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Monday Morning Politics: Back from Break

Monday, July 08, 2013

Representatives return to Congress today after a long holiday weekend with plenty on their agenda. Wall Street Journal reporter Elizabeth Williamson discusses the latest news from DC -- from U.S. policy in Egypt to immigration reform and more.

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Comments [21]

Em

So I'm presuming that TBLS has decided to fall in line with Bloomberg's statement that there's no controlling technology once it's out there, so the Surveillance State is inevitable, and there's no point in talking about Technology and the Rule of Law, the Constitution and Human Rights because all of this is beyond the control of us plebs, because our poor little heads just can't grapple with the binary values that dominate us today. We certainly don't want to end up like Egypt with a popular uprising revealing it's been the military in control all along, do we? I mean, how would that effect stock prices? So we'll just put up and shut up and passively listen to the "real" story - the status of Edward Snowden, Celebrity Fugitive (and presumably what Kanye's opinion is on all this.) It is sad to listen to this show slip into the category of MSM.

Oh and well done, MSM in totally ignoring the FCC licensing whitespace to Google et al - no significant future implications in that under-the-radar Tech story, are there. What a digital paradise we're making for the kids; you can just smell the brimstone. The olden-day shenanigans of the Cable companies will seem almost quaint by comparison.

Jul. 08 2013 04:46 PM
Lenore from Manhattan

I did not appreciate the guest's description of Snowden as not a "respectable" whistleblower because he allied himself with Wikileaks.

Brian doesn't like Wikileaks either. Too bad--they tell the truth about what we (the US) are doing in the world.

Kudos also to the NY Times yesterday with its account of the FISA court secret rulings.

Jul. 08 2013 02:06 PM
henry from md

@MGDUKE, your brain seems to be brimming with fear of the all powerful Israel
bugaboo. Chill out a little and use your mind. Anyone knowing anything about the Mideast would know that any government following the overthrow of Morsi would likely listen to popular demand with regard to the Israel issue, and the Egyptian population has been incited for decades against Israel.

Your wish to paint Israel as the universal ogre lurking behind every disturbance clouds reality with your wishful thinking.

Jul. 08 2013 12:20 PM
MGDUKE from NYC

Good to hear the slice of honesty from the caller cutting into the dishonestly slanted analysis of Lehrer and Eliz Williamson by pointing out that what happened in Egypt was obviously a coup and obviously promoted by US/Israeli interests (interests that should be recognized as benighted and self-destructive for us).

Lehrer’s pretense that US wd not want Morsi out because he was “playing nice” w Israel dishonestly conceals the key fact of Israel’s underlying conviction that Morsi’s accommodations were only temporary. Even yesterday’s TNYT reported that US greenlighted the coup after Morsi refused to be reduced to a figurehead.

Lehrer’s comment that Morsi was “plundering” democracy is further indication of how deep his bigotry runs. What could be clearer than that it is precisely at the hands of the military (backing the Mubarak kleptocracy) the plundering in Egypt has gone on for decades, and that what motivated the military to launch this increasingly bloody coup was its apprehension that Morsi was pushing them away from the trough and trying to channel the economic largesse to the common people?

Isn’t it obvious further that what Israel--and apparently Mr Lehrer--wants is an Egypt run by a behind-the-scenes military dictatorship, which takes for itself the lion’s share of our ‘foreign aid’, thereby undermining civil economic progress and the consequent empowerment of the vehement antiZionism of the vast majority of the Egyptian people?

For Lehrer to pump up his own bigotry by bringing on a guest like Williamson--many of whose comments were just off the wall: the Egyptian military doesn’t want to be running things (no, it wants to be running things from behind the scenes), Snowden isn’t concerned w terrorism because he came of age after 9/11 (?!!)--is further indication of the dishonesty of this program when it comes to issues important to Israel.

Jul. 08 2013 11:18 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

If Elliot Spitzer wants to "serve the people",

he should move to Nevada - home of the Bunny Ranch.

Jul. 08 2013 10:39 AM
Lucy from Manhattan

wondering whether the People taking to the streets to overthrow strict Islamists in the Middle East, could work in places such as Texas to overthrow our religious zealots in power?

