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Of City Budget and Terror Trials

Friday, January 29, 2010

Yesterday, Mayor Bloomberg's budget address proposed deep cuts throughout the city. Bronx Borough President Ruben Diaz Jr. and Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer discuss what the cuts could really mean for their boroughs. They will also discuss reports that Mayor Bloomberg has asked that the trial of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed be moved elsewhere.

Guests:

Ruben Diaz, Jr. and Scott M. Stringer

Comments [62]

Paolo from upstate new york

I am from Italy and years ago we had to deal with the trial of the leaders of the red brigades. The way was handled was that the terrorist were put in a high level security prison and a bunker court room was built attached to it. So there was not transportation involved, the level of security was very high and there was no disruption of any sort.
We have plenty of prisons in NYS or elsewhere with the wright requirements and would be just a matter to build the court hattached to it.
And justice would be served.

Jan. 29 2010 11:51 AM
John from Staten Island

I am there with Jim (#44). This is a suggestion as a topic for a future program. What purpose does the Office of Borough President serve? I think this NYC elective is hard to justify at a salary (recent raise of course) of $160,000 annually. The position amounts to weekly photo-ops/ self promotion events with minimal public benefit.

Jan. 29 2010 11:28 AM
Eileen Clark from Brooklyn

No. The trial should not be held anywhere in the NYC area.
You asked specifically, "If the trial is not in NYC 'will the terrorists win?' "
Ofcourse not. The terrorist have never won and never will.
Since when does killing 3000 people and continuing to threaten nations with same constitute a "win"? What an odd way to look at one of the horrors of our times! Pure Superbowl language.
As long as Americans and American politicians and media continue to use that competitive-style post-9/11 language, we will never win either.
We may have more success if we start looking at the threat of terrorism as a call for better education here and around the globe, a need for understanding other cultures, rather than a flex of American muscle. Brawn never wins in the end. Even the greatest athletes have to retire at some point.

Jan. 29 2010 11:06 AM
Gus from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

About the trial venue.

It’s very simple, find a trial venue
that would cost us the least amount
of money and try them there.

Cutting costs during dire economic times
should be above everything else, especially
Politics.

Thank You
Gus

Jan. 29 2010 10:53 AM
Vincent J Coyle Jr from Manhasset, New York (Long Island)

To suggest that the bad guys win if we decide to hold the trails elsewhere is not unlike the Obama slogan of the false choice between protecting our nation and upholding our values. In many respects, if we hold the trials here in order to vindicate some stubborn principle, the bad guys win.

Let us posit that we have the capacity to hold the terror trials in NYC. There is no question. But at what cost and why? The $1BB price tag at a time of huge government deficits seems irresponsible. Even if cost were not an issue, to turn lower Manhattan into a restricted military garrison that erodes our freedom of movement and instills fear of attack seems to aid and abet the terrorist even if the Al Qaeda never enters the Southern District of NY.

This is a point we do not need to prove. We must be smarter than the bad guys. Just as they are unwilling to confront our armed forces openly on the battlefield in a conventional battle, we, too, must approach these venue matters in less reflexive and orthodox ways.

Jan. 29 2010 10:46 AM
Vincent J. Coyle, Jr. from Manhasset, New York (Long Island)

To suggest that the bad guys win if we decide to hold the trails elsewhere is not unlike the Obama slogan of the false choice between protecting our nation and upholding our values. In many respects, if we hold the trials here in order to vindicate some stubborn principle, the bad guys win.

Let us posit that we have the capacity to hold the terror trials in NYC. There is no question. But at what cost and why? The $1BB price tag at a time of huge government deficits seems irresponsible. Even if cost were not an issue, to turn lower Manhattan into a restricted military garrison that erodes our freedom of movement and instills fear of attack seems to aid and abet the terrorist even if the Al Qaeda never enters the Southern District of NY.

