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Monday, July 22, 2013

Two images of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, one from the night of his capture, and another on the cover of Rolling Stone

New images of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, looking like a rock star on Rolling Stone's cover and dirtied and bloodied in photos released by a  Boston police officer have stirred controversy.  Why do you think it matters how the public sees Tsarnaev's face? Call 212-433-9692 or post your comments below.

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Comments [40]

Isn't the biggest concern that Rolling Stone is popularizing a killer, which increases the likelihood of copy-cat crimes? I'm surprised and disappointed that this was mentioned on the air.

That said, I don't dismiss the idea that white people are uncomfortable because they see themselves reflected in his image.

Jul. 23 2013 01:42 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Tokyo/Tehran roseellen,

Your pro-jihad, fifth column comments demonstrate the need for monitoring by the NYPD, FBI and NSA, to hopefully prevent another Boston Marathon bombing, Fort Hood, Times Square bombing, bridge and tunnel bombing plot, 1993 truck bombing of the WTC.

Just as all passengers and cargo are screened at airports world-wide, to prevent your friends from repeating 9/11, Pan Am 103 bombing, interrupted sneaker bomber, interrupted underwear bomber, there needs to be work to defeat your friends plots.

Lynn Stewart, the attorney for the blink sheik of the 1993 bombing of the WTC is in prison for passing the sheiks opinions to his followers.

How do you think Nazi sympathizers and collaborators and traitors were treated during WW2?

Meanwhile 100,000 have died (Arabs killing Arabs) in Russia backed Syria, yet the fake anti-war crowd don't protest the slaughter because they can't blame the US.

Jul. 23 2013 10:32 AM

Blowback is blowback. last time I checked free speech including that which goes against your self serving totalizing good vs. evil false narrative is still a right. Though everyone's speech is monitored apparently. People have the right as free people to be anti American or rabid nationalists. You'd make a good german or a good russian. I'm free whether you call me a traitor or a patriot. If you don't like it too bad. As long as the laws allow me my freedom to speak truth to this false narrative, I'll continue to do so. Thin skinned hypocrite. How many arms and legs of men ,women and children did one of your "heroes" blow off today? I stand with their victims. If that makes me un-American then it is what it is. That's not a crime, it's a right. My conscience override nationalism. The biggest threat to the people of the world is American militarism. And boston was WAS, unfortunately, blowback for that! You and the mass media and the politicians are in denial of reality as you spew your false narrative about it.

Jul. 23 2013 09:02 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Tokyo/Tehran roseellen,

You comments justifying the Boston Marathon bombing as blowback make you a danger to this country.

Hopefully scrutiny by the NYPD, FBI and NSA will prevent your hoped for "blowback".

I stand by my statement that I hope the NYPD, FBI and NSA monitor you and your friends.

Jul. 23 2013 12:54 AM

If blacks were going around murdering whites[the way Americans are going around murdering Muslims in Muslim lands] and there were a lot of whites going about murdering blacks then it would be blowback. It would still be murder.As is what the Boston bombers did. However blacks are not going around murdering whites.Whites murder more whites then blacks do ,ever. One persons retaliation is not blowback. Blowback is applicable when there are a lot of people engaged in specific terrorist acts all for the same reasons. One person is simply retaliation ,vengeance or a hate crime.A whole lot of people in concert or allied and it's blowback. Terrorism committed by Muslims against people from countries that have invaded , occupied, or otherwise have policies that they perceive are harming their populations, that's blowback. A Zimmerman out for vengeance is just him out for vengeance. That's not political it's personal hatred. These bombers may have been that also. We don't know if they were connected with other people. But a movement of terrorism exists and has for years as blowback. They may be both ,lone wolves yet acting on behalf of the terrorism as blowback agenda.

Jul. 23 2013 12:37 AM

Zimmerman said it was self defense. He never claimed to be deliberately targeting a black guy as retaliation for crimes committed by blacks. He claims race had nothing to do with it but that he simply defended his life when he had no choice but to kill or be killed. Had he claimed he was killing someone for political reasons, as an act of political terrorism then ,that's what it would be. He'd be a white supremicist terrorist. But that was not his narrative. So it's apples and oranges.Again if there were a slew of such whites going about murdering blacks and claimed they were doing this as vengeance then at some point ,one of these terrorists would be fodder for any news publication to profile. Zimmerman as it turned out is a garden variety thug who likes to harass and intimidate people and was trigger happy that night. Had he not killed Trayvon he knew Trayvon could have gotten him in trouble for harassing him as he had a history of problems with the police and other people.Hhe HAD to kill Ttrayvon if he was going to intimidate him. He knew that from the get go and covered himself by calling 911 first.He has a history of using violence when angry and of harassing innocent people while a watchman .He's like a gang member or thug who demands submission and has no qualms about killing anyone who resists his intimidation. That's his profile, in my opinion. Stand Your ground means you must kill your opponent cause the last man standing is innocent and the one who defends himself and loses his life is vilified[Trayvon].

