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Monday Morning Politics: Snowden, Ecuador, Africa Trip, Immigration

Monday, July 01, 2013

President Obama's trip to Africa continues this week, with a stop today in Tanzania, but the politics of DC continue to dominate much of the headlines. Susan Page of USA Today discusses the president's trip, the latest on the extradition of NSA leaker Edward Snowden, prospects for immigration reform in House and more.

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Mr. Bad from NYC

@ hjs11211

Yes, where is the Nat Sec threat? How is out national security challenged by China retaining control over its natural sphere of influence. Remember the Monroe Doctrine? Cuts both ways. There is NO THREAT to our national integrity or sovereignty.

Our country's geographic boundaries, bounded by two vast oceans and bordered North and South by friendly and malleable allies is more secure than any other Nation in the historical record.

Canada's tar sands and our own Nat Gas reserves make us energy independent for the next 100 years or more. WTF are we spending NAT SEC $$$ ON? WHY?!?!

Jul. 01 2013 07:15 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

Navy Seal Team 6 has a new mission.

Edward Snowden.

Jul. 01 2013 12:56 PM
anonyme

Go Fuva!

Jul. 01 2013 11:01 AM
RUCB_Alum from Central New Jersey

C'mon, fellas. Neither the Snowden case or the BP Spill are the result of Obama policies. To pretend that they are directly attributable to Obama incompetency shows your bias. If the shoe fits...

U.S. spying on allies? Well, of course, those allies would protest most strongly (but it has all the heft of a complaint about an unfaithful spouse.)

What you do on your on time is fine...just don't let it become public.

Jul. 01 2013 11:00 AM
jawbone

Re: Mr. Bad from New York City at 10:01am (numbering comments would be so helpful for referencing another comment, eh?!) -- Did anyone mention on air the WaPo's revelation that the NSA analysts can with extreme ease get to listen in real time to Americans' telephone calls, read emails, get into anything digital???

I was listening but did have to take a quick call, so I can't say it wasn't. But it sure seems like it would have been something important to discuss about the Snowden revelations.

Edward Snowden is telling the American people things they really need to know about their government, Will the MCM (Mainstream Corporate Media) now try to get into the Move Along, Folks; Nothing to See Here mode and try to stuff all the information down the Memory Hole?

Are most Americans now so terrified of terra, terra, terra that they will accept any and all abrogations of their civil liberties, their right to privacy, the need for even the government to follow the Constition????

I'm actually gobsmacked at how easily most people can be led into totalitarianism. As I watched this nation being lied into an illegal war against Iraq under Bush/Cheney, driven by fear and hate, I realized just how easity people can be bamboozled, moved by fear to accept tyranny. I had this terrible realization that that's what was done to the German people by Hitler and his propagandists.

American Exceptionalism? Not in this area of being easily manipulated.

The ghost of Richard Nixon must be must be laughing at us now, saying, "See? I told you that when the president does something, it is not illegal!"

Too bad Trickey Dick was born just a few decades too early to practice his kind of "democracy."

Stunning, but, oh so predictable. Freedom and rule of law is extremely difficult to retain.

I fear we've lost ours.

Thank you, Edward Snowden, for taking a stand for freedom of speech, transparency, the rule of law, the Constitution.

And, remember everyone using anything digital (which includes those analog phone calls when they get to the telcos' central switches), they really may be listening to and reading every word you use. And, then, it's all stored so they can go back years and years and pull out incriminating sounding phrases and statements. You have no privacy anymore, not from our current government.

You'll nver know, most likely, what may have pulled any specific one of you into a web of personal terror, brought to you by your government. Good luck.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/

Jul. 01 2013 10:49 AM
fuva from harlemworld

The IT revolution has unleashed capabilities that we have insufficiently considered, due to the distractions it has also unleashed.

This Snowden episode, for instance, is all the rage, and yet we still haven't really examined the many critical issues it has raised. (E.g., "It's okay for the government to catalogue all of our communication, because companies do". As if companies can legally spy on/jail/launch COINTELPRO against/kill us...?) And we probably never will.

Jul. 01 2013 10:30 AM
Amy from Manhattan

I don't know if Mr. Snowden didn't seek/accept asylum from Venezuela or Russia (or was it Cuba?) because he was concerned w/his image (as Brian said) or because he genuinely objects to how their gov'ts. operate. Or maybe it's more a question of his *self*-image. Everyone seems to want to psychoanalyze him according to their own political position, but the reality is, we don't know.

Jul. 01 2013 10:29 AM
Robert from NYC

The House, LOL, is an incompetent bunch of yokels headed by an idiot. They are an SNL skit. Be afraid, be very afraid. John Boehner is in line, 2nd in line to become president of this decaying country. That should complete the decay!

