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St. Vincent's

Friday, February 05, 2010

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn and New York Times reporter Anemona Hartocollis discuss the fate of St. Vincent's Hospital, given their dire finances and the withdrawal of Continuum Health Partners' takeover offer.

Guests:

Anemona Hartocollis and Christine Quinn

Comments [28]

wiley

There are plenty of hospitals in NYC just a few block on the east side. Please.. The problem is that St. Vincent's treats the poor and the city,government and the scum of them all "insurance companies" do not want to compensate adequately. period. This is just the beginning

Feb. 08 2010 07:36 PM
Ron Raphael from 16th Street-NYC

St. Vincents Hospital is a very necessary institutions in the city of New York. It should be "bailed out" by the federal government. It is OK to bail out Wall St. firms, as they are "too big to fail"and we want to make sure that their well meaning directors have their needed bonuses. But after all, we need to protect our hospitals. Should St Vincents cease to exist, other hospitals er's would be flooded with patients from other communities. If senators such as Sessions, McCain, McConnell and Lieberman should disagree, let them study the hospitals in their respective states (Birmingham, Phoenix, Louisville and Hartford.)

Feb. 07 2010 11:32 PM
Marc Naroshkhyn from Brooklyn

10011, the Zip Code in which St Vincent's resides, in 2008 was ranked 40th nationally for individual donations to candidates for Federal office. The community in Yorkville can support its own community hospital. The community in Bushwick can support its own community hospital -- Wyckoff Heights -- with a lot less hullabaloo than Greenwich Village. If St Vincent's means that much to them, why don't they take some of their political money and buy out the hospital, and operate it like other communities do? Of course, that would cut down on Christine Quinn's face time, so that will likely never happen.

Boo hoo.

Feb. 05 2010 01:03 PM
Robert T. from NYC

Just like all those high rise buildings, going up, that ordinary citizens cannot afford to live in. The closing down of St. Vincent's is just another nail in the coffin.

DAT, #24

How humorous. Had the pampered local residents let St. V's build another "high-rise," they might still have a great hospital. You get the city you deserve.

Regardless of that, can any ordinary citizen afford to live in the W. Village as it is?

Feb. 05 2010 11:42 AM
DAT from Nathan Straus Projects

The closing of St. Vincent's Hospital is a
tragedy for poor, working class and even
middle class resident of Manhattan.

The closing of St. Vincent's is just another
step in the march to turn Manhattan into
a place just for rich people to live.

Just like closing a lot of the Farmer's
Market, with excuses, when Whole Foods opened
up.

Just like all those high rise buildings,
going up, that ordinary citizens cannot
afford to live in.

The closing down of St. Vincent's is just
another nail in the coffin.

Feb. 05 2010 11:29 AM
Elisa from Manhattan

The nearest west side hospital would probably have to be Roosevelt at 59th Street.It's a long haul to have to travel for required medical service. I believe St. Vincent's should stay in business but for emergencies only. Elective surgeries could be performed at another hospital. My suggestion is to get rid of all nonessentials and concentrate on emergencies. SV could be managed much more efficiently and for less cost.

Feb. 05 2010 10:54 AM
Lucy from manhattan

No one is serving the poor like St. Vincents. I know several low-income artists who were treated for cancer at St. Vincents and they were happy with the kind care they received. Another friend (without health insurance) was taken to a different, more profitable NY hospital after her suicide attempt. For 24 hours, she was in a coma with no brain activity, and literally 2 days after regaining consciousness, she was sent home, with no plan for her care after release. She walked into St. Vincents clinic and was immediately checked in. She received the care she needed at St. Vincents. Thank god she had the presence of mind to take herself there!

I think it's worth noting that the community often ends up paying the true cost when hospitals make profits the highest priority. People who are not receiving the care they need will be out walking the streets in very desperate situations, and that's not good for anyone.

Feb. 05 2010 10:47 AM
Steve from Flatbush, Brooklyn

I had surgery at St. Vincent's last year. My experience there was not unpleasant, but it was not exceptional. More than anything, it proved to me that having health insurance doesn't mean health care is affordable; instead of having to pay 20,000 for my surgery, I had to pay 10% of it. Maybe my perspective is off, but I had a tendon replaced in my knee ... and still I can't fathom why procedures carry such enormous price tags, aside from that the system is broken and no one in a position to fix it cares to do so.

Feb. 05 2010 10:32 AM
Matt from Brooklyn

My father had Melanoma and went to many Dr.'s who gave him a terrible prognosis. He found a Dr. at St. Vincent's who told him all of those Dr.'s were too extreme and he performed surgery on my father who lives to this day. I've always considered that hospital one that had an amazing group of physicians, one in particular that saved my father. Closing it would be a major loss for the city and surrounding areas.

