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TSA Enhanced Security Reaction

Tuesday, January 05, 2010

The TSA has adopted a policy that will closely screen airline passengers from 14 countries. How do Americans from those countries feel about the new measures? Abdi Aynte is Somali journalist and editor with Voice of America; Iraqi journalist Abdul Razzaq Al-Saiedi is a fellow at the Kennedy School at Harvard and contributor to the New York Times At War blog; Havovi Cooper, originally from Pakistan and a production assistant at Thomson Reuters; and Omoyele Sowore, a Nigerian, is publisher of SaharaReporters.com.

Are you from one of the countries on the list? Have you traveled to one of these countries recently, or been subject to enhanced screening in the last day or two? Tell your story below!

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Comments [66]

Anne from Nigeria.

I have not travelled outside Nigeria since Christmas so, I don't really know how tight security is for Nigerians and the other blacklisted Nationals have been but I would like to comment on the lackadaisical attitude of the officials that were warned by Umar Farouk's Father; Never in my life have seen such weakness, slothfulness and careless, irresponsible and untrained attitude.
If Anti-Terrorism is really the focus of the state of America, (which is very good) how come their guys didn't buy into the Vision? It's so sad that Nigerians(150,000,000) people have been blacklisted for the error of unfocused personnel in American Embassy who could not convert such relevant information from Farouk's father into anything meaningful (For someone's father(a man of that caliber) to make such grave report about his own son? they should have acted immediately; again that shows that Nigerians are not into TERRORISM(Nigerians love life 99.9% of Nigerians would rather die suffering than go into suicide bombings(It's not in our character to kill because we know how to enjoy life and be thankful to God for a better and brighter tomorrow).
I hereby urge the government of American to reconsider the stance on Nigeria...The people(Nigerians) are innocent but Farouk and him alone, should face the music for his wicked and unjustifiable act destruction.

Jan. 08 2010 05:09 PM
Fisayo Okusanya from Niheria

Truth is that list is simply diversionary! Obama owned up to the fact that US security goofed but appears they dont want us to feast on that,so we got to have something else to debate...hence this ridiculous list of terrorist nations

Jan. 08 2010 12:21 AM
Chris Dibor from Lagos, Nigeria

BTW, I also ALL other brands of fundamentalism

Jan. 07 2010 11:00 PM
Chris Dibor from Lagos, Nigeria

I am a Nigerian Christian. I hate muslim fundamentalism but have lots of wonderful muslim friends whom i trust more than many of my "Christian" friends. Why blacklist Nigeria on this point? Whose fault is it that the US security network failed to use info from a source as authentic as the MF's father? Give me a break! How many saudis were involved in blowing yp WTC on 9/11? about 11! Is Saudi blacklisted? Give me another break! Jesus was very smart - he knew the heart of men so he made it clear that only by your fruits will you be known, not your name tag or posturing..
I am even more worried by growing American fundamentalism.
with this kind of silly over-reaction. I as a Nigerian Christian fell highly insulted; imagine how the peace-loving muslim population will feel.
Guess what? Every Nigeria should just stay away from USA until the insult is retracted. If its not, perhaps the time together at home will make us look closely at ourselves and determine to fix our country so it will be good enough to do "shakara" or "inyanga" with...I never thought I would say this but " I am proudly Nigerian!" There, you see, something good may yet come out of that American insult

Jan. 07 2010 10:44 PM
philip from brooklyn

full body scan is a great deterrent..

I would rest easier if i knew everyone and every bag was searched/scanned/sniffed .

why hope - scan,search,sniff,.. if it saves one life its worth the hassle..


Jan. 07 2010 11:12 AM
Joseph Okemefula from Lagos

Listing Nigeria as a potential terrorist country is unfair and unacceptable. Nigeria had no role in this alleged atrocity apart from parental link. This is a guy that is British-educated& Yemeni oriented. So why leave the buttocks that messed and land knocks on the head??? Nigeria deserve respect for its contribution towards world peace efforts and as a regional power can overthrow US influence in the region and prop up China if this escalates. Yes, US too will loose. I'm sure thats not how they will keep their dominance. Do I need to teach them lessons on why empires crumble???

Jan. 07 2010 10:59 AM
phantom from Nigeria

sorry voter and bernard, my comment was meant for JJ & one other idiot dat knows him self.

