Streams

Copenhagen: What Did We Learn?

Monday, December 21, 2009

Jeffrey Sachs, director of the Earth Institute at Columbia University and Michael White, political editor at the Guardian discuss what got resolved - and what didn’t - at the Copenhagen climate talks.

Guests:

Jeffrey Sachs and Michael White

Comments [18]

Amy from Manhattan

JT [17], Studio 360 is on WNYC FM at 4 PM on Saturday & 11 AM on Sunday & again at 2 PM on Sunday on WNYC AM. Not exactly inaccessible. And I'm sure I remember hearing more about the emails on other shows on WNYC.

Dec. 22 2009 01:46 AM
JT from NYC

Nice #15 but doesn't studio 3a broadcast like 10:00 at night? Anyway, 20 minutes compared to how many cumulative hours of climate change cover. Whatever, we deserve what we get either way.

Dec. 21 2009 12:05 PM
kai from NJ-NYC

longstreet et al. perfectly illustrates the right's attempts to make hay out of the hacked E. Anglia University climate center email: They want politics to win out over science.

At no point in any of the emails is there any disputation of the science of climate change, or as longstreet politically and unsubstantiatedly writes, the destruction of the "entire foundation of the global warming, I mean, 'climate change,' agenda."

Climate data is collected from international points around the world and has been reported, peer-reviewed, and verified for over 20 years by independent climate scientists and climate centers around the world.

Clearly longstreet shows his/her anti-science prejudice and proclivity towards other forms of explanations by claiming that "[a]ll too many lefties have turned their back on God and replaced Him with man." What???

Dec. 21 2009 11:40 AM
Jad Fiend from Manhattan

JT -
Perhaps you weren't listening all day on these days?
-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121025385&ft=1&f=1007

-- http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121139996&ft=1&f=1007

Dec. 21 2009 11:35 AM
Amy from Manhattan

An engineering viewpoint saying the agreement isn't as bad as it looks is at http://spectrum.ieee.org/blog/energy/renewables/energywise/the-copenhagen-accord. The blogger is the author of a book on reducing carbon emissions. (Note: I don't necessarily agree w/everything in the post, but I thouht it'd be of interest.)

Dec. 21 2009 11:33 AM
Richard Johnston from Upper west side

Isn't this the same Jeffry Sachs who did such a fine job leading the former Soviet Union to modernization?

Dec. 21 2009 11:31 AM
Susan Feingold from New jersey

Jeffrey Sachs blames Obama for not doing much about climate change before Copenhagen. He talks as if Obama had nothing on his agenda except climate change which is clearly untrue. Economic recovery and health care reform to name two which the public rightly or wrongly consider more urgent than climate change. The trouble with climate change legislation si that the public does not comprehend the urgency of the matter. But this is something that an elected president is forced to take into account.

Dec. 21 2009 11:28 AM
John from NYC

I respect Jeffry Sachs as a brilliant political economist. However with all respect to Dr. Sachs, he has never had to run for a political office. It is all well and good to paint a dreamy, ideal vision of what we ought to accomplish. In the real world however we must not cloud our perception in the cloak of smug, ivory-tower intellectual exercises. 'You can't always get what you want.' We try to get the best we can.

Dec. 21 2009 11:26 AM
Robert from NYC

A few months ago I started what I call the "Oh Bummer Files", this is one more item I can add along with TARP and health care.

Dec. 21 2009 11:13 AM
Liam from East Elmhurst

Long time no sun spots-might be a factor in this-definitely caused by gas or HOT AIR from Planet Earth.

Dec. 21 2009 11:11 AM
longstreet from NYC area

pg #6; The reason's it's not covered is that is destroys the entire foundation of the global warming, I mean, "climate change," agenda.
And, yes, the snowstorm over the weekend is proof of the irreversible damage we've done.
All too many lefties have turned their back on God and replaced Him with man.

Dec. 21 2009 11:05 AM
unemployed NYU Law grad 2008 from yorkville

Sachs are you sorry about your failed attempt at "Shock therapy" for the 1991 Russian economic which allowed oligargh to steal all the state owned enterpises and become billionaires who steal English Football clubs in Chelsea?

Dec. 21 2009 11:02 AM
pg

Ditto on comment 4)JT from NYC- I keep waiting to hear some sort of coverage by WNYC on this story- is there a reason you're not covering it?

