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Sticky State

Wednesday, March 18, 2009

What makes a state a "magnet" and what makes it "sticky"? D'Vera Cohn of the Pew Research Center discusses a surprising new survey that shows that just 19% of adult New Yorkers were born in another state.

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Comments [56]

Tracy

As a person of color, and a young professional born and raised in NYC, I've observed a number of young professionals of all races moving into NYC (all over Manhattan, Park Slope, Astoria, Sunnyside), but many black families are moving out--if they can afford to do so. We just do not see a large black middle class here the way there is in Atlanta, Houston, and other parts of the South. I'm feeling a lot of pressure from family and friends to consider leaving the Big Apple. Many people feel like there is just no place for us here. I'm hanging in here, but Bloomberg's policies make it hard to ignore that the black community here is being reduced to the poorest of the poor.

Mar. 18 2009 04:37 PM
Kate

Scott A: she said that htey used Census data.

Mar. 18 2009 01:49 PM
Venezia from Brooklyn

I'm originally from Hamden, CT.

I've always heard "Nutmegger," but don't identify with it.

I have a suggestion: what about "ConnectiCUTEs" since we're all so good looking?

Mar. 18 2009 11:54 AM
greg gallagher from bklyn

Nutmeggers....CT was long called the Nutmeg state before it became the Constitution State.

Mar. 18 2009 11:47 AM
Matt DuBeau from Nyack, NY

I am a native Connecticutite.
I accept nutmegger, but that term was originally pejorative, and is short for "wooden nutmegger," Early Connecticut businessmen had a reputation for shrewd but shady business acumen, as a Connecticutite was likely sell you a wooden nutmeg.

Mar. 18 2009 11:41 AM
RA from CT

As a Mid-West transplant to CT from Misery (MO), I can't say what people call themselves here.

Nutmeggers is quite common as an informal name. Connecticutters probably the more formal name. I favor Connecticut Yankee.

Mar. 18 2009 11:38 AM
hjs from 11211

zak
Illinois,yes Michigan yes (for now but with auto industry no)
Ohio,and Missouri NO they are welfare states that i'm supporting
here's the map
http://www.taxfoundation.org/UserFiles/Image/Blog/ftsbs-large.jpg

on average my point stands

Mar. 18 2009 11:38 AM
Scott_A from Astoria

Maybe the discrepency is due to methedology?
Was this done door-to-door, or over telephone (land line)?

New Yorkers (esp. people who move here) differ from other areas of the country, in that we're less likely to have a land line instead of a non-listed cell phone. We're also less likely to be at home - more likely to be working, traveling to work, or using the "city as our living room."

(albeit a living room that costs $10 a drink, is likely to be below 50 deg with precipitation, and that often smells like urine)

Lastly, were the immigrants completely removed from the stats, or were they just merely not added to the count of the two important groups (those born here, and those who moved here.) If they were merely not added to one group or the other, you could have a scenario where group 1 has 40% and group 2 has %35, making them smaller than in other states (b/c there's this 25% of immigrants throwing things off). I'm guessing they didn't make so obvious of an error, but it's important for them to clarify when they talk about their project.

Mar. 18 2009 11:33 AM
Patrice from NYC

People from Connecticut are "Nutmeggers" !! Don't know why Brian didn't mention this one.
Connecticut has been known as The Nutmeg State for hundreds of years. When I grew up there, it was on our license plates.

Mar. 18 2009 11:33 AM
Jack

I like Connecticutian. Keep it!

Mar. 18 2009 11:31 AM
christine from new york, ny

As a native Nutmegger, I've never heard the term Connecticuter.

Mar. 18 2009 11:29 AM
E Malmon from Georgetown, CT

I always thought it was "WASPS".

Mar. 18 2009 11:29 AM
nancy from manhattan

I grew up in CT, and I've always said "Connecticutians" -- following "Lilliputians." that's my favorite.