Feb. 05 2010 10:25 AM
Becky from Manhattan

I was in St. Vincent's on Wednesday for a diagnostic exam and feel strongly that it needs to be kept open. They saw me quickly and were kind and competent, and explained what was happening each step of the way.

Susan Sarandon and her asinine comment about how St. Vincent's doesn't deserve to expand b/c she personally would not want to take her own children there just shows exactly how that limousine liberal really feels about the poor and the needy.

She wants the Village to be only for the Hollywood rich and Wall Streeters.

Please, someone, get some GOOD management there at St. Vincent's.

Also, let's realize that St. Vincent's is a Catholic hospital, committed to serving the poor and needy. Even though Catholic teaching does not condone homosexuality, St. Vincent's was the absolute savior, with no judgment, of thousands of men and women with AIDS, during the AIDS epidemic in the 80s and 90s.

To this day, St. Vincent's serves the most HIV patients in the city.

Feb. 05 2010 10:25 AM
david

I had 3 surgeries at St. Vincent's beginning in November and was very happy with my treatment there, although I was anticipating poor treatment owing to St. Vincent's reputation as well as a previous stay in 2006. During one stay, I was admitted through the emergency room and was really amazed at the very large number of people being treated. St. Vincent's needs to stay open and has improved its inpatient services greatly.

Feb. 05 2010 10:23 AM
Ron from Brooklyn

I heard that Columbia-Cornell was looking at St. Vincent's to expand their healthcare coverage to the West Village in Manhattan. If they maintained the Level 1 Trauma Center, and used the resources of their other Hospitals for most other needs, this could reduce the financial burden and still provide medical care in the area.
Then they could rebuild the services at that location appropriately.

Feb. 05 2010 10:22 AM
Eve from New York

There is an oversupply of high end faciltiies and inpatient BEDS in new york. And an arms race to getting ever more expensive equipment. It's not that the medical supply companies are forcing hospitals to pay more for this hightech stuff. It's that the hospitals WANT to, because they're all competing for a fixed number of patients. That's why they're all struggling. Too much supply and not enough demand.

THOSE were the findings of the berger commission.

Hospitals are not stretched thin, regardless of what quinn says.

Feb. 05 2010 10:22 AM
Robert T. from NYC

Christine Quinn's lips must get tired from talking out of both sides of her mouth. She was for it before she was against it before she was for it? Is there anything she won't do to become mayor?

The protected folk of the West Village got exactly what they deserve -- nothing. That Susan Sarandon's view on her way to Magnolia Bakery may be obstructed does not alter my view. The community spoke and they preferred a low-rise view in exchange for a high-quality ER.

Live with it, folks.

Feb. 05 2010 10:22 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

I think almost anything possible to rescue the hospital should be done as it’s full-service nature is vital to the immediate neighborhood and the city as a whole. And, from what I’ve heard, St. Vincent’s has a history of serving populations other hospitals have refused to. That said, why should anyone give a chip whether Susan Sarandon or even the Queen NIMBY herself Christine Quinn says.
As speaker she doesn’t seem to care how services are decimated in other less wealthy parts of the city and lets developers do whatever they damn well please elsewhere so maybe I’d have more faith in her if she went to bat the for all New Yorkers the way she seems to only for her district.

Feb. 05 2010 10:21 AM
A from Jersey City

My midwife only delivers at St. Vincents, which seems to have a great reputation as a place to give birth... not to mention the planned Eli Manning Birthing Center which is supposed to be done this year. I'm due in August, and wondering if the hospital will still be there then?!

Feb. 05 2010 10:21 AM
tea baggers for cake from

Closing emergency rooms is nothing but a Socialist Plot to force people out of the emergency rooms and into normal Health Care!

Feb. 05 2010 10:19 AM
Bobby Friese

My wife and I had our first child at the Hospital last May.
It was a great experience. The maternity ward worked with our mid-wife which is rare and it was a quaint environment which contrasts harshly with Manhattans other hospital maternity wards, many of which had a cold factory like pace.
T

Feb. 05 2010 10:18 AM
Ron in Brooklyn from Brooklyn

I thought I heard that Columbia-Cornell Hospital Network was looking at the St. Vincent's situation to expand their coverage in Manhattan. With that availability of major medical resources at their other centers, they could keep St. Vincent's as a Level 1 Trauma Center for the West Village area, and then rebuild from that point.

