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NSA Authority Remains Unchecked

Thursday, July 25, 2013

National Security Agency (NSA) (Chris Hardie/flickr)

Kate Nocera, BuzzFeed reporter discusses last night's House vote that failed -- by a surprisingly close vote -- to curb the NSA's authority to collect personal information, and what it tells us about attitudes towards the agency post-Snowden.

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Comments [13]

jf from REALITY

WONDER WHY MONSANTO BOUGHT BLACKWATER? THIS IS ALL CONNECTED. THE DYSTOPIANS ARE FIGHTING A WAR AGAINST US.

Jul. 25 2013 03:56 PM

Edward from Wash./Hudson Heights wrote,
"Anyone who "Likes" radical Islam Facebook/Youtube websites or goes to Islamist/Jihadi websites goes into the monitor file."

What about those who do not agree with the views of such sites but visit them in order to /monitor/ or /study/ them? Or just out of simple /curiosity/? Don't we need some way of differentiating?

Jul. 25 2013 01:01 PM
carl from queens

I'll lay 10 to 1 that if we were to dig up the graves of Franklin, Washington, Adams, Jefferson,. etc., we would find them facing communist China. All their genius went down the toilet bowl with this vote. The Reps who voted against this amendment did not represent the people who voted them in, but represented their own failed foreign policy of both branches of government for the last 50 or so years.

Jul. 25 2013 12:14 PM
jawbone

Seeing so few comments makes we wonder whether people in this area, much less the nation, really understand what is being done to their civil liberties...or even know what their Constitutional rights really mean. Or are all those really concerned busy or on vacation?

And how those meanings are being changed by Supremos who declare they are only acting as the Founding Fathers and authors, sighers, state legislators who rafified it only with the promise the Bill of Rights would be passed would have them act. Ha, they act for greater power of wealth.

We are in, as Poppy Bush often said, deep doodoo. IIRC.

Jul. 25 2013 11:39 AM
jawbone

Agree with superf88: Our DC pols, for the Senate will probably be even more in favor of ignoring our Constitutional rights, are giving official notice that the Constitution, or at least any parts which don't give unlimited power to the "deep state," are hereby dead and gone. Corporatism and make more war! International treaties negotiated in strictest silence, with Big Corporations getting their wish lists included which will mean local, state, and national laws will NOT apply to their businesses. No taxes for the Uberwealthy!

Yeah, that's the ticket.

Bill of Rights? Take it to the Supreme Court and let them chain it to concrete and sink it in the Potomac, or better, somewhere near bin Laden's ramains....

Franklin was reported to have said that after the Constitutional Convention we had "a republic...if we can keep it." I think the 21st Century is providing a resounding "NO," that we cannot keep it and, indeed, have probably already lost it.

(When money/wealth equals political power, those holding this economic power will implement the programs which they think work best -- usually working best for THEM. And, increasingly, those with wealth are unable to empathize with those who do not have wealth. Big Banksters, the really big one, just buy their way out of prosecutions; small time shoplifters or crooks? They get the book thrown at them. It;s getting all very Tale of Two Cities, isnt' it?)

So we lose our democratic republic to a powerful alliance of Big Corporations and the Deep State. That kind of alliance was known by other names in the 20th Century, with each national power falling to it having it's own particular name and other details. But, overall, the alliance of business (big business) and big government is not good for the individual or for freedom and democracy. But, sometimes, the trains run on time.

Jul. 25 2013 11:23 AM
jawbone

I find myself wondering that perhaps too many DC pols know damn well just how much the NSA knows -- and they're being told you vote to keep this program going or somehow there will be little tidbits to help end your political caree...or worse.

Capiche?

Jul. 25 2013 10:43 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

> Liz

> How can we pretend we're the LAN of the free?

And the WAN of the brave!

Jul. 25 2013 10:42 AM
Liz

How can we pretend we're the LAN of the free?

Jul. 25 2013 10:40 AM
Jean from Midtown

Here's a good link re what the Amash amendment to the Defense bill would have done:
http://amash.house.gov/speech/amash-nsa-amendment-fact-sheet

Jul. 25 2013 10:39 AM

Ron Paul was against the Patriot Act and gvt surveillance from the start...he actually made floor speeches in 1984 warning of it coming at some point. Anyone that voted against Amash's amendment IS the PROBLEM...and it goes all the way to the White House and the Justice Dept.

Jul. 25 2013 10:38 AM

In a land which regulates a women's reproduction, why would anyone imagine there is privacy anywhere?

Jul. 25 2013 10:35 AM

Huh? To me this sounds like the House has now officially approved NSA's recent actions, no more and no less.

Voters take note.

Jul. 25 2013 10:35 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Smart profiling would limit the dragnet.

Anyone who "Likes" radical Islam Facebook/Youtube websites or goes to Islamist/Jihadi websites goes into the monitor file.

Jul. 25 2013 10:15 AM

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