Jan. 07 2010 10:03 AM
JUSTICE FOR AMERICA from Accra GHANA

Nigerians are not terrorist and we will never be.A case of one rich silly boy can't make the whole nation a terrorist nation. the Americans knows that too. No Nigerian want to blow him self up for any silly religion. A Nigeria needs money to take back home to shine. that umar guy ... See Moreneeds to be tested maybe he was given opium or something. We Nigerian are full of life enjoyment corruption fraud bad government bad Nigerian roads no electricity. poverty lots of jealousy among family members arm robbers inside Nigeria. kickback bribe. Nation with no president or rather sick in the arabian wherever pullution and many more.but terrorism No No No.

Jan. 07 2010 08:59 AM
C Ihejirika from Abuja

Back to history lane, who introduced State sponsored terrorism to the world? USA, Britain, France, Italy and Belgium.
Lets we forget those who tactcally killed Promissing African leaders in the 60s. Patrice Lumumbe & co. CIA under a contract with the king of Belgium. Who has been trying to assasinate Fidel Castro since 1959? CIA. Who have been sponsoring overthrow of Governments in latin America and Africa for economic reasons? USA, Britain, France, Belgium.Who initially trained Osama Bin Laden the Mujahadin? CIA & MI5.Who partnered in the trade of illicit drugs to fund their coldwar era espionage operations? CIA under the likes of George Bush senior.
Whose children have been caught hiring mercinaries for coup de'tate in Africa? Margaret Tatcher's son Mark Tatcher. Who was caught selling arms to criminal in the black market in Africa? the son of Francois Miterrand.Who are running the numerous Tax Heavens arround the world laundering stolen funds for corrupt african and asian leaders? the same countries mentioned above. Can we now say that we know who the criminals and terrorists are and have always been? your guess is as good as mine. I hereby rest my case.

Jan. 07 2010 06:12 AM
phantom from Nigeria

@ Voter & Bernard, One of you guys must have had KKK heritage. Have any of you ever been to Nigeria before? i know the your answer will be 'NO'. Do you know that Nigeria is divided into a christian south & a moslem north? Have any of you taken a boat ride from your country to anywhere in Europe? If you have, then you will not even suggest it to any one. The two of you must have been born with a very GOLDEN spoon inbetween your TEETH. Do you know that i have not being inside an airplane before? You people are so priveilaged over there that you are blinded by what is happening in the world. If any of you guys are coloured then it's a shame. You people talk about racism but you people are the greatest racist. You people say that Al Qaueda is out to destroy your country, whereas in my country we are constant targets by the moslems every living blessed day. Try living in a country where your neighbor might wake up one morning & say dat Allah told him to kill all christians especially 'ibo's'. But guess wat we have learn't to live and deal wit it without being racist. No wonder Al Qaueda hates you guys so much. We have produced only one terrorist while your country and kenya has produced God knows how many. Our terrorist failed while your terrorist & kenyan's killed hundreds. Where is your country and kenya's name on the list. You people say 'God bless America' but i think God does not favour the unjust.

Jan. 07 2010 05:55 AM
Prince Babs (Angola) from Staten Island

It seems it has become a normal habit of Prez Obama to jump on conclusion and later say (I wouldnt have put it in that way). First of all, he made the conclusion before the
investigation was released.

We have seen Briton Bombers
We have seen America born bombers
We have seen Kenyan Bombers

Why is not Britains, Kenyans, even Americans on the terrorist list? This is purely rubbish and discriminating. If it is for the security wise, I think everybody including americans should be body-scanned.

Some facts have been revealed about Nigeria and US tie.
1. Nigerian govt. recently ignored the US bid to revalidate US License on Nigerian Petroleum Sector instead danced to China music.

2. A lay man knows that, it will automatically worsen the bad shape of US economy.

3. Now the Nigerian Senate is giving US an ultimatum of 7 days to delist their country for the US benefits or face Diplomatic row.. What a shame on US! As things are going now, US will have no option to delist Nigeria or face PENDING OF CRUDE EXPORTATION TO US WHICH IS THE MAJOR OIL EXPORTER TO THE UNITED STATES.

4. I think the Nigerians will have nothing to lose here than US embassies in Nigeria to stop issuing Visas to Nigerians.

5. We all know Nigerians with slogan "Suffering and Smiling" Can Americans withstand that same heat under the present economy situation? I guess no.