This is a point we do not need to prove. We must be smarter than the bad guys. Just as they are unwilling to confront our armed forces openly on the battlefield in a conventional battle, we, too, must approach these venue matters in less reflexive and orthodox ways.

Jan. 29 2010 10:46 AM
Gus from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

About the trial venue.

It’s very simple, find a trial venue
that would cost us the least amount
of money and try them there.

Cutting costs during dire economic times
should be above everything else, especially
Politics.

Thank You
Gus

Jan. 29 2010 10:45 AM
Gus from Bay Ridge, Brooklyn

About the trial venue.

It’s very simple, find a trial venue
that would cost us the least amount
of money and try them there.

Cutting costs during dire economic times
should be above everything else, especially
Politics.

Thank You
Gus

Jan. 29 2010 10:45 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

37 Jennifer,
We’re having a trial because we are the United States of America, one of the world’s oldest and supposedly most civil democracies. We are not what our politicians call the “backwards Middle East”.
IF you want to live in the land of medieval vigilante justice, please go elsewhere. Otherwise, don’t spout any of the typical American BS about morality, civility, and Godliness.

Jan. 29 2010 10:33 AM
Harrison Bergeron from Brooklyn

The trial should be here so that we can see in plain daylight the evidence against the accused. That city officials want a military tribunal shows their hand as clearly as if they had asked for the trial to be in a subterranean mountain base. Are they by any chance afraid their case is not going to be convincing to the public? Is this really about traffic and overtime for the police? Or are various levels of government worried about stirring the 9/11 pot with so many questions unanswered?

Jan. 29 2010 10:28 AM
Mark Lennihan from Brooklyn

Brian, why not hold the trial at the Federal Court in Pittsburgh? This is not far from the crash site of Flight 93.

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
stefano giovannini from brooklyn ny

Staten island and Governor's island are NYC. The trial would be still in NYC if moved there. otherwise it would not a trial for local residents to just get on with their lives.

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
Lisa from Manhattan

Lower Manhattan will be a target no matter where the trial is held. Why fragment security measures between/among 2 or more locations?

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
Daniel from Washington Heights

Just to clarify my comment- I'm not convinced a civilian trial is the right place for this prosecution in the first place but if it is going that way, we'd have to do it right.

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
Ed from East Village

I pray for the Bronx after listening to Diaz.

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
the truth!! from BKNY

The trial should NOT be held in NY.

Jan. 29 2010 10:27 AM
BoB from NYC, NY

Move the trial to HART ISLAND. It belongs to the NYC Prison System.

Jan. 29 2010 10:26 AM
George from east marion

stringer really strings together long statements without saying anything.

Jan. 29 2010 10:26 AM
JIm from Staten Island

Brian,

Why do we even have Borough Presidents and their patronage mills?

They should get rid of them once the Board of Estimate was abolished.

Ask Mr. Stringer that, please...

Jan. 29 2010 10:26 AM
Awe from Mnahattan

There are special times when we should see beyond fiscal concerns. Bringing these people to justice, in the USA, in NYC, in the shadows of the WTC, with the sounds of reconstruction chiming in the background, as the rest of the city goes about its business, that would be priceless.

Jan. 29 2010 10:26 AM
Lisa from Manhattan

Lower Manhattan will be a target no matter where the trial is held. Better to have it here and not have the security measures split between 2 or more locations.

And as others have said, the terrorists have won when we're subject to more stringent security measures than the government seems to be able to use against the real bad guys.

Jan. 29 2010 10:25 AM
BoB from NYC, NY

Why not move the 911 trial to HART ISLAND?
It belongs to the NYC Prison System.

Jan. 29 2010 10:25 AM
JohnG from Manhattan

Come on Mr. Mayor, CB1, Real Estate Board et al.
Cowboy Up!
Hold the trial here!