They put these "heroes" on covers and do glorifying pieces on them even though many people knew them to be guilty of murdering men ,women and children. Real justice would have them tried too.

Jul. 22 2013 11:28 PM

Turns out they're monitoring everyone.So the mantra you keep spouting against me every time I say something that goes against the main stream narrative[how DARE I resist the pervasive indoctrination]can apply to you too. They can pull up your posts too. I'm free and over 21.I speak my mind. That is still legal and I'm glad it offends your hypocritical sensibilities and I'm glad that it offends you that not everyone subscribes to the dehumanizing stereotyping sound bite propaganda about terrorism.I'm free to think and post anything I want! I take him at his word; he acted out of vengeance for all the men, women and children who got their arms and legs blown off by the Americans. You know, those people we call heroes. Two wrongs don't make a right but it is what it is.

Jul. 22 2013 10:58 PM

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Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Hey Tokyo/Tehran roseellen,

I hope the NYPD is monitoring you and your associations.

I hope the NSA is monitoring you and your associations.
Jul. 22 2013 06:30 PM

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Now, that's going over-the-top, Edward.

Whatever you or anyone else may think of roseellen's posts, I see nothing in them that would at all suggest the type of threat that you insinuate.

Jul. 22 2013 07:19 PM

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If nothing else, surely one can at least say of Zimmerman that, "He's complex, just like everyone is", no?

Continuing to speak of Tsarnaev, roseellen wrote, "And THAT's why the main stream media objects;they want sound bites only, to effectively dehumanize him."

Well, again, I ask: couldn't much the same be said of /George Zimmerman's/ detractors? That they reduced him to "a one dimensional cartoonish stereotype"; a racist ogre, a complete and total villain with no redeeming qualities?

Finally, rosellen, speaking again of Tsarnaev, concluded her post with the following:

"And btw, he claims he committed his terrorist act in retaliation for all the men, women and children whose arms and legs got blown off by the the Americans. NOT as the main stream propaganda tells us, because women here don't wear head scarves and we don't bow to Mecca. it's called blowback. Two wrongs never make a right but it IS blowback!"

Well, again, I must ask another hypothetical, based on the premise we have assumed for the sake of this exercise: that George Zimmerman actually did murder Trayvon Martin out of racial hatred.

Is it not plausible, then, that Zimmerman would have done so "in retaliation" for all of the people he knew, in his neighborhood and perhaps elsewhere as well, who were the victims of robberies (or worse) that were carried-out by people of the same racial composition as Trayvon Martin, i.e., Blacks?

Was it not the case that Zimmerman's neighborhood had suffered numerous robberies and that the majority of them were committed by people who happened to be Black?

Of course, as roseellen assures us in the first part of her final sentence, "Two wrongs never make a right". But were it to be established that the hypothetical I just described was, in fact, what actually happened; that Zimmerman acted-out of retaliation, would roseellen and those of similar mind, conclude, with an emphatic insistence that, "it IS blowback!"? I wonder.

Jul. 22 2013 07:07 PM

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"Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights" wrote,

"To the people who see no offense with the glamour headshot of the surviving Boston Marathon bomber,

how would you react to a similar cover photo, a glamour headshot of George Zimmerman?

Would you be as accepting of the cover?"

That is an excellent question.

Let's assume, for the sake of this exercise, the worst about George Zimmerman: That he murdered Trayvon Martin just for being of the racial makeup that he was. Wasn't Zimmerman nevertheless still, as the poster "roseellen" wrote of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, "a full human being"?

Now let's continue to take the characterizations of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev found in rosellen's post and see if we can apply them to George Zimmerman, shall we?

Wasn't Zimmerman more than "a one dimensional cartoonish stereotype"? Isn't he "both good and bad"? Doesn't George Zimmerman have "parents who love him and friends"? And "a story"?

Roseellen went on to write that Tsarnaev, "confounds our narrative about terrorists as he looks like our version of a human being."

Well, couldn't it be said that George Zimmerman, as a Latino/Hispanic-- i.e., /himself/ a "person of color"-- confounds common narratives of the typical racist aggressor who victimizes "persons of color"?

It has even been claimed that Zimmerman regularly condemned what he claimed was the abuse of a black homeless man by a police officer and rallied for the officer to be brought to justice. If true, wouldn't this further confound the narrative about Zimmerman that his detractors would have us believe?
(cont'd)

Jul. 22 2013 07:05 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Hey Tokyo/Tehran roseellen,

I hope the NYPD is monitoring you and your associations.