6. If Saudi Arabia didnt protest, We all know the 9/11 Terrorists are Arabians... If Yemen, Somalia and other muslim countries didnt protest, we all know the terrorists emerged from there. If Cuba didnt protest, they know America has nothing to gain from them. But in case of Nigeria, The Americans need Nigerian oil to survive.

Jan. 07 2010 02:18 AM
Damian Amadi

There is no moral justification to include Nigeria on the terrorist list. President Obama jumped into conclusion even before the investigation was released. What of the home grown terrorists in America. Please it would be in the best interest of America to re-thing the inclusion of Nigeria.

Jan. 06 2010 11:38 PM
Paul I. Adujie from New York, New York

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/paul-adujie/generalizations-against-nigerian-muslims-nigerians-and-nigeria.html

It is such terrible shame that some would seek to demean Nigerian Muslims, other Nigerians and Nigeria as a nation, when in fact criminals and their crimes are not peculiar to any nation, especially in the face of homegrown religious extremists right here in America itself! Richard Reid is not a Nigerian.

The murderer who assassinated former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin is not a Nigerian. Rabbi Kahane is not a Nigerian, Major Hassan is not a Nigerian. Timothy Micveigh was not a Nigerian. John Walker Lindh the Taliban is not a Nigerian. Ted Kaczynski the Unabomber is not a Nigerian. The woman who attacked the Pope on Christmas eve is not a Nigerian. Christian extremists militants who the name of God and in the name of being anti abortion shoot, to kill, shoot to maim and shoot to murder medical doctors in America, are extremist and dangerous across the world and across all religions. Religious extremism is global and it is an affliction endured by all. Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab is accused of a crime and he should be judged accordingly to the fullest extent of the laws and based on the evidence.

Crimes and criminals demean us all, with their negative impacts and in their equally negative consequences or outcomes. Crimes and criminals are like religious extremism-militancy, they are like virtues and vices which are part of human frailties and foibles, warts and all and are universal.

Not peculiarly Nigerian.

It is therefore a shame and disgrace on the part of those who are exploiting the Northwest/Delta flight 253 incident to disparage Nigerian Muslims, Nigerian Security Services and Nigeria as a country!

Jan. 06 2010 10:12 AM
J from Charlottesville, VA

Somalia.

The thing that struck me more than anything out of this discussion is that Somali security caught someone with a similar explosive device at the airport, stopping a possible attack.

Somalia.

Isn't that the country with the failed government? The place run by pirates? The place in a constant state of unrest and war?

How does a failed state manage to stop such a terrorist attempt, and the U.S. security apparatus -- with advanced notice -- whiff so badly they might as well have been facing the wrong way at the plate?

This is screwy.

Jan. 05 2010 05:51 PM
sehrish from new york

i like what havovi said- exceptions should not be made for those who may have a different persona or appear to be from a privilaged background.

Jan. 05 2010 03:22 PM
JJ@48

(ps i will admit that the argument of whether people "need" to fly is ridiculous!)

Jan. 05 2010 01:17 PM
JJ@48

49 voter i'm not getting at anything but i respectfully ask you to consider the breaking of the status quo. for your argument is that of maintaining the status quo. of all the businesses and other enterprises that you mention, i don't see any that MUST exist for me to breath air. do new yorkers need grapes from chile? no. clothes from china? absolutely not. did russia need jeffery sachs and half of harvard to fly over their and tell them how to run their economy? i'm guessing his answer would be the same as mine, no way man!

anyway as far as companies, officials, ngos, as i said earlier, if flying is a viable business then SOME carriers will continue to exist, regardless of the dangers, so long as they are motivated as businesses. let el al pick up the tab of safety if i want safety, build it into their ticket prices; if i am willing to take the risk of less safety, i'd choose wal mart air or air nigeria.

Jan. 05 2010 01:15 PM
Voter from Brooklyn

I’m not sure what you’re getting at JJ@48, but with without commercial air travel, the United States economy would fail along with any status as any kind of superpower. Private jets, corporate jets, Air Force 1, and Carnival Cruise Lines cannot compensate for socially, politically, culturally, and economically necessary air travel.
Members of Congress, Fortune 500 companies’ employees, US government employees, and members of the Armed Forces or members of their families usually need to fly on commercial airlines. Many every-day professions require international air travel to survive.
Architects doing work in the US for foreign clients may be required to go to their clients in order to maintain relationships and have work. The US fashion industry and any media covering it would die without international travel. NGOs offering aid, the Peace Corps, and MSF (which has done work in the US) would all be affected without commercial air travel. The list goes on.

