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Kennedy in Washington

Friday, August 28, 2009

Shailagh Murray, congressional reporter for The Washington Post, and Pete Hamill, journalist, columnist, novelist, and friend of the Kennedy family, discuss Ted Kennedy's legacy and the impact of his death on health care reform.

Guests:

Pete Hamill and Shailagh Murray

Comments [19]

everard from new york

Ted was a good man,what ever he did in his life time that was wrong is finally at rest with him.who knows but God.

Aug. 28 2009 06:50 PM
mc from Brooklyn

hjs:
With you on McCain and Hatch. I don't see it happening.

Aug. 28 2009 05:06 PM
hjs from 11211

seth

i don't see how he helped carter? and then there's the issue of loyalty.

i'm challenged to understand how mccain and hatch would have support a kennedy healthcare bill today when they did not support any earlier kennedy healthcare bills.

Aug. 28 2009 02:51 PM
mc from Brooklyn

Karen:
I wouldn't worry about Danny. It's far off the NC coast and barely a TS now. It might rain on the rally but my guess is it will go on.
An interim Senator in MA now implies that the ends justifies the means. It's OK to do it now because it's the "good guys." 51 votes are needed if reconciliation is used.

seth: I too, think it is probably unfair to blame TK for Carter's defeat, who can really know that. But it is fair to say that Carter was further weakened by TK's move at the convention and his refusal to even shake his hand. If anyone else (e.g. H. Clinton) did that he/she would be crucified by the party. I hate double standards.

Aug. 28 2009 12:58 PM
seth

I'm very disappointed with people who blame Ted Kennedy for Reagan's win over Carter. If anyone thinks Carter would have beaten Reagan if Ted Kennedy hadn't challenged him, I'd like to sell them a bridge in B'klyn. Carter was a horrible candidate and Reagan would have beaten him just as easily wihout a primary challenge from Ted.

Aug. 28 2009 11:47 AM
jim fouratt from greenwich village

Ted Kennedy, Irish Catholic never had a problem in supporting lesbian and gay people and our fight for civil rights. Unlike Obama =, Kerry and Clinton...to name a few who put politics in front of justice on this issue .. he fought from day one for same sex civil marriage ...that's what I call leadership

Aug. 28 2009 11:41 AM
Brianne from Montana

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Aug. 28 2009 11:40 AM
Soundlanguage from West Village/Jersey City

Brian,

Could you please ask Pete Hamill about how and why George H.W. Bush (Bush Sr.) could have the gall to avoiding Ted Kennedy's funeral?

He often poses as a gentleman, and is in good health, so besides the two families under-the-surface animosity, i find it astoundingly rude and arrogant if not outright unpatriotic for him to not show up even briefly. Instead he's ducking out and sending "W" to represent the family, yet another slap in the face...

Aug. 28 2009 11:38 AM
Chris from NYC

I am part of Karen's "we" and I am very sad to see how the healthcare conversation has been hijacked by stupidities and slogans (I won't even repeat them here -- we've heard them all). The right did plenty "usurping" of their own in past years -- funny how you get religion when the tide turns against you.

If you want to be heard, and if you want to participate, stop shouting slogans and say something useful

Aug. 28 2009 11:37 AM
Lori from Montclair, NJ

He voted against the war! Enough said.

Aug. 28 2009 11:37 AM
Lori from Montclair, NJ

I think that his losing the Presidency was liberating. He seemed to trade ambition for purpose and he was VERY purposeful and successful.

If you look at Gore and Carter after the White House they seemed to finally find their true passion and their voice.

I think that Ted Kennedy was, of course, a politician but would better described as a crusader.

If there is a "higher power" than Kennedy's transgressions will be addressed but I think his life was a model of productivity and service (and perhaps atonement!).

Hey, he may have been privileged but he could have opted to conduct himself like Paris Hilton!

Aug. 28 2009 11:31 AM
hjs from 11211

NICO
right!

Aug. 28 2009 11:30 AM
Liz from Brooklyn

I was a Senate page in 2000. I think that one of the reasons the Kennedy legacy is so strong is because he was such a remarkable orator. Having been able to sit on the Senate floor listening to many of our politicians speak in public I can say with certainty that Ted Kennedy was one of the few who raised his voice passionately, and gestured wildly for issue he believed it. It was a delight to watch.

Aug. 28 2009 11:28 AM
Nico from NYC

So if it's OK to import booze during Prohibition because the law was stupid, it's OK to import marijuana during the current Prohibition because the law is stupid, right?

Aug. 28 2009 11:27 AM
Mike C. from Downtown Manhattan

I salute my Massachusetts homeboy, Senator Kennedy, for his many years of service to his country.

Aug. 28 2009 11:03 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Karen- Who is this "we" who need 60 votes votes to usurp even more freedom from the people to the government? This is presumptuous even for this website. I notice that you label as "right wing" even Democrats who dare to differ with you. Take a deep breath, calm down.

Aug. 28 2009 10:10 AM
Karen from Manhattan

I meant "not on principle," not "not only principle." Typo -- sorry.

Aug. 28 2009 09:03 AM
Karen from Manhattan

Also, does anyone know whether the Health Care Rally will go forward tomorrow, given that Danny is on the way? Has it been postponed? We have a small group of six people planning to join the march.

Aug. 28 2009 09:02 AM
Karen from Manhattan

Vice-President Biden described Sen. Kennedy's efforts to find common ground with his opponents as "lifting them up." He was not bi-partisan and a great compromiser. He was a highly-principled liberal who looked to make deals where he could with people who would sit by and let people die rather than vote for any bill, including SCHIP (providing health care to poor children), that might disadvantage the insurance industry. Never would they have reached out to him; it took a person inspired by a vision of social justice to ennoble even the worst of the right-wing.

Now those same right-wingers are attempting to using Sen. Kennedy's life and reputation to justify their efforts to kill health care. He lifted them up but, now that he's gone, they've sunk right back down.

Senator Kennedy would have compromised, but not only principle; he would never have compromised the public option. National health care was his goal, and the "sliver" that is the public option is already a compromise.

We need sixty votes for cloture, but only fifty to pass a health care bill. The right-wing Democrats in the Senate will not vote for a public option, but will they vote against cloture?

MA must have an interim Senator, and the fight must go one. The dream continues.

Aug. 28 2009 09:01 AM

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