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Addabbo's "No" Vote on Marriage Equality

Friday, December 04, 2009

Eight democrats joined all 30 Republican New York State senators in defeating the same-sex marriage bill 24-38. Senator Joseph Addabbo Jr. (D-Queens), explains why he voted no.

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Joseph Addabbo Jr.

Comments [110]

Martin from Howard Beach

Phil from Howard Beach, NY
I am from Howard Beach. I am deeply ashamed of Mr. Addabbo. There is no place in secular gov't. for any "religious morality" viewpoint.

Dec. 04 2009 10:19 AM

I wonder about this person commenting. I knew Phil from howard Beach from 1967 until his death in 2000 Now I admit there could be more than one Phil in howard beach however there was only one radio personality and sports fan that went by that name and somehow as much as I would like it to be It isnt so please if you were trading off his popularity I ask you to stop. If you are someone else then please add a different discriptor. Thank you

Apr. 07 2011 03:04 PM
tundra

Empire State Pride Agenda Endorsed Senator Joseph Addabbo Jr. (D-Queens).

How do LGBT organizations get it so wrong as far as which candidate they support?

Dec. 07 2009 04:47 PM
phiper

Joe Addabbo is a putz and a sellout. If he thinks that calls to the percentage of calls to his office on an issue is accurately reflective of his district, he's dumber than he takes us for.

74% of the calls you got, senator, were against marriage equality and that led to your vote? I assume this is a standard you use for every vote you've taken this year, correct? If so, what was the percentage on green jobs? How about every other vote you have taken?

My bet is that you didn't get a single letter on any of them, and therefore made an opinion of your own....which according to your own standard makes you derelict in duty to the needs of your constituents.

Dec. 05 2009 03:31 PM
michael helman from gasport ny

Dear Senator:

I was a Republican from the Berry Goldwater days when he said, “you don’t have to be straight to shoot straight”. I changed my party affiliation and have voted for Democrats in the last 4 elections. I changed parties because of the mean spirit that has been shown by Republicans in the last 8 years. As gay men, my partner of 46 years and I could no longer endorse the Republican intolerance of ourselves, but also the out and out obstructive positions they have taken, both locally and nationally.

Senator Diaz:

You were at least forthright in your opposition to Marriage Equality. And, although I DO STRONGLY DISAGREE WITH YOUR POSITION, I must remind you that our construction does tell you to leave you Bible out side your senate chambers. That is what separation of Church and State is all about.

NOW FOR THE REST OF YOU!!!!!

Your two faced, say one thing and do an other, reminds me of a Dick Tracy cartoon villain. As a new Democrat, I will do all in my power to help unseat you in the next election. As you know, some you won by very small leads.

I know In New York, a lot of gay money was spent to help Democrats retake control of the State Senate in New York last fall. That was documented in a piece in the New York Times on October 26,2008. I will do all I can to see that that money in the next election does not go to you!

This is more then just a question of the right to love the one you love . You will see it the future that it is upheld around the world as a basic Human Right .
 
Shame on You,

Dec. 05 2009 05:02 AM
Richard Johnston from Upper West Side

Addabbo was elected to an position of leadership, not of followership. He has shown himself a spineless traitor. We know who our friends are now.

Dec. 04 2009 03:18 PM
hjs from 11211

Antonia,

addabbo may have "bravely" come on the air today to "defend" his actions but let's not forget the other dems who said yes to hate when we make primary plans
DEMOCRATS AGAINST
Joseph P. Addabbo Jr., Queens 15
Darrel J. Aubertine, Watertown 48
Rubén Díaz Sr., Bronx
Shirley L. Huntley, Queens 10
Carl Kruger, Brooklyn 27
Hiram Monserrate, Queens 13 the one who cut his girl friend's face last year
George Onorato, Queens 12
William T. Stachowski, Buffalo
and all the republicans
and if you're in NJ call your reps before the new governor gets to town.

Dec. 04 2009 03:09 PM
Antonia Gilligan from Emerson, NJ

Finally we need to recall who has worked againist our civil rights. We need to "instruct" these guys so they will know that biting the hand that feeds them isn't a good idea. The instruction is delivered at the ballot box. It is made more forcefully, when we donate to politicans who are honest. Please let's mark our calader for the 2010 primaries. Here we come Sanator Joe.

Antonia Gilligan

Dec. 04 2009 02:52 PM
Antonia Gilligan from Emerson, NJ

Regading Senator Joe Addabbo's recent vote aganist marriage equity: Can any one supply a definition of a man and a women that is free of contridictions? How do we cope in principle with funky chromosomes and intersex persons? Will they be able to marry?

But hey why should I expect logic fom a reigious view point.

As for this being how democracy works I think not. Even a democracy needs leaders not just sheep who can read a poll. But in 50 years he will look like the narrow minded political animal he is.

Antonia Gilligan

Dec. 04 2009 02:27 PM
hjs from 11211

calls
i would never respect a one issue voter!!
and no one should hate. since he can't do anything pro or con gay marriage no one cares what his views are.
the CA gays got lazy. if they are lazy here they don't deserve those born rights to be recognized.
and the antichoice people keep on voting for the GOP while abortion is still legal (even after gop had all power 2000-2006 ROFLOL)
americans never learn, i guess...