Dec. 21 2009 10:49 AM
haym from manhattan

Re: Health Care & Climate Change:

Here's proof that we are facing a shift in cultural evolution: In both politically urgent cases of Health Care & Climate Change we are openly wrestling with the clash of competitive and cooperative forces in our collective nature. Finding the practical balance between these opposing forces is clearly imperative.

What does Jeffrey Sachs think ?

( I've begged for a segment with Robert Wright on the subject. Your recent talk with Richard Dawkins came close)

Dec. 21 2009 10:42 AM
JT from NYC

I listen to WNYC all day everyday while I'm at work and I haven't heard one report or program about the hacked emails. Not one story about it. Nor have I heard anything about the Russians claiming that the data they submitted to the university where the emails were hacked was cherry picked. According to the Russians, an analysis using all the data produced significantly different results. And no discussion of this while the Copenhagan summit is taking place? I assumed there would be something said but all I've heard is crickets.

Dec. 21 2009 10:32 AM
longstreet from NYC area

Did the delegates discuss how New York was once buried under 1,000 of ice? Most of been some pretty dramatic warming to get where we are now, and all done before mankind could wreak havoc on the environment.
Did the delegates read up on how the great lakes were formed? Again, must of been some pretty radical warming to bring them into existence. Again, done all on earth's own.
But we have to ignore natural changes, ignore the fact that the earth is always changing, and buy into the fairy-tale that just happens to dovetail perfectly with the left-wing political agenda. Right?

Dec. 21 2009 10:13 AM
Phil Henshaw from NY

Not sure what Gary's talking about, unless it's to oppose the idea that we now can't go back to workijng with limitless untapped resources again.

That, in one fashion or another, is what was not being acknowledged as the problem for most of the Copenhagen debates, pro and con, right and left. Everyone, in fact, still seems to be looking for the magic bullet to restore our limitless horizons for using the earth.

The more responsive and responsible thing, of course, would be the opposite choice. That's what would be actually affordable and productive, to figure out how to stop adding to our demands on the earth.

As a culture we organized all our theories and institutions for the past couple hundred years around a plan for continual % additions to our take from the earth and each other. What we now have a hard time seeing it that that is actually a free choice, to use you surpluses to add to your demands. We've given so very little attention to it at this point we don't really know how, seems the larger problem!!

try http://www.synapse9.com/issues/ImpossibleDreams.htm

Dec. 21 2009 09:15 AM
Gary from Upper Left Side

Here's a ditty I wrote inspired by Billy Joel's "Angry Young Man". It's called "Angry Jeff Sachs". Keep the melody of Billy Joel's song in mind while singing the lyrics below.

(start with song's lightening-fast two-fingered piano banging)

There's no place in Copenhagen for the Angry Jeff Sachs
With his ridiculous plans and tight-fitting slacks
He refuses to smile, he refuses to retreat
Although there's no damn discernable heat
He'll get on stage and point to the storm
Screaming that the world is getting too warm
And he likes to be known as the Angry Jeff Sachs

Give an interview or two for the Angry Jeff Sachs
With his bad advice and crazy damn carbon tax
He'll point to Kyoto as the ultimate plan
Yelling that we had it all written down in Japan
He can't believe the temperature won't rise
Just like his advice on the ruble's demise
And he likes to be known as the Angry Jeff Sachs

Carping about impending climate change
He's doesn't see that the world is a range
With temperature rise and temperature fall
Just like grades of Columbia students in university hall
Where there's nothing to do at the Earth Institute
Except bitch and complain that all countries pollute
And he likes to be known as the Angry Jeff Sachs

(cheesy organ music here)

There's no place in Copenhagen for the Angry Jeff Sachs
With his ridiculous plans and tight-fitting slacks
He refuses to smile, he refuses to retreat
Although there's no damn discernable heat
He'll get on stage and point to the storm
Screaming that the world is getting too warm
And he likes to be known as the Angry Jeff Sachs

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh...

(end with song's lightening-fast two-fingered piano banging)

Dec. 20 2009 11:06 AM

Leave a Comment

Email addresses are required but never displayed.

Get the WNYC Morning Brief in your inbox.
We'll send you our top 5 stories every day, plus breaking news and weather.