Mar. 18 2009 11:27 AM
Dan Edelstein from Greenwich, CT

How about Connecticommuters? Connectikites?

Mar. 18 2009 11:27 AM
DANIEL from MANHATTAN

Brian,

My friend and I grew up in CONNECTICUT and call ourselves Connecti-CUTIES!

Mar. 18 2009 11:27 AM
Ian from Danbury

I'll go with Mark Twain.."Yankee"

Mar. 18 2009 11:26 AM
alon white from highland mills, new york

We always used nutmegger when I was living in Southeastern Connecticut and Central Connecticut. However, as a now proud New Yorker (I keep coming back), I don't think I'm entitled to a vote.

Mar. 18 2009 11:26 AM
caitlin from brooklyn

the new england rundown here:

massachussians are prone to the name masshole but if your not from massachussetts forget about the nomentclature. connecticut... connecticans; rhode island... rhode islanders, new hamshire... new hampshirites, vermont...vermontians, manie...maniacs

Mar. 18 2009 11:25 AM
Kyle T from Brooklyn via CT

I use the term Nutmegger.

Mar. 18 2009 11:25 AM
Scott_A from Astoria

My admitedly small sample is a odds with this survey.

My girlfriend and I moved to NYC about a year ago from Indiana and talked to my neighbors as I packed up the truck.

The neighbor to the left of me has a daughter who moved to NYC in the last 5yrs.

The neighbor to the right of me has a daughter who moved to NYC in the last 5yrs.

The neighbor across the street has a son who moved to NYC in the last 10yrs.

Mar. 18 2009 11:25 AM
Bill from Wilton

Last I looked the official term for a CT resident was "Nutmegger."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutmegger

Mar. 18 2009 11:24 AM
ted from manhattan

i've always called myself a "nutmegger," when i lived in CT. now i wuld call myself a former nutmegger.

Mar. 18 2009 11:24 AM
Brandon from Ridgefield, CT

Connecticutanians.

Mar. 18 2009 11:24 AM
fred from eatontown, nj

Bob and Ray always referred to them as Native Nutmeggers...

Mar. 18 2009 11:24 AM
antonio from park slope

There called ny'ers. They might as well be. I mean they have a metro-north stop for crying out loud..

Mar. 18 2009 11:24 AM
JG from NYC

How about Connecti-cuties?

Mar. 18 2009 11:23 AM
Joanna from Brooklyn

PLEASE NOT "Connecticut-teer."

NO.

Mar. 18 2009 11:23 AM
Andy from brooklyn

Connues.

Mar. 18 2009 11:23 AM
nick from brooklyn

connecticuticles

Mar. 18 2009 11:23 AM
Mike from Brooklyn

I was born and raised in Connecticut and I was hoping you were right about Connecticutians. Up until now I would always call myself a Connecticutter.

Mar. 18 2009 11:21 AM
Shelley from Brooklyn

Taking a page from the French I add the slur "con" to the end of Connecticut when referring to the people of that state, as in "What a sacré Connecticon!" I used to live in New Haven and know first-hand how odious a lot of Connecticons can be. Thank god I moved to Brooklyn!

Mar. 18 2009 11:21 AM
rachel from yonkers

Conneticuteers

Mar. 18 2009 11:20 AM
Mandy from Norwalk

I do hear Nutmeggers as a term for people who live in CT!

Mar. 18 2009 11:20 AM
Husky from Manhattan

Wikipedia lists demonyms for Connecticut as "nutmeggers" or "Connecticuter."

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Brendan from East Village

New York has New Yorkers.

Connecticut has Connecticutters.

Makes sense?

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Maggie from Queens

I grew up in Connecticut and I always called Connecticut natives Nutmegers.

