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Monday, February 01, 2010

WNYC's Bob Hennelly discusses the apparent shift away from holding the Khalid Sheikh Mohammend trial in Manhattan. Then, the mayor of Newburgh, New York Nicholas Valentine shares his invitation to host the trial in his town.

Guests:

Bob Hennelly and Nicholas Valentine

Comments [40]

Marion Lane from New York City

The trial should be held at some Military Instalation. We should not give KSM a platform for publicity. His deed caused a war, so a military location would be appropriate.

Feb. 03 2010 09:34 AM
Dianna from NY, NY

I have been against having trials since the beginning and said so to a Letter to the Editor of The Villager in December.

How about holding the trials on a Naval Ship? It could sail around as a "moving target", would not tie up lower Manhattan, and wouldn't cost nearly what the current
estimates are to provide security to people and the city.

Feb. 03 2010 01:25 AM
g wise from Long Island

I thought it was a foolish idea to hold the trial in NYC when it was first proposed. I'm glad others are waking up to the fact also.

Feb. 02 2010 11:33 PM
Michael E. from Brooklyn

I am just sick of the cravenness of the politicians who rile up the Fox news crowd with their hypocritical insistence that KSM does not "deserve" the rights of the American system of justice. We try all kinds of fanatics--Timothy McVeigh, Klansmen, abortion doctor killers, religious cultists. Lee Harvey Oswald would have received a fair trial if he had lived, and nobody was saying that killing the Commander in Chief made him a war criminal to be tried in military court. Give KSM a trial in a secure location that won't be too disruptive in the NYC metropolitan area, and be done with it. It will not cost $200 million.

Feb. 02 2010 10:49 PM
BrettG from Astoria

Rikers Island is already secured or maybe there is some NYPD/FDNY installation that can take it ala FT. Totten, etc.

Feb. 02 2010 01:43 AM
BrettG from Astoria

Separate criminal acts occurred in separate venues. Not only have approx. 1K terrorist trials have occurred in FED Criminal CT during the past 8-10 years. This includes the 1st WTC trial.

Despite some callers' impressions, these actions do not constitute a nation-to-nation state of war. The fact that the accused are foreign nationals is irrelevant. Neither our Constitution or past practice leave room for military trials simply because of alien citizenship.

The fact that they admit being part of a "group" does not make them a military unit by their actions in the US which are the same as the US military veteran- Jeffrey McVeigh when he bombed the Oklahoma City Federal BLDG.

Our Federal statutes plainly distinguish the acts of 11 Sept 01 as criminal, not military actions & subject to the Federal Criminal Code.

I hope the trial takes place somewhere in NYC, or at least in the SDNY criminal system.

Feb. 02 2010 01:38 AM
DAT from Nathan Straus Projects

What is it that they are
afraid might come out
during the KSM Trial?

It all sounds like a
campaign against the trial
itself.

These people, including KSM, are "suspected"
not found guilty of anything as of yet.

Is the trial a farce, a show trial?

Bloomberg falls in line, then Schumer.

All we know, as of right now, is what
our government has told us, with respect
to the "suspected terrorist".

How did they reach that conclusion,
how were the "suspected terrorist" questioned,
did they under go torture?

What evidence is there against them,
how was it acquired, how is the evidence
backed up?

There are a lot of questions and it seems
like some people would rather not hear the
questions, let alone know the answers.

Lower Manhattan is well protected right now,
and during a trial, it would be even more so.

I don't think security is the only reason,
why all these people are afraid of the trial.

Feb. 01 2010 02:16 PM
hjs from 11211

ED
I do!

Feb. 01 2010 12:05 PM
Resident Alien from Williamsburg, Brooklyn

@ william monaghan:
Gov. Island with it's great view of the statue of liberty,could have been good from a symbolism standpoint, but it's been vacated for over a decade, none of the buildings are secure. you would have to build a high security facility from scratch.. pass.

Feb. 01 2010 11:48 AM
Alan

I never quite understood the security plan. Let's say the trial is so provocative that it causes a terrorist act that otherwise wouldn't have occurred (as if a military tribunal wouldn't be provocative too). Terrorists aren't idiots. If you secure someplace, they'll attack someplace else. Secure downtown, they'll bomb Brooklyn. Secure Newburgh, they'll bomb NYC. Secure both, they'll bomb DC.