Jan. 29 2010 10:25 AM
Bob from Pelham

The City's budget problem is mainly caused by the state refusing to make hard decisions. Ask the Bronx Borough President to lean on his State Senator father to get something done other than arguing about who gets the bigger lulus and member items.

Jan. 29 2010 10:24 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

#13 Tara,
What goes around comes around… I’d hate to be around when you get your due. Maybe you’d be happier in the Middle East where your views are more in line with public policy.

Jan. 29 2010 10:24 AM
Jennifer Karan from Upper West Side, Manhattan

On Khalid Shaik Mohammed - Please, could someone please explain to me WHY we are even giving this self-proclaimed terrorist and co-conspirator on the 9/11 attacks a trial??? The point of this is what, beyond throwing away more tax-payer dollars??? If we do "owe" him a trial for some reason, let it be a non-civilian trial given thru the military, and ship him out to the mid-west or to some military base elsewhere. New York has paid ENOUGH already!

Jan. 29 2010 10:23 AM
Daniel from Washington Heights

I know this is an unpopular reasoning, but the trial should be moved because KSM is ENTITLED to a change of venue. The jury pool here is tainted. There's no way around it. So... Guam?

Jan. 29 2010 10:23 AM
john from office

Diaz Appears to have taken diction lessons. But you can take the boy out of the Bronx, but you cannot take the Bronx out of the boy.

Jan. 29 2010 10:22 AM
Erik Johanson from Lincroft, NJ

A billion dollar price tag??? Where does that come from? Sounds like D.O.D. procurement of $150 hammers. Most likely Bloomberg wants to scam the Feds for extra cash.

Jan. 29 2010 10:22 AM
kay

it's ridiculous to use cost and logistics as excuses for not conducting justice properly. our justice system and community should be strong enough to try criminals in the place the crimes were committed. if not it's just a publicity stunt, political acts.

Jan. 29 2010 10:22 AM
yourgo from astoria

I think we should try him in NY,. this is the perfect place to serve justice. The arguement against having the trial here is political. Where do they propose the trials be set? NYers are not scared like the rest of the country is. We are patriots and we are willing too sacrifice for the good of the country the way we sacroficed on 9/11. Bring on the trials. we want justice.! Republican politicians from other parts of the country should not be telling NYers what to do

Jan. 29 2010 10:21 AM
scnex from earth, harlem

what about WTC7 where the mayor, cia, nypd had offices - buildings do not free fall on there own!!!!

Jan. 29 2010 10:21 AM
stefano giovannini from brooklyn ny

It would really create too much disruption in a high density and commercial area. what would happen to the subway lanes and the chinese restaurants?
And Canal street would become a traffic nightmare with all the security and media.
Why not try him in some converted warehouse in the middle of nowhere in Staten Island or maybe at the Aviator? there is plenty of empty buildings there at the old airport that could be used.

Or Governor's island with all those empty barracks would be ideal

Jan. 29 2010 10:21 AM
Marielle from Brooklyn

I'm thinking of what a logistical nightmare it will be. Lower Manhattan has already been a horrific mess of traffic (both vehicles and pedestrians) for the last 8 years. How much worse will it be when the trial starts?

Jan. 29 2010 10:20 AM
Gianluca Tramontana from East Village

I noted to comment on Brian's question on whether moving the trial elsewhere would mean that the terrorists have won. Well.... the terrorists have already won! Has anybody taken an airplane flight recently? It seems that people never got to the part of the article that said the Detroit bomber FAILED in his attempt. Out of the millions of flights that have taken off since 911, there have been only two FAILED attempts. If only driving were that safe. Terrorizing the general public with over-the-top security takes the job of creating terror away from the terrorists. Because you stand a higher chance of getting into an automobile accident than you do getting into an automobile accident, should we all be terrified of getting into a car?

Jan. 29 2010 10:17 AM
Ira from NYC

I think its a mistake for caving into this "not in my back yard" mentality. When will it end? To try these criminals in lower Manhattan is a tribute to democracy. Anything else is a cop out....