I hope the NSA is monitoring you and your associations.

Jul. 22 2013 06:30 PM

we're unabashedly becoming a rather blood thirsty people, like the Romans? It's not the first time there is a clamor for the sight of our enemies all bloodied up? This, at the same time we have "national conversations" about violence every time the "wrong" people are bloodied!

Jul. 22 2013 06:22 PM

"Steve Addabbo from Westchester" wrote (Jul. 22 2013 10:59 AM),

"Charles Manson was on the cover of Rolling Stone and Life magazine..did that cause more cults to be formed.."

"Sonia from Manhattan" wrote (Jul. 22 2013 11:01 AM)

"Before and during World War II, Hitler was on the cover of Time magazine; did this mean Time was "glorifying" Hitler?"

Did the covers featuring Hitler and Manson depict them in as favorably a light?

(Note that I did not say the /articles/ but the /cover photos/)
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Regarding the comments that mention race: Incredible how some people seem to never miss an opportunity to trot-out the race-card.

Jul. 22 2013 05:07 PM

He looks the way he looks. Both pictures are him. He's not a one dimensional cartoonish stereotype but a full human being. He's both good and bad. He has parents who love him and friends. And a story.He confounds our narrative about terrorists as he looks like our version of a human being. He's complex, just like everyone is. And THAT's why the main stream media objects;they want sound bites only, to effectively dehumanize him.
And btw, he claims he committed his terrorist act in retaliation for all the men, women and children whose arms and legs got blown off by the the Americans. NOT as the main stream propaganda tells us, because women here don't wear head scarves and we don't bow to Mecca. it's called blowback. Two wrongs never make a right but it IS blowback!

Jul. 22 2013 04:51 PM
rj from LI

To echo the comment of another listener, he is a kid who did a terrible thing. Calling people are either "good," or "evil," just avoids acknowledging that we are all complex, all capable of good acts and terrible acts. He had no stabilizing force, just an older brother who was influential in a destructive way. I'm not sure he fully grasped the enormity or the horror of what he was going to do.

Jul. 22 2013 02:01 PM

"What a strange illusion it is to assume that beauty is goodness." - Tolstoy

Jul. 22 2013 12:24 PM
Mary from Hoboken

Re Tony from Canarsie, when the Tsarnaev brothers were first identified, there was a lot of confusion amoung the media as to whether they were "caucasian" or not!! Considering the part of the world they come from, this was laughable. Having to admit they were kinda, sorta, white seemed to make members of the media uncomfortable and I am sure they were tempted to "OJ" them. Let's not forget Timothy McVee, all American boy.

Jul. 22 2013 12:09 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Estelle from Brooklyn

"I am now reading an article about Omar Hammami, an all-American boy of Syrian descent turned Jhadist. He is on the FBI's most wanted list. The article was printed 1/31/10."

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists/@@wanted-group-scroll-view?selected-uid=0ff05350-e43b-44d6-9679-71ec500d8d06

Jul. 22 2013 11:31 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Would jan wenners rolling stone magazine have a glamour cover picture of the assassin of John Lennon too?

There is a sick mentality at work at rolling stone.

Jul. 22 2013 11:26 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

To the people who see no offense with the glamour headshot of the surviving Boston Marathon bomber,

how would you react to a similar cover photo, a glamour headshot of George Zimmerman?

Would you be as accepting of the cover?

Jul. 22 2013 11:20 AM
Estelle from Brooklyn

A strange coincidence. I pile up NY times Magazines to read eventually, I am now reading an article about Omar Hammami, an all-American boy of Syrian descent turned Jhadist. He is on the FBI's most wanted list. The article was printed 1/31/10.

Jul. 22 2013 11:03 AM
Sonia from Manhattan

The hysteria over this cover photo is just one more example of infantilized Americans. Dzokhar happens to be a rather good-looking young man. Should Rolling Stone have uglified him? Some people don't even want to see his face; do they think they will be harmed just looking at him? Before and during World War II, Hitler was on the cover of Time magazine; did this mean Time was "glorifying" Hitler? Please, grow up!

Jul. 22 2013 11:01 AM
Steve Addabbo from Westchester

Charles Manson was on the cover of Rolling Stone and Life magazine..did that cause more cults to be formed..The outrage over this cover is such a mindless knee jerk reaction..Read the article!!

Jul. 22 2013 10:59 AM
Nat from NYC

Violence is routinely glamorized in American society anyhow, so this could be seen as simply more of the same. The only difference is that this guy is an alleged terrorist rather than "one of us". So violence is OK so long as "we" are doing it? This outcry against R.S. is hypocritical, to say the least.