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Alex from Brooklyn

As a native New Yorker and first generation citizen, I have very love/hate relationship with the city (like many others). I love the fact that I was raised here and certainly appreciate the diversity of background and character, but this city is also a very dismal place too (regarding the daily grind and climate). When people from elsewhere in the United States start invading the city and disguising themselves as New Yorkers and gentrifying (or vanilla-fying) unique cultural areas of city, new york dies a little inside. I feel like many native new yorkers feel somewhat out of place in their own homes these days. Personally, I've wished to leave for quite a while and hope to go California one day. At least its more relaxing there.

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Joanna from Brooklyn

I was born in Greenwich, grew up in Fairfield Cty and attended callege in New Haven; I usually just say "I'm from Connecticut" but I believe the correct term is nutmegger or maybe CT-er.

Or Connecticut-er? DEFINITELY NOT "connecticutian."

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Renata from NY

I found this on a google search:
According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter"

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Nick from Bronx

I grew up in CT and a friend of mine coined the phrase Connetian when referring to those who shared my lisence plate. Don't know how accurate it is, but it suck with me so now I point out Connetians (coneecians?) around the streets of NYC.

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Carrie from Maplewood

I'm not from Connecticut- but here's what Wikipedia has to say:
According to Webster's New International Dictionary, 1993, a person who is a native or resident of Connecticut is a "Connecticuter". There are numerous other terms coined in print, but not in use, such as: "Connecticotian"

You were almost right, Brian!

Mar. 18 2009 11:19 AM
Bob Brady from Riverside, CT

Connecticut "Yankee"

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
Tom from Williamsburg

Connecticans?

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
hjs from 11211

i would say Connecti-Cuts

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
david from manhattan


How do you treat people who leave their states and then return? Is that sticky? Magnetic?

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
Kim W.

Speaking as a former Connecticut resident: I believe that the most common name is "Nutmeggers". However, I've been collecting alternate names that I've come across -- my two favorites are "Connecticuties" and "Connecticutlery."

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
John from Norwalk

Brian,

I've lived my whole life in CT. I think "Nutmegers" is probably what your looking for.

Mar. 18 2009 11:18 AM
rick

yeah I don't know how useful this study is when it comes to new york...of course no one is moving upstate! and since immigrants from abroad aren't counted, we're going to rank low. 40% of the city is born out of the country. if 19% of the state is born elsewhere in the US that means about 4 million people. probably 3 million were born abroad....this is a good example of the uselessness of certain stats.

Mar. 18 2009 11:17 AM
Zak from Washington Heights

How is the Midwest an "unsustainable welfare state?"

Are you trying to tell me that Illinois, Ohio, Michigan and Missouri don't carry their weight of the tax burden? That's just coastal arrogance. I won't even get into the vaguely racist implications in your comment.

Mar. 18 2009 11:17 AM
Merrill from New York

What are the top states and percentages?
What are the bottom states and percentages?

Mar. 18 2009 11:16 AM
duane

brian is trying so hard to make his case; yes, single people come to NYC for higher education. this does not address the parents with children that seem to be leaving because of the high property tax, right?

Mar. 18 2009 11:15 AM
Deb from NYC

I work for one of the 40 nation-wide districts of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The other 39 districts transfer frequently and are always willing to move from district to district for a promotion or even for a change of scene, but NOBODY wants to move to NYC and NOBODY wants to leave NYC.

Mar. 18 2009 11:14 AM
Edward from NJ

It's relevant to point out that New York's larger population would push down the percentage of non-natives. It takes a lot more bodies to make up 20% of New York than 20% of Montana.

Mar. 18 2009 11:14 AM
hjs from 11211

and what percent of the people moving to the south are retired people looking for somewhere warm and cheap?

Mar. 18 2009 11:13 AM
Jill from UWS

Are the numbers referring only to adults or could they be skewed by a high birthrate of among new arrivals for example?

Mar. 18 2009 11:13 AM
hjs from 11211

as the last european-americans leave the economically unsustainable welfare state called the midwest I'd like my federal tax dollars to support this plan:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Commons
instead of keeping unviable states going

Mar. 18 2009 10:50 AM

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