Dec. 04 2009 02:01 PM
hjs from 11211

Ashton
when and how did he ask his constiuents?

Dec. 04 2009 01:49 PM
Calls'em As I Sees'em from Langley, VA

hjs - Obama's anti-gay marriage comments may have tipped the vote in California. I don't hate him I just think he is a radical, incompetent and technically not a US citizen (PS - if he was a productive person and competent I wouldn’t care where he was born).

If you are part of the gay community - you should hate him and vote against him and his band of supporters.
The gay community is like the Black community in that they keep voting for the same old promises from the same old Dems who just haven't delivered on those promises. Urban conditions are still horrible despite 45 years of Democrats in power in major cities and gay rights proceeds at a snails pace even in NYC.

Why don't you take to the streets, just don't cry like a baby like Quinn (that's the end of her career). If she can't take this little set-back, how can she be Mayor? Answer: she can’t and never will be Mayor.

Dec. 04 2009 01:33 PM
Ashton from Chelsea, Manhattan

I am a big fan of Brain. I admire his intelligence and his ability as an interviewer. I heard the interview as I lay in bed (being a retiree). I am very sorry that the our state senators voted as they did (I'm an athiest and much more concerned with separation of state and religion). But...I was very impressed with Addabbo's stated reasons for his actions. He was clear: He believes his job is to reflect the views of his constiuents. Now one may not admire that position or even feel that it is unworthy of an elected official. But it at least explains his action. Only one comment (#83)-- one with which I personally agree -- out of the 99 now on this comment page, seems to understand that.

Dec. 04 2009 01:23 PM
hjs from 11211

Calls'em
marriage is a state by state issue, as u know. no one care where BHO is on it!!

but keep hating

Dec. 04 2009 01:01 PM
Voter from Brooklyn

David from NYC,
There is no need for civil disobedience. Members of the LGBT community and their supporters need to take a different tack on this upstream battle.
Part One: Accept the four national reasons for denial of state-issued same-sex civil marriage licenses—American tradition (e.g. one man one woman), natural procreation, nature’s law/God’s will, and child welfare.
Part Two: Implement my marriage and child protection legislation above at #16. No, #71 (JK), there was no satire in my proposal. If the United States is to protect the sanctity of marriage and the products of marriage (children), we must go all in and not do it by half measures. Half measures have given us +50% divorce rates and divorce on demand, rampant adultery, bastard children, Godless marriages, and fruitless unions.
Part Three: Dissolve the +2000 state and federal benefits given to married couples. With part two in place, only the truly willing and committed will marry, they will need no additional incentive to marry since they will be doing it for the right and righteous reasons. This will also help America recover in this time of fiscal strain and be a boon to hurting private industries who have suffered financially at the hands of the married.
We will have an ally in the Religious Right and those who care about the sanctity of marriage and the protection of children. We will expose the sanctimonious hypocrites who wish only to make a mockery of marriage. And, after part three succeeds, we will pretty much be able to live with our same-sex or opposit-sex partners in peace knowing all are living in full equality.

Dec. 04 2009 01:01 PM
hjs from 11211

95] p from paterson

i don't know the details but yesterday we heard on BL that NJ has civil unions and they don't work. it's funny you are saying let's do back flips make a new set of laws, make a new special contract just so we can have a 2nd class of citizens or we could take a short cut marriage for all. seems clear to me. but whatever floats your boat i guess

Dec. 04 2009 12:55 PM
p from paterson

Josh,

Your point is exactly what I am trying to say. How many people who don't believe in marriage, any religion, or the things that it stands for get married b/c it is the only option. The concept of marriage, unless you believe in its tenants and the Creator of such tenants, is outdated.

I am proposing to change the argument all together. Why should one have to get married to prove commitment? Go to city hall, get the license, get the rights entitled under such commitment. What to call it? Civil union? Life partnership? A couple w/ all the guaranteed rights? That way, all human rights are granted.

For those who still want to enter into marriage... go to their religious or other institutions. But, the rights only come w/ what is granted by the state.

Its a completely different option.

Dec. 04 2009 12:30 PM
hjs from 11211

susan
when is primary day!!!!!

Dec. 04 2009 12:30 PM
Susan Hudes from Brooklyn

Senator Joe Addabbo it will be my great pleasure to help get you voted out of office.

Dec. 04 2009 12:27 PM
Stan from Ditmas Park from Brooklyn

I am a straight married man who found this interview a flesh-crawling portrait in non-courage. If the Senator believes marriage equality is wrong he should have the courage to say so. He didn't. If he believes it is right, he should lead his constituents, not cower to a few phone calls. He didn't lead. He is a worthless piece of political slime.

Dec. 04 2009 12:20 PM
David from NYC

Thank you for your questioning Brian. You tried your best to maneuver around his politically spun answers.
Also!
- Civil disobedience is in the works -

Dec. 04 2009 12:17 PM
John from Bklyn

Have you ever heard a bigger load of NOTHING from a politician?! The people who elected this clown deserve whatever they get.