Plus, if we're worried about recruitment of more terrorists, this magazine cover is small potatoes. Every time we kill innocents with a drone strike, now THAT is the best recruitment tool they've got -- and we're handing it to them on a gilded platter.

Jul. 22 2013 10:57 AM
Mike from Tribeca

Brian, in your comment before the segment, I think you vastly overestimated the socio-political influence of the cover of a music magazine, i.e., tomorrow's fish wrap.

Jul. 22 2013 10:56 AM
MichaelB from Morningside Heights

"[Are teenagers] that impressionable and swayable?"???

Are you kidding Brian? And you, the father of two boys, of whom I believe at least one is a teen.

That's what adolescence revolves around and a young person's struggle to find his own self, apart from the peer-group pressure (and most grow into adulthood with only scant success. Check out the lines at movies, Apple Stores, the "Rain" exhibit at MoMA, etc.)

Can't believe Brian asked that question in a serious mode.

Jul. 22 2013 10:56 AM
Joshua Koerner

The police picture might have been used as evidence, and now it may not be.

Jul. 22 2013 10:56 AM
barbara

curious that a photo image is an issue when Islam forbids depictions of people

Jul. 22 2013 10:53 AM
AKENY from poughkeepsie

This I know is true ===> There would have been LESS fuss if Rolling Stone had darkened Dzhokhar Tsarnaev's face a few hues. White people saw themselves reflected in his image and were made uncomfortable. The Boston bombing probably happened while black men were over-policed & profiled. Police let other people get away because of their racist policies.

Jul. 22 2013 10:52 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Brian "other young Muslims" Really?? What about just other young nut jobs in general?

As a Rolling Stone subscriber, I thought it was poor judgement to use this particular picture of this person. There were others, like this one http://rt.com/files/news/1e/ca/e0/00/publish-dzhokhar-dead-tsarnaev.si.jpg

they could have used.

Jul. 22 2013 10:52 AM
blacksocialist from BKbaby

what's the problem, haven't Bush and Obama been on numerous covers? aren't they war criminals? the hypocrisy and idiocy of the American public.... pathetic

Jul. 22 2013 10:52 AM
Tom Rodeheaver from Hagaman, NY

I'm not sure I understand what the problem is with the picture on the cover of Rolling Stone? This is a picture of a kid who did bad things.

Jul. 22 2013 10:52 AM
Judy from nyc

Re the Rolling Stone cover: Was the photo taken by a professional photographer, posed after hair and make-up?

Jul. 22 2013 10:51 AM

All that would have been needed on the cover was a silhouette of Dzhokhar. Nothing else. Then inside on the article page, a small photo of his Facebook photo along with his capture photo.

Rolling Stone magazine knew what was going to happen. This was all a publicity stunt. We need to be focused on things of much greater substance. This is populist wheel spinning and it's disheartening to see how much time is being devoted to it.

Jul. 22 2013 10:50 AM
PCRibeiro

I can understand people's anger over the cover, and I am a little concerned about how images can inspire others. But I also think there is something tremendously powerful in showing people who have done truly horrifying things as human beings. When we can single them out as "the other" and completely alien, it allows us to lull ourselves into a sort of complacency. It allows us to deny the existence of a dark side within each of us. It also forces us to not make assumptions simply by looking at people about who they are as people.

Jul. 22 2013 10:50 AM
John from NJ

They should have used the recent photo showing the laser target photo. BTW someone lifted my copy out of the mail!

Jul. 22 2013 10:49 AM
Christine from Westchester

Oh here we go again with Brian: let's continue to make some more martyrs and victims. Everyone who is a little "different' due to race, looks religion isn't repressed. Let's stop having this conversation where everyone has to vent about how they are the victm.

Jul. 22 2013 10:49 AM
Christine from Westchester

He's gotten far too much press, too much attention. I think they should have be NO photos of him in any way shape or form on the cover.

Jul. 22 2013 10:46 AM

Why is rolling stone being singled out? All the media builds up the "hero" element when these crazies go on their rants.
We'd would be a much better nation if names were not mentioned and pictures never shown
Instead for ratings they find every pic and share it over and over. They report half truths to scoop others.
O the joy the like minded thugs feel watching scared weak Americans show all that terror in fact works, and even better when the media is their home grown ally
Turn off tune out!!

Jul. 22 2013 10:40 AM
Tony from Canarsie

Re the Rolling Stone cover: Maybe some would have been appeased if Rolling Stone had darkened Tsarnaev's skin ala Time magazine and their infamous OJ Simpson cover?

Jul. 22 2013 10:27 AM

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