Jan. 29 2010 10:17 AM
Jerry from ny

couldn't we spend the $$ better way? why pay for circus outcome of which we already know? what's the point of it all? what's to be gained?

Jan. 29 2010 10:17 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

And on Lower Manhattan being a residential community. Please lead a charge for banning residential development in the governmental, financial, business, and industrial neighborhoods of this city. A hand full of people living in important areas of this city have far too much power to sway what’s best for the city—and in this case, the country—as a whole.

Jan. 29 2010 10:17 AM
John Weber from Jersey Shore

Regarding terror trials, it seems everyone is claiming the opposite economic impact of what is usually claimed in similar situations. If they were going to "build something" with a combo of federal and state funding, everyone would be talking about the jobs, the economic BENEFIT, and the multipliers therein. If you are paying someone $25 an hour to stop cars and check ID's, or if you are paying someone $25/hr to swing a hammer....what's the difference? If it were the hammer-swingers, everyone would be talking about the additional business, the lunch orders, the coffees, perhaps some additional shopping. I'd say this trial will bring in more people with money and or expense accounts like journalists, lawyers, gov't agency officials. More disposable income than the hammer-swingers.

Jan. 29 2010 10:16 AM
Charles from Brooklyn

New York City pre 9/11 would have held the trial of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed without complaint. Letting fear dictate our decisions concedes defeat, and is not in keeping with what is means to be a New Yorker.

Jan. 29 2010 10:16 AM
Nancy Duggan from Morristown, NJ

Robert from NYC, as an old lady I am extremely offended by your comment.

Jan. 29 2010 10:16 AM
Andrea from Manhattan

Brian, I don't understand why you're positioning moving the terror trials as potentially based on "fear." Downtown residents suffered enough as the result of the initial act of terrorism, and the effects of the destruction, the ambulances going by daily, the rubble, the street construction, the small businesses gone bankrupt -- these effects still linger on today. Why should the same residents be forced to re-live security lockdowns of their streets, more bankruptcies of small businesses due to those same lockdowns, and the traumatic memories stirred by the trial evidence. Resident of that neighbourhood have been quietly courageous and little noticed. Why punish them again for others' acts?

Jan. 29 2010 10:15 AM
Empka from Brooklyn

This trial could be held anywhere! How is moving it blinking? This will go on a long time and inconvenience all of us who live and work downtown. Fear? No. Expense? Yes. Bother? Yes.

Jan. 29 2010 10:14 AM
john from office

Springer sounds like a scholar, Diaz remains silent, because he is in over his head.

Jan. 29 2010 10:14 AM
Nancy Duggan from Morristown, NJ

I can see Bin Laden smirking at the fearful hand-wringing over the location of these trials. Let's all man up and try Khalid in New York, where he belongs.

Jan. 29 2010 10:14 AM
Geo from NYC

If the mayor thinks it costs too much to have sufficient security for a terrorist trial in NYC, and the trial can be done more efficiently elsewhere, then this does NOT mean the terrorists win, it is simply a matter of dollars and sense.

Jan. 29 2010 10:13 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Yes, the terrorists have won.
The City likes to talk about how tough and brave its citizens, public employees, and elected officials are, but when it comes to prosecuting those who attacked us—The United States of America—everyone starts releasing their bowels and rocking in the corner.
Sorry if that doesn’t sound sympathetic, but if you’re not living up to your rhetoric, then it is what it is. Fear mongering has accomplished what politicians wanted it to and the terrorists have won.

Jan. 29 2010 10:13 AM
LaUREE FELDMAN from manhattan

terror trial in lower manhattan, NO WAY.
NY has already paid the expense of that hit.
Asking NY and NYers to pay some more (tax money and inconvenience) to administer justice unjust.

I think the terror trials should be held in Crawford, TX.

