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Wednesday, December 30, 2009

For the second time in three years, New York will break its record for lowest homicide rate in a twelve-month period. Al Baker, New York Times police bureau chief, and Eugene O'Donnell, professor of law and police science at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, talk about the city's record low murder rate and other police news.

Guests:

Al Baker and Eugene O'Donnell

Comments [22]

Ed from Larchmont

You're not including our brothers and sisters who died in abortion this past year. I would guess that 300,000 human beings were killed in abortion in NYC this past year, that might be down a little. But with the federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, there must be more experimentation and more of our brothers and sisters killed in that research. Let's not congratulate ourselves yet.

Dec. 31 2009 07:18 AM
landless from Brooklyn, NY

Does no one question the rise in misdemeanor arrests as NYPD doing job protection? If crime is declining and the role of the police is uncertain in this, shouldn't some police be laid off? Maybe we could educate those black man hanging out and getting misdemeanor records with the freed up budget money.

Makes me want to holler.

Dec. 30 2009 08:10 PM
hjs from 11211

the truth,

NOVA : What Darwin Never Knew

you should look for it this week

Dec. 30 2009 03:16 PM
the truth! from BKNY

HJS - No not last night what did I miss?

Dec. 30 2009 11:13 AM
hjs from 11211

the truth
i wonder if you were watching PBS last night?

Dec. 30 2009 10:48 AM
andy from manhattan

white collar crime is economic violence which hurts our society as deeply as physical violence.

its criminals should be prosecuted and serve time amongst others who have perpetrated violence in any form.

i guarantee this would reduce white collar crime.

as long as some get "country club prisons," it will continue to grow in breadth and depth.

Dec. 30 2009 10:32 AM
the truth! from BKNY

JGarbus??! are you on crack? "The man is BLACK" you sound ridiculous! I know what you are referring to but "the man" in NY is NOT BLACK!

Dec. 30 2009 10:29 AM
the truth! from BKNY

Brian why are you saying Happy New Year??!! It's not even New Years Eve yet! Stop it, annoying!

Dec. 30 2009 10:28 AM
elinor from Red Bank, NJ

I find it humorous that the guest credits NY and NJ's policing strategies for the decrease in crime while admitting that crime is down in many cities without any such strategies. Doesn't really make sense to me. I am reminded of Stephen Levitt's theory that the passage of Roe vs Wade may have had a lot more to do with the decrease in crime 20-something years later than any police crackdowns at the time.

Dec. 30 2009 10:27 AM
Michael D. D. White from Brooklyn

Mayor Bloomberg says that readers of the Wall Street Journal don't commit murder.

See:

Sunday, April 19, 2009
Keeping up with Bloomberg and Friends: Stark New Scandals and Is it True WSJ Readers Don’t Commit Murder?
http://noticingnewyork.blogspot.com/2009/04/keeping-up-with-bloomberg-and-friends.html

Dec. 30 2009 10:24 AM
Laurie from Tribeca

Couldn't it be a major factor that virtually everyone now has a cell phone with built-in camera? It is no longer as safe to commit crimes.

Dec. 30 2009 10:23 AM
Lori from Montclair, NJ

Burglary (home, car) and robbery is up 30% in my community!

Dec. 30 2009 10:22 AM
Jgarbuz from Queens, NY

I also agree with the poster who observed that violent video games can actual act as a virtual reality venue within to release some of the pent up aggressiveness of teen youth.

Dec. 30 2009 10:20 AM
stephen from Stony Brook

Brian!

Please mention the fact that the book Freakonomics perfectly explains this with statistical certainty! The very fact that your guest admits that, regardless of the locale, the same trend is being seen, proves that there is NO link between backslapping politicians/police chiefs and this drop in crime!

Dec. 30 2009 10:19 AM
RS King from Bed-Stuy

Haven't the rates of hate crimes spiked in NYC? It seems that overall murders and assaults have declined, but people are still - or are even more - comfortable attacking those who are seen to be the most expendable of society - those thought to be undocumented immigrants and queers.

Dec. 30 2009 10:18 AM
Jgarbuz from Queens, NY

Definitely Rudi Giuliani's policies were of extreme importance, but another factor often overlooked was the "million man march" where black minority men made a social contract amongst themselves to act more responsibly, but this factor is rarely mentioned.
And now that "The Man" is Black, it is harder to act out against "The Man."
But the old canard that poverty is the main cause of crime has always been debatable. That the poorest areas tend to turn out the most hard-boiled of criminals is probably correct, but the overall propensity towards law-breaking is rather equitably distributed amongs all classes, races, ethnicities and religious groups. Some can just be more sophisticated in their subrosa activities.

Dec. 30 2009 10:16 AM
hjs from 11211

smart government.

and YES the cops are told to play with the stats by downgrading everything

Dec. 30 2009 10:14 AM
Robert from NYC

I can verify what Jesse says as twice I have hadmy apt broken into in past and much damage caused and police filed a report about those two incidents. Besides we here so many crimes reported on local news and it certainly seems like many more are being reported on local new these past few years.

Dec. 30 2009 10:13 AM
DL from NYC

What about the prevalence and improved quality of violent video games keeping angry young youth angry and violent in a virtual world and off the streets?

Dec. 30 2009 10:12 AM
Jessy from Staten Island

I have three members of my family who are presently in the NYPD, and as they explain it to me, Police officers are discouraged from reporting and filling many types incidents. Only the most egregious are actually looked into!

This is a political bubble waiting to burst!

Dec. 30 2009 08:47 AM
Richard Johnston from Upper west side

This is further evidence of only one of the many miracles Saint Rudy has blessed us with. His holy presence has even reduced the crime rate across the Hudson and in most other metropolitan areas. Be grateful, ye who were permitted to look upon him!

Dec. 30 2009 07:39 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Kudos to Ray Kelly for achieving this with 5,000 fewer(!) police officers than Giuliani's commisioners had in the 1990's.

And...he has done it so well and without community rancor (whatever happened to Al Sharpton?) that even the boys and girls at the NYCLU realize that they will sound ridiculous by saying that this comes at the expense of a "police state", "rampant civil rights violations", blah, blah, blah.

Can we give someone some credit for doing something well around here?

Oh, and Kelly has kept us safe from you know what as opposed to you know who.

Dec. 30 2009 07:17 AM

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