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Bernard: seems a good bit of illogic you've just written, and I can't confidently decipher But, I think you mean legalize and the hood element goes away. somehow, i kinda think the market will hold on to the most potent versions, the ones that cause violent clashes and that aren't likely to be legalized. Trust Fund- or Slope-sourced or whatever other kind version you prefer being legalized won't stop that. I'm going with my personal experience and with the concurring opinion of law enforcement - they know the drug's use and environmental consequences in all its forms and remain against legalization of any form. I don't want to continue being the externality for your kind and safer, if unneighborly version of weedsmoking.
This out-of-the-blue law stunned me; Brian's discussion today didn't enlighten me; and the comments here are foolish. I'm not unfamiliar with recreational drugs; but when my husband became an addict and died of an overdose obviously it changed my life and my thinking. I ask this. If there is a useful painkiller in pot, and many people think there is, then why are we not turning it into a regulated, refined, and controlled-dose medicine that can be used therapeutically by doctors? What's with this ridiculous system of a street drug used in a medical twilight? We should be consistent in the way we treat powerful drugs, and should make alcohol, tobacco and marijuana harder to abuse rather than having inconsistent, weird, political and subcultural ways of giving access to them.
just wondering. how does marijuana grown for medical purposes differ from the marijuana bought on the street? (besides the risk that its laced with something more dangerous). Is it more/less potent?
no potsmoking pratt students, or stoops, around here!
try u like
i SMOKE POT ONE AND AGIEN, NO HARM
geri- you just proved my point. legalization eliminates your claim that your neighbors associating with the "underside of it". sounds like you might be forced to move if the authorities don't sympathize with you on this- try moving to jersey....oh wait....scratch that
Pardon, screener. This is a close issue to me because I have crime, criminals, and problems on a block that was nice before marijuana came in the form of my neighbors - Pratt students who buy from the hood. Now the police have told me they can really do nothing and the children in the building are forced to walk through weed clouds every day. It is not the happy hippy version of yesteryear in its content or environment, and the attempts to legalize along with low penalties for the worst violation ($250 summons) make marijuana use a joy of the upper class who can screen themselves from the underside of it. There is no recommended safe side to this. We should leave the "open your mind" platitudes out of this. I have tried all civil ways to address this, but none work. My mind stays open, an open mind leading to thoughtful decision: weed, no.
gericall the police or call 311!
geri-well, you changed my mind, because if there's one thing that i hate more than uptight anti-weed people it's pratt students. pratt students living in ft.greene,clinton hill, bed stuy and smoking weed on their trust fund $ is pretty offensive i must agree.but i don't understand your criminal element/insulation statement. weed should be legal for medical use and for recreational use. smelling cigarette smoke and pork chops frying is offensive to me but it's part of living in nyc in our tight conditions.
"geri- sounds like you're a bit uptight. maybe you should visit your neighbors and open your mind."
on the open mind point, I am always amused at the paradox of the people who charge "open your mind," but it does reveal some real deficiency in thought process for people who can't distinguish between a decision made (based on open-minded consideration) and actually having an open mind.
"Open your mind" is the sham that becomes your post, "duuude. just go with it." it seems an open mind could suit you.
Bernard: it is the arrogance in your post that I have come to expect. On the 10th visit to ask my neighbor, "Excuse me, can you please keep the weed smoke out of the hallway for the sake of the kids in the building." I now get a hostile response. I have never gone to them hostile but, now, of course, this is what it is.
Your response is typical of one or two types, the person who is just selfish enough not to care about invasive smoke in a public space, or a weedhead. Where I live they're all Pratt kids, i.e. getting blunted on daddy's money while living in optional filth and dabbling in the hood because it makes them feel real. trust - we have hood for them they don't really want.
ive smoked mj daily for five, six years now... and ive never TOUCHED any other drug. not even the glamorous prescription stuff like vic and oxy. so no, mj is not a gateway drug like my dare officer taught me when i was 11.
i know so many people who used marijuana and went on to use cocaine, heroin etc...some overdosed, some even died BUT that has nothing to do with them smoking marijuana. people who are addicts like this have a disorder and a weakness for all drugs/alcohol and their marijuana use is incidental. what if every addict that died also tok nyquil at some point in their life, should nyquil be banned?
john,u sold me. marijuana bad, it turns young people into hateful racists.
Tobacco smoking has been shown to alleviate the symptoms of Parkinsons, Schizophrenia and Tourettes. I'm no fan of the stuff, personally. It's highly addictive.
I know from personal experience.
To the caller Dan who was using medical marijuana to self-medicate.
I've suffered from depression for many years and found marijuana to be useful for a brief period of time. It helped a bit but it did not last for very long.