I'm embarrassed to live in this state. It's 2010 for crying out loud! If you and your constituents don't like being called homophobes then don't act in that manner, because that's what is at the root of your discomfort and semantic gymnastics. No matter how much you want to deny, deny, deny. Grow up, Senator Wind Bag! Get some sauce and take a stand!!!

Unconditional equality for all human beings should be the goal of all civilized societies.

Dec. 04 2009 12:07 PM
hjs from 11211

voter
sorry new law: only the majority can have rights. the rest of you please march into the cattle car without fuss please, we need the fuel.

Dec. 04 2009 12:06 PM
Voter from Brooklyn

Hold on hjs (86),
So you’re saying I, as a black, homosexual, left-handed, male atheist—yes, men are statistically minorities—should have absolutely no rights because I’m a super-mega minority; that is, other than having one of the highest total tax bills as a percentage of income because I am an unmarried renter under the age of 65 with no dependants working a middle-class white-collar job with benefits.
It all makes so much sense now. How selfish I’ve been expecting equality.

Dec. 04 2009 11:43 AM
Josh from Brooklyn

P from Patterson. Please explain to me how marriage is not a civil right. Do you live in America? Denied marriage is dignity? How is marriage not separation of church in state. I got married at City Hall. I am an atheist and belong to no church. My tax returns and licence say married. Who has the right to say marriage is only for the church. I couldn't care less about the church. People like it, I don't. But don't you ever say, I can't marry because you have a different view of things. marriage is a civil instituion. You can't get married without a government licence. You can't get married in a church until you go to city hall first. That sounds like separation of church and state to me. The state regulates marriage not some guy in a robe who isn't even allowed to be married in the first place. Who says he knows what's better for me. He can't even do it.

Dec. 04 2009 11:33 AM
hjs from 11211

Bernard
maybe left handed people should be jailed also, something odd about using a left hand right?

Dec. 04 2009 11:32 AM
hjs from 11211

Bernard
right only SOME should have rights YOU and some others people. but no way EVERYONE should have rights, freedom, happiness. NO WAY!

Dec. 04 2009 11:21 AM
p from paterson

The other, highly frustrating thing about this debate is saying that marriage is a civil right. It is not. At this point, it is a civil institution, but it is not a civil right.

Health care for all, civil rights.

Respect and dignity as human beings, civil rights.

hospital visitation, inheritance rights and the list goes on... yes, they are all rights to be fought for and granted.

maybe, they shouldn't be granted under marriage. That is the mistake. Maybe we should be demanding separation of church and state here, like we do everywhere else; and just put the arrangement or union of marriage in the hands of the religious institutions (thus taking it out of civil domain) and make the union of 2 people a 'right' guaranteed by the state.

Dec. 04 2009 11:21 AM
Geoffrey Morrow from Yonkers

Love ya Brian, and you know more about the politics of this issue than me, but Senator Addabbo's explanation of his vote seemed reasonable to me. He says he casts his vote to reflect his district's views. I thought your interview was more than a bit hostile and get a strong impression that you believe he is being disingenuous in his explanation. Indeed, as you said, now he won't have the support of the gay community - in funds and volunteers - and shouldn't he be commended for not letting that sway his vote?

Dec. 04 2009 11:16 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

#75, Bernard Joseph,
So what is the minority threshold. Without looking it up, I think blacks were about 11 or so percent of the population and homosexuals are somewhere between 5 and 10. How many homosexuals do you have to have before you should take them into consideration.
What’s the Asian population of the United States, should we care about them?
Disabled rights… How much before we really have to care about the blind, deaf, and disabled?
There are far more homosexuals in the United States than Jews, so…

Dec. 04 2009 11:12 AM
JT from NYC

Just a side note: We're coming up on the anniversary of the murder of Jose Sucuzhañay. A young man that was killed in Brooklyn not because he was gay but just because he was suspected of being gay. Yeah, but gays don't a need to fight for equal rights.

Dec. 04 2009 11:07 AM
Josh from Brooklyn

P from Patterson. Sorry sir, but yes, if you don't support marriage equality, it does mean you don't support equal rights. You even used the words, "marriage EQUALITY". Don't you listen to yourself. You say, you don't believe in marriage equality, but you support civil rights. You contradict yourself in four words. I have yet to understand, how people claim they support civil rights, but then go ahead and deny rights to someone. What makes you better then a gay person? I have blue eyes. Do you have a problem with that too? There is no half way, either you support civil rights or you don't. Don't pretend you're not a bigot just because of the connotation. If you are are a bigot, at least admit it, instead of making yourself feel better because you say (obviously a lie) that you support civil rights

Dec. 04 2009 11:07 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Another Listener (#58)
Why should I care if the elderly and broken can’t have children. The reason for denying same-sex civil marriage has been because two women or two men cannot naturally reproduce. Many old people can’t reproduce and the brokens are just s**t-out-of-luck. I’m fully aware of the consequences of what I wrote and I am not in a narrow minority; the vote was 38-24.
That’s equality I can stand behind

Dec. 04 2009 11:03 AM
Calls'em As I Sees'em from Langley, VA

This guy Addabbo is a hero, he voted to represent his district. That's what representational democracy is about.