Feb. 01 2010 11:40 AM
william monaghan from Manhattan

What about Gov. Island off the the tip of Manhattan. That used to be a Millitary Base? Bottom Line, it should be in NYC.

Feb. 01 2010 11:35 AM
Resident Alien from Williamsburg, Brooklyn

There is way too much time spent on this topic!
It's quite simple:
1. the trial deserves to be held at the place of crime, meaning NYC.
2. it doesn't make sense to have it in the most unpractical, expensive, burdensome location.

here's the compromise:
have it at Randall's Island or wherever NYC high security prison's are. It's should be easy to secure, remote enough, and will cost and burden the NYC taxpayers the least.

Moving on to more important issues...
thanks,
-just my 2cents

Feb. 01 2010 11:31 AM
Ed from East Village

1) John from office - we don't like lynching in our country
2) hjs from 11211 - i quess you really don't care about the businesses or workers in downtown manhattan

Feb. 01 2010 11:31 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

And by the way, what business is it of CB1 to drive what happens to the city-wide budget? If her concern is purely budgetary, that effects the entire 8.2 million person population of the city, not just her neighborhood. Guess she’s just making it up as she goes.

Feb. 01 2010 11:30 AM
hjs from 11211

by the way, the only reason for all that "extra security," check points etc was for ray kelly to show off.
men and their toys...

Feb. 01 2010 11:29 AM
greg from NYC

i keep an apt in hells kitchen, was in NYC on 9/11.
lets admit that the towers were hideous, not to mention that my view has been greatly improved.
this trial is going to be a major waste of taxpayer dollars...
possibly 2 years and half a billion dollars... pathetic...

Feb. 01 2010 11:29 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Could the NIMBY from CB1 Please explain why NYC zoning should continue to allow residential development in areas where we have courts so we can’t hold trials in those courts, areas where we have industry so we can’t have industry in those historically industrial regions and areas where we have skyscrapers and commerce fighting vociferously to prevent skyscrapers from being built?

Feb. 01 2010 11:29 AM
Mike from Brooklyn

Here's an idea: The trial could take place outside the city for logistical reasons and then the sentencing could happen downtown for the symbolism.

Feb. 01 2010 11:28 AM
Steve from Red Bank NJ

Newburgh, according to Nicholas Valentin, is 4 square miles with a police force of 110. Any wonder they're finacially strapped?

Feb. 01 2010 11:27 AM
Joe Corrao from Brooklyn

NIMBY...justice is great as long as it doesn't inconvenience me....cowards all of us

Feb. 01 2010 11:27 AM
tim from Newburgh NY

I moved to Newburgh from Brooklyn recently, and commute daily to lower Manhattan for work. I think that holding the trials in Newburgh would be a much better idea than lower Manhattan-the disruption of daily life would have a much smaller effect here in Newburgh than NYC. Not to mention, between having Stewart airport & the prisons nearby, would make security around the trials much easier, and perhaps the government would have to spend significantly LESS money on the trials, and any influx of govt money into Newburgh would be a much needed help to a very poor & struggling upstate community

Feb. 01 2010 11:26 AM
john from office

We can try them elsewhere and hang them here.

Feb. 01 2010 11:25 AM
Dan from Manhattan

Why do we assume that terrorists will leave lower Manhattan alone if the trial is elsewhere?

Feb. 01 2010 11:24 AM
Andrew

What about the Brooklyn Navvy Yard? It has restricted access and, I believe, vacant space.

Feb. 01 2010 11:23 AM
carolita from manhattan

How are these guys supposed to be tried by a jury of their peers? In all seriousness. We don't have any of their peers here, do we? Isn't that enough to tell us this can't be a regular non-military trial?

Feb. 01 2010 11:23 AM
john from office

Brian, I have an office on Broadway. I have a road block check point outside my door that causes problems and delays. It would only be worst. Have the trial else where.