Marijuana is a beautiful medicinal herb, helpful in alleviating painful symptoms but it is not a cure all and cannot replace trained professionals.
geri- sounds like you're a bit uptight. maybe you should visit your neighbors and open your mind.
The taking-with-food argument is the only justification for 2 ounces a month. Brian knows his weed, obviously, because, yeah: that much smoked means you're a major stoner or you're buying for friends. Which is fine. I think it should be legalized, but gmab.
12 "Johnfromoffice" we gotta get you outa the office, brutha!
I'm all in favor of this (and broader decriminalization) but lets be honest- 2 oz/month is a LOT of marijuana, even if consumed by means other than smoking. I recreationally smoke ~2-3x/week and use less than an oz in a *year*.
Patients "stoned out of their minds?" Jeez Brian - that's low of you! We're talking about people with illnesses that have AGONIZING symptoms.
I'm glad you're not in the anesthesiology field....
12 -- well for starters they are not allowed to sell pot to young lives unless those young lives are suffering from a serious chronic illness.
also your assertion that pot ruins young lives is an opinion (yours) not a fact. if you disapprove i suggest you do your best to keep it away from the young lives for whom you serve as gatekeeper...that's certainly what i will/would do -- considering it's the law...
to john from office- how does pot ruin young lives?? that's an irresponsible and ignorant statement and it just perpetuates the lies surrounding this issue. pot DOES NOT lead to stronger drug use and there is no addiction and no violence associated with it.
Stoned out of their minds is right. What is she saying??? Marijuana doesn't make you high??? This is ridiculous. Kids in my building should not have to walk through a weed cloud in the hallway of the building. Police no longer respond to marijuana calls, possesion. I'm not even talking morality - I'm talking an invasive smell and element. Hippy-Affluent folks lobbying for this can insulate themselves from the criminal element STILL attached to marijuana. We are going down a bad road.
2 oz of mj is A LOT. i recreationally use 1 oz a month... and im a daily user.
john from office, please step into the 21st century. all the propoganda about the weed is just that... 1950s scare tactics shouldnt affect you so much anymore.
peg -- otherwise known as a new business...i'd put that particular aspect in the plus catagory...
Johnny S what would the benifit of cigarettes or cigars be?
My niece, a Californian, started out as a wild teenager smoking marijuana and drinking, and progressed on to crystal meth and major problems. After years of being in and out of rehab, in and out of jail, coming close to death on several occasions, she has been leading a normal, happy, productive life since being prescribed medical marijuana several years ago. It has kept her from craving meth.
A friend of mine has Chiari Malformation and that is a structural defect in the cerebellum, the part of the brain that controls balance. When the indented bony space at the lower rear of the skull is smaller than normal, the cerebellum and brainstem can be pushed downward. She is on a bunch of pain killers that put her in a haze and she is always in pain in some way shape or form. It is a shame that this disorder does not fall under the legislations requirements because i think she could benefit from medical Marijuana.
Pot ruins young lives, what will be the safeguards to protect youth??
In some states medical marijuana is also being distributed as a tincture made from marijuana plants that are high in CBDs (that are more effective at pain control) and lower in THC (so it doesn't get you high). Will this form of medical marijuana be legal in NJ?
Brian work in the smae sex marriage issue into this segment too. Oh, sorry Marriage equality!!
hate when laws get passed half baked. go all or nothing... not this semi-legalizing crud.
Who are the "official" growers who will be supplying the "drug" to State dispenseries? Sounds like a great windfall to some.
nah it will probably just make internet message board posters slightly less bilious. just a short ride on the paff, man.
Can you imagine the uproar if a doctor prescribed cigarettes or cigars for patients?
That is good news, maaan.......
OMGoodness what a mistake! Just sit back and watch the population grow in Jersey!
Let's change our plates to "The Magic Garden State!"
(for a backup "Taxation Without Comprehension" works for me)
why can't the press just call out how hypocritical all the rhetoric is surrounding the opposition to the legalization of cannabis? it's perfectly alright for an MD to prescribe oxycontin or prozac or administer an opiate but it will degrade our society and kill our kids if the same MD prescribes a harmless, natural, beneficial and cheap plant to alleviate the pain associated with the same ailment?WNYC and other vehicles of public disclosure- tell the people why this hypocrisy exists, please!it's politicians and pharmaceutical companies playing on the fears of the ignorant and naive members of our population for their own monetary gain. they won't make tons of money and politicians won't get huge donations from the sale and success of medical marijuana. please inform the people how damaging and dangerous a drug like oxycontin is and how harmless marijuana is to those who haven't tried or experienced the benefits of this plant that grows naturally out of our beautiful earth.NJ legislators finally had some common sense but the rhetoric against this and the amount of nay votes is still a shocking reminder of how ignorant and corrupt our representatives are.
how much do we spend on the failed drug war every year??
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