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Black Ethnics

Monday, July 08, 2013

Christina Greer, assistant professor of political science at Fordham University (Lincoln Center), and author of Black Ethnics: Race, Immigration, and the Pursuit of the American Dream (Oxford University Press, 2013) seeks to go beyond the monolithic label "Black-Americans" to look at the issues that unite--and divide--the recent immigrants from native-born. 

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Comments [13]

The Truth from Becky

Comments like the below, are stereotypical and ignorant. You cannot apply the suggested solution nor problem to an entire community of people.

Jul. 08 2013 12:29 PM
IMHO

[[jgarbuz from Queens

I believe that the reason why African-American society has been less cohesive than it should have been was because the slaves were brought out from many African nations, such as the Ibo,Hausa, Fula, Mandinka, Igbo Yoruba, Akan , Ijaw and others.]]

Oh stop it. You think the gangsters in Chicago are shooting at each other because one has roots in Hausa and the other is Fula?

Nonsense.

Stop having children outside of marriage. Start stressing education. Get a job. Stop making excuses.

Jul. 08 2013 12:07 PM
fuva from harlemworld

Hey, jgarbuz, you have some impressive insights into the black experience. It just needs further development.

Jul. 08 2013 12:03 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

I believe that the reason why African-American society has been less cohesive than it should have been was because the slaves were brought out from many African nations, such as the Ibo,Hausa, Fula, Mandinka, Igbo Yoruba, Akan , Ijaw and others. Having lost all contact and knowledge of their ethnic roots, there was no common historical memory or traditions as had whites, such as the English, Irish, Germans, Scots, French, and so on.
By contrast, recent African immgirants - especially from Africa itself - don't have the stigma of slavery, Jim Crow, or lack of historical roots as do American Blacks. And are less mentally handicapped for it as a result.

Jul. 08 2013 11:58 AM
James from Crown Heights

I'm sure it was just a typical slip of the tongue (for a new yorker), but when you are promoting a book about community diversity and you refer to vast areas of the country as "flyover states" in the same breath as "I'm not sure that these conversations are happening there", it's time to expand your horizons and your sensitivities. As a native of a diverse midwestern city, I was totally distracted by the fact that I'm absolutely certain that this otherwise engaging conversation would most certainly have an audience in my hometown.

Jul. 08 2013 11:56 AM
Commentor from Brooklyn

Check out Disintegration: The Splintering of Black America by Eugene Robinson. He did a great job analyzing these groups and historical factors that shape our relationships with each other. Great topic!

Jul. 08 2013 11:45 AM
sanych

I used to live in Summit and now I live in Newark. I have many black neighbors and have a very good relations with them.

I used to take a train from Summit to Hoboken, and now take light rail to Newark's Penn station.

One thing that is absolutely striking is the passive aggressive mood of people in Newark. It is reflected in loud speaking to each other or taking two seats on a crowded train. "Summit" people were much more considerable of each other.

Jul. 08 2013 11:38 AM
Alyson from Ditmas Park

As a "JB" I feel very strongly about this. I was told by my parents to do twice as good as a white person in school too. There are African-Americans with great work ethic. This really irritates me especially where I live in Brooklyn. I get bad attitudes from Afro-Caribbean people and I did nothing.

Jul. 08 2013 11:37 AM
A listener

FWIW, I'm a black guy.

What it comes down to is "work ethic." And this is not news. Two generations ago, women in New York knew that if you wanted a husband you should get "one of those good West Indian men."

Why?

Because a West Indian will go out looking for one job and come back with three.

Black Americans had that striver's mentality after the Great Migration, but it largely has been lost.

Jul. 08 2013 11:36 AM
fuva from harlemworld

In any case, don't all immigrants of color benefit from opportunity and rights native blacks struggled/died to provide?

Jul. 08 2013 11:29 AM
The Truth from Becky

*Listening* This should be good...smh

Jul. 08 2013 11:29 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Black people, who are not descendents of American slavery should NOT receive any preferential treatment - Affirmative Action.

That should have applied to Barak Obama too.

Jul. 08 2013 11:20 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Interesting fact: Apparently, immigrants from the motherland attain the most college degrees of any immigrant group of any color. (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2007-03-18/news/0703180344_1_black-immigrants-high-achieving-immigrants-biracial-couples)

Immigrants are a self-selected group. But the experiences of native and non-native blacks are substantially different in other ways too. One of many things they have in common is the failure to adequately understand this, and so it causes unnecessary, unproductive friction.

Jul. 08 2013 11:13 AM

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