Jan. 29 2010 10:13 AM
Erik Johanson from Lincroft, NJ

Absolutely the terrorist win. Come on Americans, show a fraction of the courage our troops exhibit. You willingly send them into hostile enviroments overseas, but quake in fear to hold a trial here. Scared terrorist will attack if we exercize one of the foundations of our democracy.

Jan. 29 2010 10:13 AM
Tara Mekosh from Long Island

I think they should dump them off in the middle of Times Square and let the New Yorkers have at them! That would be justice.

Jan. 29 2010 10:13 AM
mgdu from hell's kitchen

ducking when a bullet is fired at you is not losing, not ducking is losing.

Jan. 29 2010 10:12 AM
Crowe from Ridgewood from Ridgewood, New York

I think it's very important that the KSM trial be held in this city, which bore the brunt of the 9/11 attack. We earned the right to try these criminals. If it would be too dispruptive to have it in Lower Manhattan then move it to Governor's Island.

Jan. 29 2010 10:12 AM
Aaron

I don't think moving the trial outside of NYC equates to "the terrorists win". I don't think that our holding terror trials, in or out of NYC, was one of "the terrorists" objectives.

Jan. 29 2010 10:12 AM
Seth from NYC

I am not afraid to have him here but who is going to pay the $1 billion it will cost? Will teachers and firefighters be fired to pay for the trial? Move the trial to Peoria, IL. It will cost almost nothing and give him less publicity to spread his message of hatred to America.

Jan. 29 2010 10:11 AM
Ben from Brooklyn

No, moving the 9/11 trials from lower Manhattan doesn't mean that "the terrorists win."

It simply means that the city which is willing to stand up to Al Qaeda is unwilling to stand up to the Real Estate Board of New York.

Jan. 29 2010 10:11 AM
David Blaustein from Live in Clinton Hill Brooklyn

Wow -- do the terorists win by being tried at a different location? What a pointless, sensationalistic MSM question. If you want to imagine the terrorists winning, look to a blockbuster movie or Fox TV show. This is a trial that will likely result in the death penalty. Brian - get with reality. Shame on you.

Jan. 29 2010 10:10 AM
john from office

The trial should be moved because of econimics, not fear. It would be too expensive to have it in lower Manhattan. There are more appropriate places for this trial.

Jan. 29 2010 10:09 AM
Joe Corrao from 4eyedanimation.com

as long as we honor our own laws and charge them, try them and free or sentence according to the laws of our Constitution the trial can be anywhere.

Jan. 29 2010 10:09 AM
jeff pappas from Ct.

Too bad this trial has to become political. The Crime of 911 was committed in NYC and should be set in NYC. Oh , the terrorists have won since we are changing or Democracy to suit the Fears of politicians.

Jan. 29 2010 10:08 AM
john from office

Robert if your comparing Bloomberg to Diaz, you are sooo off base. It is the difference between intellect and leadership v. Fraud and ignorance.

Jan. 29 2010 10:04 AM
Robert from NYC

Most assuredly there will be clips in this segment of your mayor speaking on this thus I won't listen today so as not to have to be irritated by his irritating, twangy, high-pitched, old lady voice.

Jan. 29 2010 09:51 AM
john from office

Brian, why can you not find a better representative for the hispanic community than Mr. Diaz. The guy from el Dario is an excellent interview and he has real intellect. Mr. Diaz is a poor speaker and an embarrassment: indicative of the poor quality of the leadership in the Bronx. His analysis is juvenile. You do a disservice to hispanics, or latinos as you would call my people, with this guest. His last appearence, where he recommended negociating with gang memebers was a disaster. there are Latino doctors and Lawyers and indian chiefs, that can make excellent guests. You always give a soapbox to inarticulate, ignorant Blacks and Latinos, such as your Haiti interviews and segments with Rappers. You would never have a White Rapper appear to discuss important issues, don't do it for "nonwhites", it is an insult.

Jan. 29 2010 08:55 AM

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