Monday, June 17, 2013

Michael Joseph Gross talks about the first cyber-war, taking place now. He explains that America’s attempts to stop nuclear proliferation may have unleashed the greater threat of cyber-war. Gross writes in his article “Silent War,” in the July issue of Vanity Fair, that Washington and Tehran are ramping up their cyber-arsenals, enmeshing such high-tech giants as Microsoft, Google, and Apple.


Michael Joseph Gross

Comments [17]

Mike from Tribeca

I reread your comment and think I misunderstood it. Sorry about the hasty post.

Jun. 18 2013 12:06 PM
Mike from Tribeca

Lee from nyc -- I am in awe of your ability to connect Lenny's guest's vocal pauses to some kind of nefarious corporate "social programming." Yeesh.

And regrading your comment "Many authors with new books can count on the station to supply "free' publicity" -- You do realize that writers have to make a living, don't you?

Jun. 17 2013 01:13 PM
Tony from Canarsie

The recent "breaking news" about Microsoft providing the feds with the coding of their updates has been public knowledge for years.

Jun. 17 2013 12:53 PM
jf from the future

Someone needs to steal a million dollars for every single person on earth.
This would literally fix every problem there is in an exponential fashion.

Jun. 17 2013 12:50 PM
Lee from nyc

Joan et al, it's not just you. The excruciatingly long pauses between "thoughts" are bizarrely like buffering silences in online streaming. The guest is actually dramatically pausing in real time, as if he had something of grave importance to say. But when the idea or phrase arrives, it's sometimes not worth articulating, much less waiting for.

That kind of thing seems to happen increasingly these days, probably because WNYC doesn't really curate most of its guests. Instead, they're fed into the programming by the media, publishing, and publicity concerns that the station is in bed with. Many authors with new books can count on the station to supply "free" publicity. So much for the "independent" voice in "public" broadcasting. So much for guests who engage in thoughtful, high-quality thinking and communicating.

Jun. 17 2013 12:48 PM
John A

Not mentioned that I've heard is anonymous. There are (also) a few virtual "Ruby Ridges"s in our future as well.

Jun. 17 2013 12:42 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Back in the late 1980s I worked in Israel for a company that produced SCADA (Supervisory Control And Data Acquisition) software that interface with Programmable Logic Controllers (PLCs) that are today used in almost all industrial machinery in almost every factory. So I wouldn't be surprised if some of the young, bright software developers I once worked alongside with might have been involved in the creation of Stuxnet which was used to invade those Siemens PLC's that control the centrifuges used in the Iranian nuclear program. Israel has been at the forefront of internet developments as well. But Iran is catching up fast.

Jun. 17 2013 12:42 PM
Amy from Manhattan

I think the progression of cyber-attacks is more like the illustration of a caveman walking & going through a several stages until the last one is a modern human than like nesting dolls. It's an evolutionary process.

Jun. 17 2013 12:32 PM
A.M. from Greenpoint

This guest needs coaching about how not to waste precious air time with roundabout locutions, needless um's and uhs's, and generally bizarre phlegmatics. He sells his info and insights short by sounding young, self-focused, and unprepared (though his content reveals he's pretty well-prepared).

Jun. 17 2013 12:31 PM
joan from Brooklyn

Is it just me or is this guy just stating the obvious and doing it inarticulately? There are too many talking heads in the world, I think.

Jun. 17 2013 12:29 PM
Amy from Manhattan

India has a lot of cyber-experts. Does it have many hackers? Is there any evidence that India has a program of cyber-attacks, maybe against Pakistan?

Jun. 17 2013 12:29 PM
jgarbuz from Queens


We are in FULL cyber war with Iran already, just you and most people, including the guest, are clueless about it. Now China and others are only interested in stealing secrets, but Iran and we are into trying to destroy each others financial and industrial infrastructures. The war is on, John, whether you and most people are oblivious to it or not.

Jun. 17 2013 12:27 PM
John A

When full cyberwar breaks out, jgarbuz is gonna lose his ?PSlive? and all the gen y's will lose, well, basically everything. So, that war is a good thing?

Jun. 17 2013 12:20 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Of course Iran is going to attack the banks, industry and infrastructure because we are at war with Iran, and have imposed harsh sanctions on them for good reasons. But of course they can and are striking back. We are at war, but only not directly militarily, as we were with the USSR back in the Cold War. No biggie to figure out.

Jun. 17 2013 12:18 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Iran consists of 80 million well-educated, brilliant people, just like Germany, France and Britain, and they can figure it out. Iran is no different than any European or Asian country in terms of technical "smarts" and capabilities, and with or without outside help, they can figure it out. If that were not the case, Iran would be no threat to anybody.

Jun. 17 2013 12:15 PM
tom from astoria


It's all too perfect that Snowden's "revelations" came on top of the summit in California where President Obama was pressing the Chinese leader on Cyber theft of our military secrets. Hes IN CHINA, and revealing US spying on Chinese, now embarrassing us at the G8 summit. In this case it seems Chinese revenge is swift and effective!

Jun. 17 2013 12:14 PM
jgarbuz from Queens

Cyber war is still better than regular war. But it is war. And we are in it. Israel and the US attacked the Iranian nuclear facilities with Stuxnet, and today Iran is attacking Israel and the US with its own cyber weapons software. It's the new form of warfare and we have to accept it as a fact of life, and we must be on top of it.

Jun. 17 2013 12:12 PM

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