Jul. 08 2013 10:37 AM
Soldier's Father from Westchester, NY

I don't understand the guest's comment that Mr. Snowden is too young to be affected by the attack on September 11th. He was 18 at the time, certainly old enough to understand what was going on. If he hadn't dropped out of high school, he would probably have been in a Maryland classroom watching friends being called down to the principal's office to be told that a parent would not be coming home from work at the Pentagon (as my then 7th grade son watched several classmates find out about their parents not coming home from the World Trade Center). Defend or attack what Mr. Snowden did, but don't claim he was too young to know what he was doing.

Jul. 08 2013 10:35 AM
claire from upper manhattan

Re Spitzer, where do I sign? I think it would be fantastic to have him back in politics.

Jul. 08 2013 10:32 AM
Nick from UWS

Snowden, a "29-year-old kid"? Since when is 29 years old a "kid"? Is there no end to the infantilization process in the USA? Is there no end to the stupidity of the public discourse?

Jul. 08 2013 10:28 AM
hansen

This woman is wholly incapable of commenting on Snowden in an objective and unbiased manner.

The man is principled; a notion incomprehensible to most journalists today. The idea that he would make a deal with a government which can't be trusted, and makes up the law as is pleases, just to violate his his convictions, is absurd.

Finally, isn't it obvious that the U.S. didn't actually believe Snowden was on the Bolivian plane, but was "sending a message"? To wit, that it will violate international law, exactly as it pleases, and that other countries will collaborate in that violation?

Jul. 08 2013 10:27 AM
PJ from NJ

Brian, his guest and the rest of the media gang are supine bunch. In my entire life it's always been the case when a military overthrows an elected democrAcy it's called a COUP. Except in this case of course because this narrative is not in line with US interest. So these people contort themselves to explain to us fools why a coup is not a coup. This may play well in these borders, but there is a whole world out there

Jul. 08 2013 10:26 AM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Navy Seal Term 6 has a new mission.

Edward Snowden.

Jul. 08 2013 10:25 AM
RJ from prospect hts

Since Americans have zero education in cultures and world history--at least anything not emphasizing US exceptionalism--why should we understand what"s genuinely going on in the mideast? All we get is scorecard headlines whenthere's a conflict, all in shorthand.

Jul. 08 2013 10:24 AM
Robert from NYC

First, shouldn't that be "restore sanity TO Westchester"? Secondly, what's the difference between not allowing a plane to pass over a country's air space and being forced down? It could not pass through those countrie's airspaces so it was forced to land or run out of fuel in the air and crash land. Duh!

Jul. 08 2013 10:24 AM
Donna from montclair

How did the CIA get 22 million people to mobilize and take peacefully to the streets?

Jul. 08 2013 10:21 AM
Robert from NYC

No, to me Snowden is still a legitimate whistleblower. I thank him. It's time we get on the back of this administration and government to get back to be by, for and of the people, THE PEOPLE!

Jul. 08 2013 10:21 AM
carolyn from manhattan

there is a parallel here with Brazil in the 1960s. the country was under democratic govt and things became unruly and popular demand brought the military in. note the motto on the Brazilian flag "ordem e progreso": translated as "order and progress". a joke among young people then was "order is progess" (has to do with accent on the e or not).

can someone fill the history out? is there anything to learn here?

Jul. 08 2013 10:20 AM
Restore Sanity from Westchester, NY

For accuracy: Bolivian president's plane was not forced down; rather several nations (eg., France, Portugal, etc.) refused to give permission to cross their air space, and it had to land in Vienna to re-fuel.

Jul. 08 2013 10:18 AM
Brendan from Upper West Side

How is it that Snowden's itinerary and search for asylum continues to overshadow the facts of what he has revealed? Yeah, we all love a chase, but this seems to be the epitome of misdirection. Or did we all just agree to stop thinking about government surveillance of massive amounts of our communication?

"Catch me if you can" a la Snowden is doing the NSA and the security industrial complex a huge favor....

Jul. 08 2013 10:18 AM
Samantha from nyc

Didn't the US heavily back or engineer the coup that removed Aristede who had been democratically elected Haitian president?

Jul. 08 2013 10:11 AM
Jeff

What's the sit. with Mohammed alBaradei? Is he in or out?

Jul. 08 2013 10:10 AM

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