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Lane Filler, columnist and editorial board member for Newsday, discusses whether combatting prostitution should be a priority for Nassau County.
It's all about the secrecy--not the sex. If one needs to pay for sex, and its the only way one can acquire a satisfying sexual experience; well, then, that's a uniquely personal issue. However, if one needs to hide it, then it becomes an issue for everyone involved! Especially considering the multitudes of potentially harmful repurcussions, i.e., disease/health, emotional/psychological, safety/legality/morality, not to mention family embarrassment. Not sure if legalizing protects or exacerbates... I just know its presumptuous of anyone to act in such a manner without first considering the consequences to ALL involved. Posting info prior to conviction is damaging on so many levels. However, once convicted, is another story. And those who selfishly engaged should've thought before they acted--because, whether or not you got caught, is not the issue--the fact remains, you were engaging in illicit and potentially harmful activity and thereby putting so many at risk and hurting all involved--including yourself! To those whose lives have been shattered by this, my heart breaks for the innocent.
I'm surprised not to hear that list of other consequences of prostitution include transmission of sexually transmitted diseases--which can be passed along to a partner who is faithful to someone who isn't.
I just question the assertion that this is some kind of "new" strategy. Law enforcement has been targeting johns since the 70's and running sting operations like this for the same amount of time. I can't understand how anyone would believe that this was an original idea.
Although I like the fact that the DA is going after prostitution equally - meaning prosecuting men and women when too often only women go to jail (i.e. see the Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal). But its time to legalize this vice.
I was really thrilled to hear about Nassau County's aggressive offensive against Johns. There is such an "old boy's network" mentality in many men, including the reporter on the show, an law enforcement, which they seem virtually unaware of. They identify with the John's wish to go to a prostitute, and ignore the fact that doing so is also a crime, and half the problem. It's the demand side. We arrest people who purchase drugs, not just the drug dealers. As long as we're blind to the impulse to protect one party in a criminal transaction with all kinds of rationalizations, we're not serious about doing anything about the problem. It'ws easy to go after the women; they're devalued anyway. As for a duty to protect the wife and children - that's the John's responsibility; he should be thinking about how his behavior will affect his life, career, and family. So many glib and naive comments on this website about "sex workers", as if it's all just another career choice. We're dealing here on the whole with women and chilren who are forced into prostitution by pimps, by their own drug addiction, and fueled by a huge sex trafficking industry. To me, protecting the Johns is like the blanket tolerance of rape in the military, where the women are marginalize and the commanders go to great lengths to protect, not prosecute, the predators, whose crimes they minimize.
EdK: hahaha what the heck are you talking about? Defensive?
On a level playing field if men and women were offering ther "services" without fear of trafficking, pimps, and other dangers, that's fine. However, a sudden legal designation of prostitution would be problematic for a lot of women currently trapped in certain situations.
Nobody cares if you place a Craigslist ad offering dinner and a shopping trip to someone in need.
Thank you, Hazel. If I was caught purchasing over 25 grams of marijuana, I'd be in trouble. We can advocate for legalization, but for now it's still a crime. We can also debate legalization of prostitution (which often is more complicated than a consentual sexual transaction), but while it's illegal, the johns should be treated in a manner consistent to both prostitutes and drug buyers.
JM: I am not sure if you wil see this from your loftily position. But something tells me you are the "Eliot Spitzer" of this forum ...Don't need you to teach me about maturity . have you looked at your OWN life lately? I bet if I did I can show just how much of a Spitzer you and everyone else is .......
There lots of corruption in Nassau County, dose the esteemed DA go after that. No of coarse not. She is part of the corruption.
EK: or just have a regular grown-up sexual relationship with no cash exchange. But I guess that would require maturity.
How am I going to get in trouble with my wife? I am not married ! I take more risk geting involved with so called "regular people" when I think of all the times my female partners have abused me and my relationship...
Keep your judgements to your selves
Appears to be a lot of men commenting. That's interesting.
Here's the thing: if I'm buying drugs or pot from someone on the street, and the police arrest the dealer, what happens to me? Do you the police just let me, the drug buyer, go? I doubt it. Why should this be any different? And quit boo-hooing about "innocent" men's photo being published before they've been convicted. Unfortunately, innocent people being publicly accused of a crime happens all the time. Ask Salaheddin Barhoum and Yassine Zaimi who are suing the NY Post, hopefully back to the stone age.
Grow up guys and take responsibility.
Getting into people’s sexual lives, between consenting adults where no real crime is committed shows you how childish America is. Also, lots of municipalities are corrupt and DA’s create their political careers off nonsense harassment cases.There is real crime in Nassau County.
So the guest says that it's OK to ruin the reputation of innocent people because "it happens all the time"? Great position for an esteemed newspaper's editorial board - since when do two wrongs make a right? How about having the paper publish the exoneration as prominently as it publishes the original but false accusation?