Gays need to know that a majority of the country including folks in NYS are against gay marriage. It has failed in 30 states where the people were allowed to vote.

New York should allow the people to speak (something that Lenny and now Brian don't often allow) and have a vote on the issue.

I am for Civil Unions and I think most people in America would vote for that, but the use of the word "marriage" is just wrong. Marriage is between a man and a woman. Words have meaning.

A boat is not a plane or a car though all three get you somewhere.

Civil Unions give all the rights and status of marriage. That's the way it is.

If need be make all state “marriages” civil unions and let churches and synagogues grant religious marriage licenses.

Dec. 04 2009 10:59 AM
the truth!! from BKNY

Human rights issues won't magically go away, but the people keep voting this particular issue down and it just keeps coming up like bad cabbage!!

Dec. 04 2009 10:58 AM
p from paterson

Brian,

I am a huge fan of your show. I appreciate how you handle most interviews and how you usually try to handle the interview in an unbiased way. I recommend journalism students listen to your show so they can learn the art of excellent interview questions and the ability to moderate discussion.

That being said, I was highly disappointment in how you handled this topic. It is obvious what you believe, and you just could not handle framing the questions or the issue in that one narrow view.

Just because he did not support marriage equality, does not mean he does not support civil rights. There is more than one way to support civil rights, or human rights.

You handled this, the way that most are handling this topic (and abortion and other culture war topics), as if to say that if one does not agree with you or the legislation, they are wrong (at best, narrow-minded, homophobic, hate-mongerers etc. at worst).

Our public officials are voted in to carry out our (the people's) wishes, not their own idealogy. Your job as a journalist is to report the news, ask the questions to get to the heart of a story, not to shame a guest b/c he did not agree with you.

Again, highly disappointing.

Dec. 04 2009 10:58 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

first of all, women and black people represented a much bigger bigger % of the population at that time. but this is not comparable in any way. c'mon, really...

Dec. 04 2009 10:57 AM
hjs from 11211

[65] the truth!!

yes, if only human rights issues would just go away when we don't like to hear about oppression. we would still have fascism in germany, apartheid in south africa, segregation in the south and the british in india. those damn selfish people wanting to be happy, damn them all.
maybe u could move to uganda they want to kill the gay there http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34249049

Dec. 04 2009 10:55 AM
Jared from Brooklyn, NY

Because nobody, except Diaz, spoke against the bill on the floor, he argues, the opposition was clear. This elected official makes the opposite of sense.

He never explains his vote on the floor, he says. It seems that he really, truly doesn't understand the magnitude--no, the meaning--of this issue.

Who got him elected? He's "open-minded" about civil rights, bigotry and discrimination...

Oh yeah, I did. I helped, anyway. I walked the cold streets, knocked on doors, made phone calls, attended rallies, organized and lost all feeling in my fingers and toes day after day and night after night.

I'm embarrassed.

At least the Senators who opposed marriage equality are embarrassed, too, as none have published statements explaining their vote.

Dec. 04 2009 10:54 AM
hjs from 11211

Mark Reed 61

what? boycott texas first!

Dec. 04 2009 10:54 AM
JK from Midtown

to another listener in bk... um, im 99% sure the guy was being satirical. you should brush up on your reading comp. i wouldnt want my children around such dense people, if you want to be so quick to be judgmental.

Dec. 04 2009 10:52 AM
Jared from Brooklyn, NY

Because nobody, except Diaz, spoke against the bill on the floor, he argues, the opposition was clear. This elected official makes the opposite of sense.

He never explains his vote on the floor, he says. It seems that he really, truly doesn't understand the magnitude--no, the meaning--of this issue.

Who got him elected? He's "open-minded" about civil rights, bigotry and discrimination...

Oh yeah, I did. I helped, anyway. I walked the cold streets, knocked on doors, made phone calls, attended rallies, organized and lost all feeling in my fingers and toes day after day and night after night.

I'm embarrassed.

Dec. 04 2009 10:47 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

to mark reed- is there gay marriage in texas? are you going to move amsterdam or just be a hypocrite and boycot NYC?

Dec. 04 2009 10:47 AM
elaine

Oops. Sorry for the misspelling of Senator Addabo's name.

Dec. 04 2009 10:46 AM
hjs from 11211

mc
i've heard of that branch of the american taliban. not just scary stuff but stupid stuff like covering up the ensign affair.

i wish them the best of "luck." they, palin and cheney are very helpful to the dems...

Dec. 04 2009 10:45 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

So, Bernard Joseph,
Between the Bay of Pigs and Cuban Missile Crisis, the continuing Cold War, Kennedy taking one to the head (then another Kennedy then King), unrest in Vietnam, soaring crime rates, Studebaker folding, and the Russians kicking out asses in technology until we kicked theirs, when exactly would it have been time for furthering equality for women and blacks in the ‘60s?

