond (LL included) Why NOT try to look as good as you can. We trim our nails, bathe, comb our hair etc etc . It IS about appearances and what you express. I'snt that the appeal about Barak? Its appearance and content and they are NOT mutually exclusive. Maintain and develop Both assets!

Jan. 21 2009 12:50 PM
Suki from Williamsburg

Exercise often, eat well, love big and not only will you live longer, you'll be happy.

Jan. 21 2009 12:50 PM
Robert

Sorry, no more donations to NPR. You've hit bottom, Leonard.

Jan. 21 2009 12:49 PM
Gene

I last saw acting coach Mira Rostova when she was in her late sixties and she had skin like a baby.

Her secret? Lots of oils and she never went out in the sun.

Jan. 21 2009 12:49 PM
hjs from 11211

gene
i read your first comment and was shocked it was taken down. my guess it was done in error.

Jan. 21 2009 12:48 PM
Elizabeth from Queens

I'm finding her funny. I take her point about getting the luggage taken if a woman looks better. Unfortunately, (emphasize that), men and respond to superficial looks and errands become easier when I look better. Not sure about the big, important things like relationships, careers...etc.

Jan. 21 2009 12:48 PM
Erika Muller from NYC

Why would you have this woman on your show? She hasn't been relevant in about 30 years, she isn't funny, her speech is altered because her skin is pulled so tightly she can hardly move her face, and she has nothing of interest or use to say to anyone.

Get a new car rather than a new face? Clearly she has no understanding of economic realities for the vast majority of people.

Ick.

Jan. 21 2009 12:48 PM
Jeff from ny

I don't throw this word around lightly, but this woman is a monster.

"We live in a society wear looks count..." How about, "We live in a society where women suspected of witchery are burned and homosexuals are tortured." Are we supposed to embrace the status quo, no matter what? She's not even funny any more. It takes a lot to offend me, but Joan Rivers is perhaps one of the most offensive people alive (to listen to and look at).

Jan. 21 2009 12:48 PM
francesca from Montclair NJ

Plastic surgery is tricky. My gorgeous mother was very uncomfortable with how she was aging and finally had a major face lift. She looks great, except she has one puffy little mark on her face that won't go away and she now obsesses on that. Its heartbreaking that she will only measure her self worth through how she looks, even with all the surgery, tweaking, injections etc.

Jan. 21 2009 12:48 PM
Anita from Brooklyn

This woman is shallow and scary. By proxy she even bashed homosexuality. So if you don't care about how you look you are a lesbian?!
I'm not sure she can see anything beyond her own face.

Jan. 21 2009 12:47 PM
Marisa from NYC

Joan, you state that we should do what makes us feel pretty (get surgery or not), but yet you went off on Michelle Obama's dress. She thought she looked beautiful (and i did too!)

Jan. 21 2009 12:47 PM
Mary

Joan Rivers has been "shaped" (no pun intended) by having to survive in Hollywood over a what - 50 year career? No wonder she's come to the conclusions she has!

Jan. 21 2009 12:46 PM
hjs from 11211

one day our kids won't know what old people used to look like.

Jan. 21 2009 12:45 PM
Gene

Maybe I was indelicate, but I wasn't trying to be mean, I like Rivers--

But I'm surprised you took the comment off. Women need to know what people really think when they see this sort of "work." I have a friend who looks _exactly_ like Rivers now. Even her family jokes about it.

Who's moderating here, a plastic surgeon?

Jan. 21 2009 12:43 PM
kim from manhattan

Joan Rivers is no longer vital. Are we really supposed to be taking beauty advice from someone who looks like someone put a hot iron to her face?

Jan. 21 2009 12:42 PM
Jen

I turned off Leonard Lopate for the first time ever during this episode.

Joan Rivers is grating and obnoxious.

I have never seen anyone look better after plastic surgery, except in the case of congenital deformity.

I can't believe Leonard is airing this segment. It's not at the level of his usual fare.

Jan. 21 2009 12:40 PM
suki shackelford from williamsburg

#3] Wow. She's bordering on Jocelyn Wilderstein territory.

Whatever happened to aging gracefully? This is apalling...

Jan. 21 2009 12:40 PM
sophie from manhattan

Women live longer when they're not shot up with Botox.

Jan. 21 2009 12:37 PM
Lyn from Brooklyn

Please press Ms. Rivers to explain how, even IF we accept the premise that cosmetic surgery makes life better for women, how women who are not as wealthy as she is are supposed to make themselves look "good" by her standards? She's talking to a tiny fraction of the women of the world, which makes her point irrelevant.

Jan. 21 2009 12:36 PM
Mandy from NY, NY

Women live better when they accept themselves and love themselves without the "help" of plastic surgery.

Jan. 21 2009 12:18 PM
hjs from 11211

here's another before and after. u judge her creditability
http://www.maplejuice.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/1116_joan_rivers_full.jpg

Jan. 21 2009 11:46 AM
hjs from 11211

has anyone been on the uppereastside lately? looks like a group of aliens replaced the women, and joan is part of the invasion. boobs might be one thing, but when people mess with their faces they are fooling themselves if they think they look better and others see them as anything other than creatures from a nightmare.
http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/joan_rivers_plastic_surgery.jpg

Jan. 21 2009 11:43 AM
John-Paul G from Elizabeth, NJ

A female friend will frequently tell me, "men are stupid but women are crazy." Though she does tell me since she is a woman with a smaller chest than usual, she finds she does better at job interviews with men when she wears lower cut outfits.

Jan. 21 2009 10:51 AM

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