Jan. 05 2010 12:24 PM
jj

47 re 39b

nobody has to fly. the proof is at least 6000 years of people who didn't fly. despite the so called reality of so called "globalization." (obviously i disagree with that term. globalization is when chinese escape from their trashed country and show up by the billions, not the millions we're seeing today in usa and canada.)

Jan. 05 2010 11:43 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Bernard Joseph,
On travel… You’re thinking in a pre-global economy. Proctor and Gamble, Colgate Palmolive, Altria, General Motors, General Electric, The NYC Tourism Board (who need foreigners to come here and spend money), Wall Street, members of Congress, Exxon Mobile, Kodak, Ford, members of the armed forces who’s family goes to visit them, most US colleges and universities, and any naturalized US citizen going to visit family abroad on top of medical tourists would beg to differ with you on the necessity of going overseas by air.

Jan. 05 2010 11:29 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Bernard Joseph @ 44,
You are correct, we are talking about airline safety so I’ll limit my previous comment to McVeigh, Nichols, Gadahn, and Lindh. I assume the first two are some kind of Christian and the last two are Muslim converts. One of the converts had a Jewish grandmother. All are white, all are US born. I’m sure all would be sympathetic to the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon and the presumptive attack on the US Capitol Building.
Let’s look at the largely white and all American Tea Party movement. Thousands of anti-government, Christian, and thoroughly radicalized white people on planes with a bone to pick. Let’s not forget about their buddies in the US south west. Think any of them haven’t thought of getting on a plane from Mexico full of Mexicans and downing it to stop the foreign threat? Think a Tea Party McCarthy Reganite wouldn’t try to wound the great evil that is the US government given the chance? Maybe we should look at the threats of the future as well as those of the present and not too distant past.

Jan. 05 2010 11:26 AM
asdf

42 -- ben

brian has certain holes in his knowledge base, as do many of us. w him international matters, especially unpleasant facts relating to wars, is one of them.

many of us fall into this category, even a decade after 911.

give him credit for catching up a bit on business matters.

liberal bias works best in nyc...god bless nyc.

Jan. 05 2010 11:15 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

voter from brooklyn-
once again- we're talking about AIRLINE SAFETY.
americans do not HAVE to go overseas where flying is necessary.

Jan. 05 2010 11:05 AM
Ben from NY

Brian - I don't understand you.

Smart guy that you are, how did you let it go unchallenged when that guy claimed that Syria is on the list just because of 'politics'? How about the fact that Syria has allowed loads of terrorists to attack our troops by letting them go over into Iraq from their soil? What about the terrorists that they allow to be based there? And terrorist camps there too. And their close ties with Iran.

There is plenty of reason there, not just 'politics'.

Jan. 05 2010 11:02 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

Jon P.- yes, that's sorta what i'm saying- more vetting in the travel visa process- not the country of origin. if you're muslim from michigan you should endure extra screening, unfortunately.

Jan. 05 2010 10:54 AM
makesugohmm

10 -- "First, you don't "voluntarily" get on a plane... it's usually the only way to get from point A to B. Try taking a bus to Europe or Asia. Or Amtrak from NY to Washington (better off on a bus to Europe)."

Good point on a segment for tunnels? Meanwhile there's always boats or the classic, "don't go at all...."

Jan. 05 2010 10:52 AM
Jon P. from The Garden State

Bernard Joseph @ 24

Your right, 99% of Muslims are not out to blow up America. But radical Muslimism is a religion, not a race. Your white trash next door neighbor with car parts scattered across the front yard could be a Muslim radical in a spleeper cell and you would never know it. Why in gods name would a terrorist dress and act the part of a muslim so he/she can get caught? Check everyone as if we are all terrorists.

Jan. 05 2010 10:47 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

voter from brooklyn- of course white christians have done horrible things over the course of history (much worse than the muslims have done). this is not what we're talking about here; we're talking about the current safety of airline travel so naming all those past events doesn't make sense.
and flying is a privelege. yes, of course it's commerce also but no one HAS to fly in an airplane to the US. just like driving a car is a privelege, not a right and there are rules we have to follow to drive a car.

Jan. 05 2010 10:44 AM
doink

33/hjs re cuba good point -- in fact logically that is most likely why cubans made this list. re tsa agents in china i'm guessing a big yes.