Dec. 04 2009 10:41 AM
the truth!! from BKNY

Oh not this again!

Dec. 04 2009 10:41 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

because our legislators need to start prioritizing their votes and debates to address the most pressing issues in our state. this is not one of them. gay people represent 4.2% of the state population. is this an important civil rights issue- yes. but not in the top 5 problems the state faces that are of a life or death magnitude.
also, it seems that if they waited til next year this would have a much better chance of passing.

Dec. 04 2009 10:41 AM
wanda from kansas

RE: [58] -- for many advocates of one man/one woman marriage rights HAVING CHILDREN IS THE ONLY REASON TO MARRY !!!

Dec. 04 2009 10:40 AM
elaine

Brian, in a rare missed interview opportunity, you didn't pursue the civil rights issue angle to the marriage equality act. Why??? Would Mr. Abado have voted against a civil rights bill that afforded equality to African Americans, Hispanics, etc. because his constituents were against it? (As you rightly pointed out, this was a questionable assumption in the first place.) Sometimes a legislator has to vote what is right, not popular. This was strictly a vote for re-election expediency and to try to pretend it was anything else is absurd.

I don't vote in his district but will do what I can to see that he is successfully challenged in the next primary season.

This vote was inexcusable!

Dec. 04 2009 10:40 AM
Mark Reed from Dallas

We travel to NY often and spend some nice change when we do. No more. Boycotting New York until there is marriage equality. New York should also ship the Statute of Liberty to Iowa where there is true freedom. "We the people" means all not just some.

Dec. 04 2009 10:38 AM
amb from kew gardens

I live in Sen. Addabbo's district, and leading up to last year's election we received numerous fear-mongering robocalls from both sides of the race. Ironically, one of the calls (presumably from Sen. Maltese's camp, to stir up opposition) was all about how voting for Addabbo would ensure the legalization of gay marriage in New York. If only.

Dec. 04 2009 10:38 AM
Josh from Brooklyn

To everybody who supports civil unions for gays and marriage for everyone else:

What part of separate but equal don't you understand? What's next, make them sit on the back of the bus? You go to the same place, but g-d forbid you get to sit where we do. its not "publically agreed with". how about schools. How about different bathrooms? A large section of the population still believes AIDS is contagious, there are churches who won't let them in.

Anybody who discriminates is a bigot, period. I don't care what your "belief system" is. You have NO RIGHT to force that on anybody. you are not superior. You are a NAZI!

Dec. 04 2009 10:37 AM
Robert Voorheis from yonkers ny

Senator Adabo who greedily accepted over $10,000.00 from the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Community, used us. He lead us to believe that he was a true supporter. We campaigned for him and walked his district. He treated us as badly as Bill Clinton and now President Obama has done. We will work now to remove those who betrayed us from office.

Dec. 04 2009 10:37 AM
Another listener from Brooklyn from Brooklyn

I'd like to respond to the second comment (Voter from Brooklyn):

What you are advocating: Children/conception within 365 days of marriage would mean that older heterosexual couples could not marry, nor could infertile heterosexual couples. I don't know if you just lack thinking through your idea or if you really mean to limit marriage this much.

I think you are in a very small minority of people holding extreme views and have a very narrow view of what marriage is.

And I would never want my children to be around you.
Of course, I am thinking of the children when I say that.

Dec. 04 2009 10:36 AM
wanda from kansas

i like this comment: from [3] Voter from Brooklyn December 04, 2009 - 10:04AM. if we really are so concerned with protecting marriage between one man and one woman, why NOT make it harder to enter into/leave from/fail to provide for children in marriage. --- and why isn't plain od "marriage" called civil union, since dissolving a marriage requires intervention of the legal system?

Dec. 04 2009 10:35 AM
hjs from 11211

Jeffrey 46
who takes sides on other human rights issues?

Dec. 04 2009 10:35 AM
Michael Sabatino from yonkers ny

We will get Addabo out of office. He mislead the gay community and he can think he didn't influence the other senators votes but he did the 5 repbulicans would have voted with us addobo sent the signal to them and they back away because there was now no reason to put them selves on the line. Why doesn't the senate vote like the assembly electronically so that there is minimal influence by prior votes?

Dec. 04 2009 10:33 AM
mc from Brooklyn

hjs:

Have you checked them out? The "Family?" Really scary stuff.

Ellen from London makes a good point. It's the "Marriage Equality Law."

The economy is a poor excuse not to vote for this. Pass it quickly, then move on to the economy.

Dec. 04 2009 10:33 AM
hjs from 11211

bernard
why do people say things like that? it was up for a vote it would have taken 2 0minuntes and then it's over. now it stays as issue. human rights don't just go away when we want them to.

Dec. 04 2009 10:32 AM
sandi shelton from NYC

the argument that we can't do more than one thing is crazy...of course they can. In the last week, they've done a dozen or so bills that were unrelated. No one was saying that the legislature shouldn't address increase penalties for drunk driving while dealing with the deficit reduction plan. It's just silly.