Jul. 01 2013 10:28 AM
els from Ridgefield, CT

Don't think a woman would trust a man under 31 to handle the info Mr. Snowden was able to access. There is a lack of maturity in a person of this age no matter how smart and how broad thinking.

Jul. 01 2013 10:25 AM

Would you still think snowden was a hero if you found out he sold info to China or Russia?

Jul. 01 2013 10:22 AM
john from office

Today we have the death of 20 heros in Arizona, defending their state and their nation. We waste our time talking about a human turd, that is a traitor. He should be tried and hung or serve a life sentence.

8000 Hollywood types signed a petition in favor of a traitor, What a surprise. 8000 people that should leave the USA, they live off of our freedom and hate us for it.

Jul. 01 2013 10:22 AM
Robert from NYC

Well we know Israel spies on us, we've seen that many times over the decades and it seems to be ok.

Jul. 01 2013 10:22 AM
????

NO!!!!!!!!!!!
Due process yes

But this is an irresponsible little snot nosed kid who doesn't care what is of consequence to the rest of us!

Bradley Manning took the risks

What about the govt agents who were destroyed

Jul. 01 2013 10:19 AM
Robert from NYC

YES, Ecuador should take Snowden.

Jul. 01 2013 10:17 AM

Snowden should be left alone...and thanked often

Jul. 01 2013 10:13 AM
Lenore from Manhattan

To answer Brian's question: should Snowden be extradited or be granted asylum (somewhere)? He should be granted asylum and never be extradited to the US. And my senator (most unfortunately) Schumer should back off!!

I know that nothing good will ever happen to Snowden again in his life unless he makes it to Cuba or some such country. But he has given us the truth, and Americans should be grateful to him.

Brian, I am NOT furious at Snowden because he is a leaker. It's our permanent government that is furious about leaking. The rest of us just want to know what the heck is going on.

Jul. 01 2013 10:13 AM
fuva from harlemworld

Don't think Ecuador will do it. The financial penalties Schumer is threatening are too much.

Jul. 01 2013 10:09 AM
Mr. Bad from NYC

Snowden is exonerated. Where are those Atlantic Online "security experts" now...

No real time surveillance? No surveillance of Americans? ROFL!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/prism-collection-documents/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/us-intelligence-mining-data-from-nine-us-internet-companies-in-broad-secret-program/2013/06/06/3a0c0da8-cebf-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

600 Billion + dollars annually to build all this, supposedly to stop a guy making a bomb in his kitchen from materials he bought at Wal Mart without ever getting on the internet or coordinating with anyone else. Or if not him then to stop Hezbollah or Al Qaeda despite the fact they don't even use the internet to communicate operational plans?

Amerika... is there anything, I mean ANYTHING, you won't believe if the Gubment says it's true? You think this is supposed to stop Terrorism?

Economic collapse, massive environmental disasters and an inevitable confrontation with China in South China Sea and Taiwan all within the next decade on the horizon.

But you think this whole security infrastructure is just about a couple of dead ender idiots who want to kill Americans with bombs? Here's a good read:

How Rome Fell: Death of a Superpower

Thesis is that an ancient regime with no equal in power rotted from within owing to the increasing paranoia of the governing class and the belief that internal enemies where the greatest threat to the empire.

Jul. 01 2013 10:01 AM

Pretty sure I know why Snowden's been in Russia so long. The ex-KGB agents dropped Snowden's laptop while secreting it to their hidden airport headquarters in order to copy the hard drive. Then, after arranging for a repair job, for the last 7 days Continental/US Air has been bumping the TekServe guy from his flight, to make room for newer reservations for "broke" mainstream media reporters desperate to "cover the story!"

Jul. 01 2013 09:58 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

@hilts-

What did you expect from an inexperienced, ill-prepared "feel good" presidential choice who has grown remarkably little in 5 years in office?

If the liberal media wasn't so afraid of being labeling "racist" for any criticism....they would have held him more accountable and to standards of performance expected of past presidents.
And we would have a better, more skillful Barack Obama in mid-2013.

Jul. 01 2013 09:31 AM
hilts

The Snowden case like the BP oil spill represents a Costanza moment for Obama In both instances, Obama fumbled, stumbled, and bungled his way thru a crisis with a soaring level of befuddlement and incomparable impotence worthy of George Costanza.

There’s also something Seinfeldian about reports that the extradition request form sent to Hong Kong contained 2 head slapping dumb mistakes
All hail President Barack Costanza http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V2sBURgUBI

Jul. 01 2013 09:03 AM

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