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A New View of Science, Reason, and Religion

Monday, May 26, 2008

Complexity theorist Stuart Kauffman says that it’s possible for science, reason, and religion to co-exist in a cohesive worldview. His new book is Reinventing the Sacred.

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Comments [15]

boris from new york

Thank you Leonard Lopate Show and Mr. Kauffman, I've been waiting for this interview for half my life. It finally elucidates Einstein’s conception of science and religion being inextricable.

Jun. 03 2008 04:17 PM
Scobenja from Astoria, Queens

OK, and so where does this get us. One can say "I define God as that which is good; since there are good things there must be a God." Similarly, one can say "I define God as the creative forces in the universe; since there are creative forces at play, there must be a God." So...

It seems to me that Kauffman's "God" adds nothing to our understanding of the universe, or appreciation of it, that couldn't be had without inventing or defining such a God.

It seems sad to me that there are people who cannot appreciate the universe, marvel at its wonders, and express gratitude without invoking some labored re-definition of an imaginary deity. Why does anyone think this is at all needed?

May. 27 2008 05:29 PM
Herbert Kaufmann from Bedford, NY

I wonder if most of what Stuart Kauffman (not a relative) is saying is a restatement of Spinoza's view? It is curious, in that regard, that he calls for a new Enlightenment. Is there some way that
Ii could email him?

May. 26 2008 04:58 PM
peter

chestinee: the idea that the earth orbits the sun is also just a theory, do you look at that from another viewpoint?

May. 26 2008 02:02 PM
Edward Helmrich from Larchmont, NY

He is admirably addressing a large problem. The Pope has addressed this problem also in that he disagrees with the breaking up of knowledge into separate departments that don't interact with each other.

May. 26 2008 01:58 PM
Eddie

but seriously, this guy is amazing

May. 26 2008 01:56 PM
Paul from Queens

I wonder if the guest has ever explored the integral philosophy of Sri Aurobindo, who apparently untied all these proposed knots almost a century ago? **
Only he evidently explored these issues by direct experience and not with reason or the rational scientific method, which is like trying to listen to the Leonard Lopate show using a banana instead of a radio.

**see "The Life Divine"

May. 26 2008 01:56 PM
Edward Helmrich from Larchmont, NY

Many Americans don't believe in evolution in the sense that it explains what is alive without reference to God. Many hold that evolution doesn't explain what exists without guidance.

May. 26 2008 01:56 PM
chestinee

Evolution is a linear concept - just a concept. It's a theory. It's not absolute truth. Why can't people look at this from another viewpoint? Even time isn't real!

May. 26 2008 01:56 PM
Sam Jordan from NJ

I would point the author to the writings of the Baha'i Faith which have pointed humanity toward the principal that our collective unity, guided by an understanding that assumes a cohesiveness of scientific perspective and spiritual principals, is the ultimate solution to a new global ethic.

May. 26 2008 01:53 PM
Eddie

this guy is amazing. i don't want to put him in a box but really what he's doing is using science to prove or explore taoism. everything this man has said about his conception of "god" is the taoist conception of the way

May. 26 2008 01:52 PM
Edward Helmrich from Larchmont, NY

I like his idea of creativity and his perceived need to create a universal religious sense that will allow us to work together. Christians would call this creativity the Holy Spirit, but he doesn't have to.

May. 26 2008 01:50 PM
chestinee

I think Mr. Kauffman should spend 5 days with Emilie Conrad up at Omega and see what she has evolved in the way of the sacred!!! And way out of the leftg lobe, and anything but supernatural! (I htink scientists can be (left-lobe residing) fundamentalists, too)

May. 26 2008 01:50 PM
Edward Helmrich from Larchmont, NY

There are other people of faith other than fundamentalists.
Abraham didn't invent Yahweh - Yahweh confronted Abraham.
Jesus is an agent. God is love in the sense that love is not just an attribute, but part of His nature. And He is the source of all love. God is truth, God is Beauty, God is justice, in the same sense. And Jesus is the summit of man's religious experience, for Christians.

May. 26 2008 01:48 PM
Mark from NJ

Why dosen't he know the difference between Atheism or being an agnostic..?? Perplexing...

How about using the word "Mystery" to describe GOD?

May. 26 2008 01:45 PM

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