Dec. 04 2009 10:31 AM
Sara

Addabbo is a COWARD who sounds like W debating Kerry ("I will continue to work hard, blah blah blah"). Gay marriage groups must be much, much more aggressive. I admit I sat back thinking a this thing would be easy to pass. We should be out there with torches and pitchforks.

Dec. 04 2009 10:31 AM
wanda from kansas

i like this comment: [3] Voter from Brooklyn December 04, 2009 - 10:04AM. if we really are so concerned with protecting marriage between one man and one woman, why NOT make it harder to enter into/leave from/fail to provide for children in marriage.

Dec. 04 2009 10:31 AM
Stephen from Manhattan

Addabo is yet another smarmy, two-faced, gutless politician whose Number One priority is getting himself reelected. Period. I suppose if his Howard Beach constituents wanted to ban people of color and gays from living -- or even entering -- his district he'd "represent" that point of view and vote accordingly. The Democratic party does not need another hypocrite like him. I'm sure the Republicans would welcome him with open arms.

Dec. 04 2009 10:31 AM
Ellen from Brooklyn

Addabbo shows his shallowness and his lack of understanding the marriage equality issue. (My sense is that he personally is against allowing marriage rights for all and just won't cop to it).

When he said that on other issues: healthcare, etc....he is looking out for the rights for all, he isn't...........without marriage equality, many gay couples will not be able to share health insurance benefits through one of the partner's work health plans. Many partners will not be able to be with their loved ones in certain medical situations where family only is allowed.

Brian, you did a great job interviewing him and I loved your asking him if his constituents wanted to deport immigrants whether he would vote for that or not. Clearly he didn't want to answer that. Good for him at least to come on your show, but what a jerk. He doesn't see this as bigotry.

I hope a really good candidate runs against him and all of these other NO voters.

Dec. 04 2009 10:31 AM
alanna from brooklyn

Sen. Addabbo's non-answers to every question are astounding. The ease with which he negates every statement in his following statement is truly impressive (in a frightening way).

I would like Sen. Addabbo to explain EXACTLY how marriage is a "different" kind of civil right than the others.

Dec. 04 2009 10:29 AM
Jeffrey from Queens

Brian Lehrer is so in the tank for homosexual marriage that he's lost all credibility on this issue. Today he's grilling Addabo. What tough questions did he ask yesterday of the pro homosexual marriage legislators? To the contrary, it sounded more like a strategy session!

Lou Dobbs crossed the line on immmigration, finally losing all credibility as a journalist. Brian Lehrer is doing the same thing on the issue of homosexual marriage. He had better pull back before he joins Dobbs as a cautionary example of what happens when journalists use their public platforms to push their personal agendas.

Dec. 04 2009 10:28 AM
hjs from 11211

Laura
did u have a reason?

Dec. 04 2009 10:28 AM
snoop from Brooklyn

Laura from Manhattan, comment 26:

That's OK. I'm sure there were a lot of "left-leaning educated beings" who opposed basic civil rights for others throughout history.

How would you feel if I, as a "left-leaning educated being" told you that I don't support basic rights for women? After all, that was a political reality for an awfully long time... I guess then it would be OK, right?

Dec. 04 2009 10:28 AM
matthew from manhattan

Wow a politician that polled their constituents and then voted the way the constituents wanted. I did not think that there was such a thing. Addabbo voted according to the community not according to donors, his own belief, or the new trend. How refreshing!

Dec. 04 2009 10:28 AM
wanda from kansas

if addabbo says his constituents are in favor of equal rights, just don't call it marriage equality ; then call it something else, wont that make it all better. HA, HA !!!

Dec. 04 2009 10:27 AM
Josh from Brooklyn

To blame this on your constituency is a cop-out. I understand your desire to get re-elected, but there is a limit. Especially in NYC. There is a right thing to do. Why are you elected if all you do is pander, and do not make fair policy? Sometimes, you have to vote for the right thing. If people voted with their constutuencies all the time, slavery would still be legal. Women would not be able to vote. access to power is one thing, but what good is access if you don't use it. Don't politicans have a responsibility to lead? I'm sorry sir, but sometimes there are things just more important then your job. Sometimes, you have to decide what kind of politican you wan to believe and if you can live with yourself by pandering. You have made your choice, and that makes you a bigot, even if its by association. You did not stand up for an entire segment of our population and that makes you a coward and not worthy for office to begin with.

Dec. 04 2009 10:27 AM
dolores from queens

I live in Sunnyside, voted for Addabbo last year and will NEVER vote for him again! He mislead the Equality community and next election I will do I can do to make sure he is not re-elected. I have been calling his office for months and he would not return my call to explain how planned on voting. Funny how he refused to go public only after the fall out from his vote. Also a sign of a coward who would not take call on the air.

Thank you Brian for asking the questions that Mr Addabbo will not answer to me a resident of his district.

Dec. 04 2009 10:26 AM
Suzanne from Queens

I live in Addabo's district and am a straight married woman. I was delighted to finally have a Democrat in a long standing Republican district. I am extremely dissappointed by this vote.