Jan. 05 2010 10:41 AM
Morris from Nj

I am a Brit living in NJ and wonder why Britain isn't on the list being as we gave you Mr. Reid the shoebomber? Nigeria and Cuba are political choices in my opinion.

I believe everyone shold be screened and if that means longer check in times then so be it.

Jan. 05 2010 10:38 AM
CBrown

New regulations and lists, generally issued in response to a specific tactic AFTER the event, do not make me feel safer when flying. Displays of common sense do.

I flew to Minnesota and back for a theater job shortly after 9/11. In my bag, I had my toiletry kit and an 8" steel C-wrench. Flying out of JFK, the TSA agent took my nail clippers out and broke the file off. Then she pulled out my 8" steel C-wrench, looked at it, and called over her supervisor, who said, "It's not on the list, so it's OK."

On the return trip, the TSA agent confiscated my file-less nail clipper, then pulled out my 8" steel C-wrench, looked at it, and called over her supervisor, who said, "It's not on the list, so it's OK."

This did not inspire my confidence.

Jan. 05 2010 10:38 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Bernard Joseph @ 24,
Have you heard of whites and Christians using fertilizer to blow up federal buildings, using guns to kill doctors they don’t agree with, assassinating US presidents, buying rope for their lynch mobs, and joining police forces so they can murder, sodomize, rape, and get in bed with the mafia? Get your community in check.

BTW, flying is neither a right nor a privilege, it’s commerce. Nationalize all of the airlines (since we’re propping them up anyway) then talk about rights and priviledges.

Jan. 05 2010 10:37 AM
hjs from 11211

doink
i don't think there are even flights from cuba to the US. can usa put tsa agents in a chinese airport?

mary
there were bombing in ireland in the 1970s and 80s. should ireland and the UK be on the lists?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles

Jan. 05 2010 10:37 AM
smidely

29 snoop -- 70s and 80s wasn't long ago. keeping in mind that many of those in power over cuba were also pulling the strings there in the 70s and 80s. i have nothing against cuba but lets keep it real, dawg.

Jan. 05 2010 10:36 AM
L.P. from NY

It's obvious -- the Pentagon is mapping out the theater for the Third World War. All of these countries are targets. According to a news report I heard, the 12 leaders of Al-Qaeda in Yemen were all detainees at Guantanamo Bay -- brainwashed and released to do the US Gov't bidding as "terrorists"?
Who profits from this?

Jan. 05 2010 10:35 AM
Ashton from Chelsea, Manhattan

Much has been made of the fact that the Nigerian got on the plane DESPITE the fact that his name was on a list. What I would like to know is this: (1) Has anyone whose name is on a list been recognized before boarding a plane, searched and any weapon of mass or minor destruction FOUND? (2) Has ANYONE whose name is not on any list been searched before boarding a plane and a weapon found? I mean, I keep hearing about how these increased security measures have failed without any mention of how they have succeeded.

Jan. 05 2010 10:34 AM
snoop from brooklyn

Mary, our security system should be addressing the threats which could kill people today, and not address a threat which existed in the 70s and 80s.

Jan. 05 2010 10:33 AM
Laura from Staten Island

I think it's all reactive. 911 - no knives/box cutters on board. The shoe bomber - now search our shoes. The London plot involving liquids - now we can't bring more than 4 ounces. Whatever we do, the terrorists will try something different. If they know we are screening certain countries, they will go through other countries. Instead of being so reactive, I think we should establish standards from ALL countries entering the United States that are based on the best we can do to keep us safe, not reactions to specific attacks and attempts.

Jan. 05 2010 10:32 AM
Jon P. from The Garden State

2010 production, white middle aged woman dressed and looks like a white American woman blows up domestic flight in America and completely turns profiling upside down. Then everyone has to arrive at the airport 3 hours before flight making flying almost useless. Remember, Muslim is a religion, not a race that you can always racially profile. There are plenty of white Muslims that can dress and look like the average white American. You have to check everyone and make no assumptions or exceptions!!!!

Jan. 05 2010 10:32 AM
Derek from 42nd St.

ALL Non US citizens with US passports should only be allowed to travel to the US by boat.

Jan. 05 2010 10:32 AM
Exxon

Kindly do not allow screening from passengers leaving Nigeria, Syria, Morocco and Egypt.