Feb. 05 2010 10:17 AM
Peter from New York City

I've lived near the hospital for 25 years. It serves the entire West Side, from Chelsea to the Battery. It helped with the Titanic, with the Andrea Doria, with 9/11. On 9/11, the hospital staff waited outside on 7th Avenue for survivors who never came. After that, the hospital posted on its11th Street wall hundreds of photos of the missing, which stayed there for months. A homeless Viet Nam vet I know was injured and treated there two weeks ago. If the ER closes, where will he go?

Feb. 05 2010 10:17 AM
A

My midwife only delivers at St. Vincents', which seems to have a very good reputation as a place to give birth. Not to mention, there's the big Eli Manning Birthing Center planned to be finished this year. I'm due in August, and wondering if the hospital will still be there then!

Feb. 05 2010 10:17 AM
Lol Fow from Brooklyn

Shoddy care is a part of this story. I would never choose to go to this hospital, and the two times I've been forced to seek care there (once for myself and once for a friend) was horrified at the treatment offered. My friend's visit was so terrible it resulted in the state prosecuting the hospital for falsifying records to cover up what happened. It's not a surprise that this institution is in trouble. The village needs a hospital, but not this one.

Feb. 05 2010 10:13 AM
hjs from 11211

want to cut costs? look at police station efficiency

Feb. 05 2010 10:08 AM
more heart attack deaths from

Have a taste of what the rest of the country has been going through for years, 212!

What happens next? See Muhlenberg.com

Feb. 05 2010 09:58 AM
Jack from NYC

Hospitals are required by law to accept anyone in their ER. So that means ALL hospitals in NYC. SVC may have a higher % of services related to the needy, but that's because they do not have the ability to retain fully insured, paying patients for their higher end services. The recent nytimes article about the devestating radiation equipment mistakes are no coincidence. It's not about geting better equipment - they already have some good stuff. It's about management of their staff. And on that, they've failed and caused their own loss of patients. That's why they're under, and that's why no bailout will make a difference. You can have good nurses and good doctors. But with poor managment in place, no bail out will ever help. And no new hospital and new state-of-the-art equipment will ever help.

Feb. 05 2010 09:48 AM
xheight from Brooklyn

Intresting link naomi however your comments about the 'community' and the item's slam on the 'pie-in-the-sky plan' real estate option that 'has run into community opposition' shows off the divide of both incomes and attitudes which mock the notion of 'community'. The NY area hospitals have become a have and have not, double system where the public and private hospitals serve different 'communities'. St. Vincent’s desperate attempt to hold the middle ground has been looked on with contempt by the arguement that there are other hospitals. If one is to talk about pie in the sky that would be the wishes that social single payer system is around the corner and will demolish this two level attitude even if it arrives.

Feb. 05 2010 09:43 AM
yvette from New York

When my husband and I, both artists, made $6,000 anually 26 years ago our only fiancially available recourse was the incredible good and caring pre- and post natal care at St. Vincent's hospital. We had no health insurance. When one of my children was ill, and we were unable to pay the $75 to get into the emergency room, their doctors would treat her outside and give us their private phone numbers.

Today that same child is going to St. Vincents receiving the same maternity care I went through myself 26 years ago. It is a great, caring hospital, and it serves this community well. Will it need help in regard to restructuring its management - yes! But it should be available to all of us in this community!! Ms. Quinn, help prevent it from closing!

Feb. 05 2010 09:26 AM
W from NYC

The NYC electeds have never taken a realistic look at St. Vincent’s, never considered how poorly managed it has been, never held it accountable. They simply repeated that St. Vincent’s serves the community (doubtful) and the poor (true). The community has been forced to put up with a largely unrealistic plan for the future (http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100128/FREE/100129875) because those who might have made a difference never bothered to consider whether it could be done. If St. Vincent’s disappears, the elected will wring their hands and sputter and spout, but not one of them – not even Chris Quinn, who has some power – has done anything to identify, much less deal with, the underlying causes.

if the money can be found to "save St. Vincent's, why should it be allocated there instead of to the many other health providers in the City who are themselves struggling to keep afloat?  What is so special about St. Vincent’s.  Again, it’s not as if patients are going to be forced to visit another planet to secure health care.  For some, their journey will be lengthened by 10 or 15 minutes (unless there are in an ambulance, in which case the add on would be 5 minutes or less); in many cases, it will be shortened.   But very few will it be denied.  And in those last cases, the solution does not lie with keeping ST. Vincent’s open, but getting universal health care in this county.

Feb. 05 2010 09:03 AM

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