Dec. 04 2009 10:26 AM
hjs from 11211

mc
see how they all work together to keep every one down!

Dec. 04 2009 10:26 AM
Elliott A from Bridgeport ct

The Senator's argument was specious at best. He is a coward that's all.

Religous conservatives have had too big a voice in politics today - period. Especially after hearing Diaz speak on the floor - yeesh some separation of chruch and state!

Atheism is more attractive every day.

Dec. 04 2009 10:25 AM
Ed from Brooklyn

Please follow up on the Senator's "religion" comment. How is a State issued property license a "religious" issue? And what does he, another other opponents of marriage equality not understand about the 1st Amendment? Their churches are free from government intervention on issues of theology. So please, stop using your superstitions as a justification to deny all people equality under the law.

Dec. 04 2009 10:25 AM
sandi shelton from NYC

how can this guy not articulate his OWN opinion about marriage equality? I've never heard of such thing...pure cowardice.

Dec. 04 2009 10:25 AM
Jay from Norwalk, CT

This guy has no backbone at all. I can even imagine how someone could vote for him with a straight face. It's called leadership, not vote chasing.

Dec. 04 2009 10:24 AM
Roger from Manhattan

Adabbo is disgusting. He makes my blood boil. He is a coward and won't take ownership of his bigotry.

Dec. 04 2009 10:24 AM
bernard joseph from brooklyn

while i appreciate and sympathize with the inequality that certainly exists in this country for gay people and their right to marry, this is not an issue we need to be addressing at this moment in time. it is important, but unfortunately it is low on the list of issues we need to address.

Dec. 04 2009 10:24 AM
Jean from Richmond Hill, Queens

I am married, heterosexual, Catholic and a 15 year resident of Richmond Hill, Queens. I am very disappointed in Joe Addabbo's vote on gay marriage. I do not believe that it reflects the perspective of his constituents. And I will not vote for him again.

Dec. 04 2009 10:24 AM
Nick from crown heights

We elect people to be leaders. . . not pollsters. . .
Civil rights have always been advanced through legislation prior to full public support. I hope Mr Addabbo has problems sleeping at night, it would be at least a little redeeming.

Dec. 04 2009 10:23 AM
snoop from Brooklyn

To HJS, comment 1:

I think yes, Addabbo would have voted for that bill in Uganda as long as his district had wanted him to vote for it.

It's shameful to listen to Addabbo try to justify not supporting basic civil rights. I hope he is ashamed of himself because I cannot scrape up enough empathy to feel ashamed for him.

Really, what a pathetic performance.

Dec. 04 2009 10:23 AM
elise

this man is disgusting and his poor defense of himself is hideous.

Dec. 04 2009 10:23 AM
Tim Young from Manhattan

I can not listen to such an individual as this state senator. He rings a big false note. Brian,
I'm shutting you off until he is gone.

Dec. 04 2009 10:23 AM
Laura from Manhattan

Not all New Yorkers, even us left-leaning educated beings, support gay marriage. Gay marriage promoters need to accept reality.
Thank you Senator Addabbo!

Dec. 04 2009 10:22 AM
Austin from Sutton Place

Does a consensus of 400 voters accurately reflect the feelings of a district consisting of more than 120,000?

Dec. 04 2009 10:22 AM
RLewis from bowery

"apples and oranges"... "apples and oranges"???? Talk about picking and choicing how to justify a your votes! Man, this guy is squirming like an earthworm. So sad. If this is how this guy governs, I don't care what the issue is, his constiuents should be ashamed and scared.

Dec. 04 2009 10:22 AM
Dan from NJ

I'm disappointed, Brian. You're not getting this loser to take a position on ANYTHING!

Dec. 04 2009 10:22 AM
Mike from Brooklyn

What the Senator does not get is that this issue is not one that "goes away". This is a matter of human rights. This is not like congestion pricing or teach tenure. This is about equality and fairness. This issue will come to a vote once again in the future and the Senator will have a chance to get on the right side of history much like those elected officials who opposed civil rights in the 1950s but supported them in the 1960s.

Dec. 04 2009 10:21 AM
eric horowitz from brooklyn

Adamo comes off like an ass. He comes off weak and just another political weasel. He's a bundle of contradictions.

His decision was done out of fear. He's got no balls. I hope he's voted out soon.

Dec. 04 2009 10:20 AM
Ellen from London

Brian Lehrer,

At least Senator Addabbo refers to this as "marriage equality" as the bill did. It's not "gay marriage" - it's marriage equality. We need to reframe the language surrounding this debate, and end this shameful denial of equal rights to fellow citizens.

Dec. 04 2009 10:20 AM
sm

If your constituents supported building a wall around the g&l community, would you vote accordingly?

Dec. 04 2009 10:20 AM
KZ in New York

I hope "his people" vote him out of office next time. He's a disgrace.

Dec. 04 2009 10:19 AM
hjs from 11211

when is the next primary for state senate?

is the net stream working??

Dec. 04 2009 10:19 AM
Dan from NJ

Try to get him to make a firm statement on something! ! !