Jan. 05 2010 10:30 AM
Neil from NYC

Profile Sunnis, particularly Wahhabi Sunnis.

Jan. 05 2010 10:29 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

sory to say, but the screening should be ethnically/religion based. before a visa is given, proper vetting should be done and muslims as a whole, worlwide should be screened more. i understand 99% of muslims are not looking to blow up an airplane but have you heard of a buddhist,sikh,lutheran, or hindu trying to blow up a plane bound for the US? get your community in check then you won't be profiled.
flying is not a right, it's a privelege.

Jan. 05 2010 10:28 AM
mary from NYC

Cuba is on the list because they have a long list of hijackings. Especially in the 70's and 80's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cuba-United_States_aircraft_hijackings#1980s

Jan. 05 2010 10:28 AM
doink

can usa put tsa agents in cuba airport?

if yes

then they should be taken off the list.

if not then they must be included.

Jan. 05 2010 10:27 AM
Jennifer Hickey from Flushing, Queens

Ok, first of all -- Cuba? Really? I think your guest from the Sahara report is right. The people that have access to visas (which are pretty hard to come by) are from the wealthier classes. That should be looked into. Those that were involved in the the 9/11 attacks were all educated in the West. Their radicalization stems from their marginalization in their adopted country and oppression that exists in their home country (propped up by the money and politcal support from this country).

Jan. 05 2010 10:26 AM
Alan from Elmont NY

Everyone should be screened thoroughly, with some going through further enhanced screenings if there is a good reason (story doesn't seem right, baggage quantity doesn't match trip length, sweaty palms, etc). The minute we become complacent with the "typical bomber" being a young male engineer, another plane will go down.

The terrorists will always try to adapt to defeat. They will tell a young mother that her children will have a better life, or that her abusive husband will die a thousand deaths, or whatever if she does this. Or what about grandma from Cincinatti? Maybe her gambling son is being hunted by the mafia? Would $50,000 help her? Would she do it for her child?

Jan. 05 2010 10:26 AM
red herring dept.


which country should be screened?

Which skin color?

following a nigerian's failed plot -- a nigerian guest irritated w america?

Jan. 05 2010 10:26 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

The last caller makes the most sense. Half of the countries on this list are either purely political or knee-jerk and invalidate the entire list. The screening should be uniform--I’m sure anyone with memories of the IRA isn’t all that thrilled to be on a plane with someone with an Irish accent. And Brian’s comments about grandmothers from Kansas, did you see the way grandmothers from Kansas behaved this summer in town hall meetings? I’m not saying they’ll be killing in the name of God, but since they think government is specifically against them, I wouldn’t put it past a Tea Party member to down a plane to prove their radicalized point.

Jan. 05 2010 10:25 AM
Alvin from Manhattan

If we're catching terrorists at the airport, then it means that all other intelligence and law enforcement up to that point has failed. Good intelligence combined with good profiling is important; it works for El Al.
On a different note, yesterday's NY Daily News reported that a 76-year-old American woman returning to the U.S. from Costa Rica was detained by a Continental Airlines agent. Her passport gave her name as Joan Rosenberg AKA Joan Rivers. Yes, it was that Joan Rivers.

Jan. 05 2010 10:24 AM
George from Sayreville

The heightened security would make much more sense if EVERYONE goes through the same scrutiny.
How would the TSA identify a would-be radical/terrorist who simply obtains a passport from a country that is not on the 'list' For example, Nigerians can easily obtain passports identifying them as citizens of Ghana.

Jan. 05 2010 10:22 AM
Siva from New York

Why isn't Kenya on the list? There have been terrorist attacks there, including at the US embassy. I would love to know the deal that was struck to keep Kenya off the list.

Jan. 05 2010 10:21 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

The Takeaway had an excellent interview with the former chief of security for El Al. Check it out: http://www.thetakeaway.org/. The Israeli model of interviewing ALL passengers and singling out for extra scrutiny those who fail to respond appropriately to the simple list of questions should be implemented for all airlines. Also El Al screeners are highly trained, routinely tested, and removed if they fall below standards. It should not be left up to the airlines and minium wage employess with no training. Better than responding hysterically to each new occurrence.

Jan. 05 2010 10:21 AM
ellen from wilton, ct

There is a logic presented in a lecture by Michael J. Miller, Editor of PC Magazine, over ten years ago . . .
Remember, you can't have both privacy and security - one has to dominate the other.
He explained that to have a high level of security, you need to be prepared to let go of some privacy. And, if privacy is the ultimate desire, security will be reduced.