Feb. 01 2010 11:22 AM
Catherine from Long Island

How can your caller fail to recognize that statements such as "They don't deserve protection" and "Their guilt is already established" make him unsafe? Once you say such things about ANYONE, you are asking that those statements be used upon yourself.

Feb. 01 2010 11:22 AM
Jon from NYC

No one cried "foul" when the first WTC bombing trial took place in NYC. Why should we now?

Feb. 01 2010 11:22 AM
Hugh Sansom from Brooklyn NY

The caller who survived the attacks may think we can just call KSM guilty and be done with it.

The law requires otherwise -- both the US Constitution and international law.

Feb. 01 2010 11:21 AM
Bob from Pelham

Telling the Mayor's office, or particularly Governor Patterson's office, ahead of Atty Gen Holder's announcement would have resulted in numerous leaks to the media.

Feb. 01 2010 11:17 AM
hjs from 11211

the mayor should have taken this chance to make lower manhattan a pedestrian zone, instead he acted terrorized.

Feb. 01 2010 11:16 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

So can we now stop with all the bravest, toughest, strongest nonsense—since the threat of this trial being held in Lower Manhattan has turned everyone from Charles Schumer to senators from the Midwest to jelly?
The terrorists HAVE won. These colors DO run. Now let’s just go all Taliban on ‘em, string ‘em up in Times Square and move on with our lives pretending we believe in justice over vigilantism, aren’t scared s*%tless—the goal of terrorist—and have any kind of moral superiority.
(And from what the guest is saying, apparently the realtors and developers who led us into this financial disaster we’re in now have won as well.)

Feb. 01 2010 11:14 AM
Tom from Manhattan

I think it's appropriate to re-inforce the notion that what happened on 9/11 was a criminal act, not an act of war, and hence the appropriate response is to hold a criminal trial in the US (and usually in the jurisdiction where the crime was committed), not a military tribunal.

That said, I agree that it is too complicated and expensive to hold the trial in lower Manhattan. I suggest we hold it on Governor's Island.

Feb. 01 2010 11:13 AM
Sarah in Manhattan from East Village

Can you please explain why having the terror trial here is such a security risk? What exactly is the risk? That Al Qaeda will want to bomb the trial? That KSM will escape?
Okay, we need security, but in the past the NYPD has gone way overboard --witness the Republican Convention in 2004. I think their ideas of lockdown are too much and enuf to make it prohibitive for any urban area. Why does it have to be so scary? I just want that explained.

Feb. 01 2010 11:12 AM
George from Downtown

I was here on 9/11 and look at Ground Zero everyday since. I want to see the trials and justice served in this neighborhood and I dont want a Republican from the midwest telling me what to do in my hometown for political purposes. New Yorkers arent scared. We've been through a lot worst than a trial.

Feb. 01 2010 11:12 AM
RCT from NYC

My husband is a general contractor who had two apartment renovations in progress downtown on September 11, one on Reed Street, four blocks from the WTC.

Every business and project in the downtown area receives daily, truck deliveries. Subcontractors arrive, with their tools, in trucks and vans. While we were initially in favor of holding the terrorist trials in NYC, what we've heard from Community Board 1, the Police Commissioner, and Mayor Bloomberg has led us to suspect that heightened security would paralyze the downtown district. Are all these trucks to be searched? Every day? Will there be checkpoints?

Getting into and out of downtown immediately after 9/11 was difficult, and rightly so. But if we're going to go back to that level of security, and for over a year, then holding the trial downtown is a really bad idea.

Feb. 01 2010 11:12 AM
Mike

How can it be 200 Million EXTRA to police an area that is supposedly a serious target anyway? Doesn't that sound like a made up number that is there to back up an agenda?

Feb. 01 2010 11:11 AM
Matthew from Brooklyn, NY

Aren't we supposed to be finding ways to CUT costs in this economy?? New York is the most expensive place in the US that this trial could possible be held.

Feb. 01 2010 11:11 AM
Kevin from Brooklyn

September 11 also changed Shanksville PA forever. Why not have it there?

Feb. 01 2010 11:10 AM
Robert from NYC

Simply put I have no problem with the trials being held here in NYC.

Feb. 01 2010 11:02 AM

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