So far all he has said is "I voted this way cuz I thought my district wanted me to."

He is being most sleazy.

Ask him why HE thinks equal marriage is such a bad idea. PLEASE! ! !

Pin him down on something! ! !

Dec. 04 2009 10:19 AM
Phil from Howard Beach, NY

I am from Howard Beach. I am deeply ashamed of Mr. Addabbo. There is no place in secular gov't. for any "religious morality" viewpoint.

Dec. 04 2009 10:19 AM
JK from Midtown

why in the world should religion be a factor in how civil rights are given? why should religion be any factor in how an elected official decides. what ever happened to separation of church and state.

Dec. 04 2009 10:18 AM
Jon Winkleman from Queens

From 2005-2009 I served on the board of a national LGBT political organization. Addabbo became a priority racve of LGBT big donors nationally who maxed out to him under the belief they were investing in marriage equality in the State of NY. On Addabbo's camp[aign website he boasts the endorsements of Stonewall Democrats NYC and Empire State Pride Agenda. I know the folks at those organizations and those at the national LGBT organizations who also supported and steered resources into his tight race. I know they brought up the subject of marriage. Certainly Addabbo misled them into thinking his campaign was a good community investment and that he shared our values.

I live in a Senate district adjacent to his (our council district overlaps his). We just elected an openly gay man to the city council. Many of your constituents voted for him. I do not believe you would have been elected without LGBT resources.

Many of us in Western Queens are already talking about getting Addabbo out of the Senate one way or the other.

Dec. 04 2009 10:18 AM
mc from Brooklyn

hjs:

Check out who from our own country is helping to facilitate the Uganda law--our own Senator James Inhofe of Oklahoma. He is a member of the "Family." Terry Gross interviewed an author who wrote a book about the "Family." His name escapes me at the moment. Very scary stuff.

Dec. 04 2009 10:17 AM
sm

Senator Addabbo, it's not "apples and oranges." You don't vote on civil rights. When this issue is approved eventually, won't you look foolish when you're on the wrong side of history?

Dec. 04 2009 10:16 AM
Tom from Upper West Side

The "senator" is weaseling on almost every response. How about doing the right thing, even if you lose re-election? Will your life be ruined? I think not.

Dec. 04 2009 10:16 AM
MFan

Senator Addabbo,

You can see the argument on many levels, but you are only concerned with the level which will best help your re-election. Looks like you made a mistake.

At worst, you are a bigot. There is no excuse for what you did.

Kudos, Brian, for the deportation comparison!!!

Best,
Michael

Dec. 04 2009 10:16 AM
MFan

Senator Addabbo,

You are at best just another maneuvering politician, concerned with nothing but your re-election.

At worst, you are a bigot. There is no excuse for what you did.

Kudos, Brian, for the deportation comparison!!!

Best,
Michael

Dec. 04 2009 10:16 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Addabbo is from Howard Beach, really!?! Gay-bashing, black lynching Howard Beach!?!
Never mind, I’m not surprised anymore.

Dec. 04 2009 10:09 AM
Cathy Marino-Thomas from New York City

I'd like to know how Senator Addabbo lived with himself Thursday morning knowing that he betrayed the community that helped get him elected.

Dec. 04 2009 10:07 AM
Cathy Marino-Thomas from New York City

I'd like to know how "Senator" Joe Addabbo woke up Thursday morning and looked himself in the eye KNOWING that he screwed the community that worked in HIS CAMPAIGN OFFICE, walked HIS DISTRICT and got him elected. I PERSONALLY walked his district knocking on doors trying to convince his constituents that he was worthy.

Next election, I plan to walk that same district for THE OTHER GUY.

Dec. 04 2009 10:05 AM
Voter from Brooklyn

Senator Addabbo,
With preserving “traditional” marriage—one man one woman and not the God-given supremacy of men and means for alliance building which are the real marriage traditions—the welfare of children, and the will of God being given as reasons for the majority no voting on same-sex civil marriage, are you prepared to introduce legislation that will:
Require wedding vows (clauses) be enumerated on the state-issued marriage contract.
Require natural (sexual) and unaided conception within 365 days of the contract date.
Require live birth within 650 days of the contract date. If the couple does not fulfill their contractual obligations within the proscribed times, the state contract will be void and one or both parties will be in felonious breach of contract.
Abolish divorce for couples with minor children.
Make adultery the only actionable cause for divorce.
Make breach of the marriage contract a felony.
Require the signature of a religious leader from any federally recognized religion on state-issued marriage licenses and divorce decrees.

Please protect the sanctity of marriage and think of the children.

Dec. 04 2009 10:04 AM
Pliny from nyc

How can gays in this century buy into the hoax of religion?
Civil unions should be they way for all people cohabiting, and not just sexual liaisons.

Dec. 04 2009 10:02 AM
hjs from 11211

Rachel Maddow has been covering uganda's proposed new law, killing or jailing homosexuals and the role the american right wing theocratic taliban has in supporting such a laws.

would addabbo have interest in supporting a similar law for NY state?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34249049
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34266794

Dec. 04 2009 09:44 AM

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