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Tuesday, July 30, 2013

Pope Francis in Varginha, Brazil, July 27, 2013 (Tânia Rêgo/(Agência Brasil)/Wikipedia Commons)

Rocco Palmo, writer and church analyst, talks about Pope Francis' recent trip to Brazil, his comments on gay priests and his more relaxed style.

Comments [12]

Ed from Larchmont

'100's of thousands' - 3 million people attended.
Pope Emeritus Benedict retired because of age, he wasn't strong enough to do an event like this world youth day.
'John Paul closed the door' on women's ordination - Pope Paul wrote on it, Pope John Paul, and Pope Benedict, all saying that women's ordination is not possible in the Church. True, it was not taught infallibly in the sense of an infallible declaration, but the ordinary teaching of the Church is infallible if it extends over time, the Ordinary Magisterium.
Many, many married people have been canonized in the last century, martyrs, etc. - St. Gianna Mola is one.

Jul. 31 2013 08:09 AM
John A from Left of Center

Having thin man picked to be pope at this point in our lifetimes was definitely something of a gift. A reversal in position by the Vatican on 'Liberation Theology' in just a few years, that's breathtaking stuff.

Jul. 30 2013 11:31 AM

The Pope used the term "gay" as the question he was asked was about the scandal within the Vatican Bank involving a cabal referred to as "the gay lobby" which the guest alluded to with reference to the Uruguayan connection, but as this was probably why Benedict resigned, this kinder-gentler answer (much like "Don't Ask, Don't Tell") emerges to eclipse the thornier issue.

Jul. 30 2013 11:13 AM

"I am sure he realizes that homosexualism is not a life style that someone chooses and discriminating against them is like discriminating against people of the "wrong" color."

You are completely conflating /desire/ and /orientation/ with /behavior/ and /culture/-- an extremely common, if not universal, error among people who present the type of arguments that you did.

(And you obviously meant /homosexuality/ and not /homosexualism/.)

Jul. 30 2013 10:59 AM
Brenda

I think the Pope had the chance to promote some understanding to his followers and others. I am sure he realizes that homosexualism is not a life style that someone chooses and discriminating against them is like discriminating against people of the "wrong" color. I realize it would be an idea that would get a lot of resistance but if he wants to be on the side of defending what God created this would have been the time and if he answers anymore questions about the comment he did make he could still put this forth.

Jul. 30 2013 10:52 AM

Rob McGee, who says of himself, "I'm a total homo with no apologies, but please don't call me gay, because it's a stupid word and an even stupider subculture.":

"[...]it's a dubious practice at best, yet throughout the entire run of the AIDS epidemic, the promotion and glamorization of rumpy-pumpy has never ceased in the "gay community."

"[...]gay men who don't enjoy buggery experience relentless (albeit often subtle) peer pressure
[...]"

( http://throbert.blogspot.com/2009/07/open-letter-to-john-derbyshire.html )

"Gay male culture TEACHES men that they should diligently practice and practice and practice until they start to enjoy the sensation of being anally penetrated -- and believe you me, there's quite a substantial learning curve involved! And then the culture encourages them to think that this is somehow encoded in their genes."

( http://funfrotfacts.blogspot.com/ )

Jul. 30 2013 10:40 AM
Bob from Westchester, NY

The Church purports to praise traditional marriage, but when is the last time it recognized a married person as a saint? The vast majority of the Catholic laity are married family people who could use role models; with due respect to John Paul II, his canonization would not provide this for those of us raising families out in the world.

Jul. 30 2013 10:40 AM
Gerald Fnord from Palos Verdes, Ca

The Pope is an humble man who believes that under some circumstances the creator of the universe pays especial care such that he can't be in error.

The Pope is a kind man who is sure, given his knowledge of the tastes of that creator, that the incorrect (though desired and consensual) juxtaposition of body parts involving primary or secondary sexual features will result in that loving creator's acquiescing in your being tormented for eternity.

The Pope tells us to remember the poor, but doesn't much attack---not even as much as John Paul II's minimal such---the fundamentals of a system that _needs_ there to be poor people 'pour encourager les autres', and so can never countenance their being none such, if not here then in China, then in Burma, then in Tanzania, then (after our further impoverishment and total control of our government by business [as opposed to the merely near-total such that obtains today]) back here.

Jul. 30 2013 10:34 AM

'Homosexuality and the Church Crisis' by Brian Clowes http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/clo/clo_09homosexuality.html

I am not convinced by the author's arguments /absolving the Church/-- at least not to the extent that he does. But I am absolutely convinced that at least many of the Church's detractors and attackers have least as much to answer for as the Church does.

Jul. 30 2013 10:32 AM
MikeInBrklyn from Clinton Hill

This sound a lot like the muddled nonsense that is/was Don't Ask Dont Tell. If one extrapolate what was said, it might translate something like this: We won't judge you if you are attracted to persons of the same sex. But if you act on your desire and have sex with a person of the same gender, then you are a sinner and that gay thing will need to be dealt with. Talk about having your cake and eating it.

The real story here is that the Pope is willing to accept and acknowledge what many outside the church already know: MANY PRIEST ARE GAY!! This, to me, was more about providing cover for all those dirty old gay men in frocks.

The more important story was his claim that his and the church's position on WOMEN is non negotiable.

Jul. 30 2013 10:27 AM
Nick from UWS

"The pope said the G word...gay." What are you, 11 years old?

Jul. 30 2013 10:02 AM
Ed from Larchmont

"Catholics are people who see God in the face of an old man who lives in Rome." GKChesterton.

On the plane the pope said essentially 'Gay people aren't necessarily bad people', and the reporters wrote 'Church to change teaching on homosexuality'. I don't think so.

The media payed attention and misinterpreted this one phrase because they hadn't listened to the seven days of the pope's addresses and sermons in Rio.

We loved John Paul, we loved Benedict, and it's taken a few weeks to get used to Pope Francis' style but we love Pope Francis. (Though he seems to look a little like the very human cartoon character Herman, no?)

Jul. 30 2013 05:45 AM

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