Jan. 05 2010 10:16 AM
Priya from Brooklyn

I do not carry a passport from one of the countries listed. But I am guilty of traveling while "brown." However isn't part of this provision that security measures at certain airports in certain countries might not meet our standards (Newark excluded).

Jan. 05 2010 10:14 AM
John Lobell from NYC

This is getting absurd -- "Profiled" would be you can't fly. Being delayed a few minutes to be patted down is nothing to complain about. A couple years ago I had something weird in my checked luggage and it had to be checked out. For the next year I was taken aside for extra pat down every time I flew (my name must have flashed.). BIG DEAL!!!!!!

Jan. 05 2010 10:14 AM
snoop from brooklyn

First, you don't "voluntarily" get on a plane... it's usually the only way to get from point A to B. Try taking a bus to Europe or Asia. Or Amtrak from NY to Washington (better off on a bus to Europe).

Second, security should be directed to where the threat is coming from. IF the threat is coming from countries on the list AND the security measures used will address the threat effectively, then fine.

However, I sort of doubt that Cuba is a hotbed of anti-American terror at the moment-- which brings the whole list into question. And I have NO confidence that the TSA is capable of using effective security measures. No standing up for the last hour of flight? Be serious.

Most importantly, we need to address the reasons why people want to blow us up... otherwise they will inevitably find a way around our security.

Jan. 05 2010 10:14 AM
Elle from Harrison Westchester

I'm actually from Israel. We are used to this kind of enhanced screening. It's very anoying especialy since I travel with kids. But, I tottaly understand and welcome it.

Jan. 05 2010 10:13 AM
hjs from 11211

I was just wondering if these naked xray pics are being saved somewhere (how long before they end up on the internet?)

and just how much radiation will I add to my body every time I pass through the naked pic machine?

Jan. 05 2010 10:12 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Besides, how many flights are there in and out of Havana from/to the US? Or are we screening trips by floating doors, ’54 pickups, and any other makeshift raft?

Jan. 05 2010 10:11 AM
Pam from NY

Why only those who fly to the U.S.? Wouldn't bombers like to take down American airliners regardless of their destinations?

Jan. 05 2010 10:11 AM
michael from brooklyn

Cuba does not even fit this list. Not only do we still have a pointless embargo and travel ban on cuba, now we add this to the list?

Jan. 05 2010 10:10 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

I was wondering the same thing hjs when I heard about the list on NPR yesterday morning. Islamic or not (let’s not forget about the Protestant and Catholic terrorist throughout the UK, Neo-Nazi terrorist, the very Christian US Klan, and roaming bands of Evangelicals bombing clinics and lynching homosexuals) there are more radicalized Cubans living in Miami than there are in Cuba. If Cuba is that big of a threat, all Cubans (whether they set foot on US soil or not) should be detained or deported and anyone sending remittances back to Cuba should be tried for treason since they are giving aid and comfort to terrorist or at least citizens in a “nation of concern”.

Jan. 05 2010 10:08 AM
superf88

there's a choice here:

if you feel that it's the job of the us govt to protect the flying public from any and alla attacks, then it's a no brainer -- either profile countries of origin and increase the checks on passengers connected to them, or simply increase checks on all air passengers.

then there's the second choice: spend exactly ZERO dollars on the TSA and let the chips fall where they may. If there is another 9/11 or 2, then let the airlines hire guards. If you are scared of flying, don't fly. Life is risky. Scratch that -- life isn't just risky, death is inevitable. Spend that money on paying down the debt, health care, education and other social services that will benefit the living. Flying? A business. Let Capitalism decide if that business fails or succeeds, as is done with so many other dangerous businesses.

Jan. 05 2010 10:07 AM
Mayo from Brooklyn

As the Nigerian Information Minister said, the guy received his radical education outside of Nigeria, lived outside of the country and touched base in Nigeria only to embark on his flight to Holland. How can this result in the besmirching of an entire nation (Nigeria) with no pattern of foreign focused, radicalized, weaponized islam? The administration's response was condescending.

Jan. 05 2010 10:05 AM
hjs from 11211

yesterday i asked why are cubans on this list?

is cuba a nation filled with islamic fundamentalist?

Jan. 05 2010 09:58 AM

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