Yes, this country should reconsider publicizing arrests before conviction. But here, publicizing the LOW-LEVEL arrests of people before conviction is a matter of POLICY.
If prostitution is illegal, all involved parties should be equally prosecuted. The (mostly) women tend to take the fall for the pimps and johns. Why should the johns be protected?
Tip to potential solicitors: There are police girls out in Washington Heights right now around the bus station.
Police wil not be explicit. A undercover cop will not remove all clothes, an undercover female cop will have a bearing and manor that fails to cover her deep seated belief that she is in authority. Always ask and state " Are you trying to get me to do something illegal? state firmly "I do not want to do any thing illegal"bring a voice recorder and tape everything ... that will usually discourage cops that are TRYING To get you to do something illegal. Your sexual desires are not necessarily wrong, immoral or illegal. Entrapment which this is no matter how they try to justify this is immoral. Always state clearly that you are not and will not offer money for a sex act .. if they "dont want to waste time" they are a cop looking for easy victims..
But it's ok for "slaves" to make our ipads and H&M clothes?
Stings like this will only push sex work underground and does not help rescue exploited sex workers.
Legalize sex work!!!
Would the guest comment on the Dutch experience with legalized prostitution? My understanding is that it was a complete failure, women were still victimized, and the only result was that violent pimps suddenly became legitimate businessman. One of the commenters brought up Israel as an example- that country has an enormous human trafficking problem.
By publicizing the johns, they are adding victims (the johns' wives, kids, etc) to what could be a victimless crime and shouldn't be a crime at all. Yes, sex trafficking must be stopped, but consenting adults should be left alone. If money changes hands, fine. Tax it--NYC needs the money
The country is so morally compromised at this point there will soon be no more legislators left to understand the need for these laws. Look at the comments here. - To the onair, would legalizing prostitution eliminate underage prostitution? Can anyone seriously believe that simplemindedness?
How funny! And it's not even April 1. Should WNYC bring back the "John Hour"?
Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. LOL.
do they have violent pimps in holland?
How ridiculous Americans are. So bloody Puritanical. Make prostitution legal to take it out of the shadows and away from trafficers and criminals. Americans want to make a war on everything pleasurable. Ridiculous...
Criminalizing sex work continues to be an idiotic misuse of public funds and manpower. Sex work should be legal. Of course underage prositution and sex slavery should be illegal, but consenting adults should be able to sell and purchase sex, just as they are able to sell and purchase any other physical service. And nothing is wrong with having, or paying for, sex and people should not be shamed or jailed for doing so.
Unmarried people should have the right to have sex without legal entanglements. There is NO reason why prostitution should not be perfectly legal, albeit regulated and taxed.
Are we in Alabama ? Nassau has money to pay moral police? Where's the crime?
Why is prostitution still illegal in this country? It's legal in many countries, including Israel. There's nothing un-Biblical about it. There is nothing unconstitutional about it. It is an ancient way for unmarried women to survive. Pimping, however should NOT be legal, and isn't in many countries where prostitution is legal. It should be an individual affair, not an organized business which means "white slavery." Pimping and soliciting should be illegal, but prostitution should be totally legal and regulated. I don't see why not.
Look, johns absolutely must be put on blast. But it is unjust to publicly shame (or log the DNA of) arrested people who have not been convicted.
What if the DA releases a suspect's pic, ruins the person's life, and later the person is found to be innocent? Too late. Huge lawsuit- payable by the taxpayers, not the DA.
We should do the same thing the British do when someone is arrested- do not identify them to the public unless and until they are convicted after going through the legal processes.
So we want to legalize drugs( cause a lot of people smoke weed these days) but we do not legalize "prostitution" ? Now we end up with righteous hypocrites like Eliot Spitzer and a lot more that have not been found out yet prosecuting and partaking at the same time. How can we not feel like idiots to continue this? These so called sex crimes are victimless when performed between consenting, empowered, and protected adults, as many people that so called buy and sell sexuality do so willingly and should have the right to do so ... these relationships exist on many levels.I have met and known so called prostitutes for the past 30 years . I started out interested in the sociology and anthropology of human sexuality. The whole phenomena is no more evil, exploitative and demeaning as any other aspect of life in civilization and capitalist economics. Meaning : case by case it is depends on the people involved and the society in general. Every single argument against these relationships not unlike those argued against homosexual marriage can be made against every institution that is supposed to be legitimate in our society be it religion, employment , politics and yes .. family. People who lack respect and love for others can take the most "sacred " of things and turn it into a nightmare. If you think the institution of religion rises above prostitution (which was done in the temples in ancient Sumeria under the female God Innana) think about all the sexual scandals and violent history people of "pure" hearts commit and have committed .
A little "filler" segment for this morning's show, Brian?;-)
When will government learn? It's 2013 and arresting an adult for responding to an ad ostensibly placed by another adult for a "private" encounter, is a waste of time and tax-payers' money.
These men aren't going to get husband/father of the year awards from me but how does publicly shaming them BEFORE they are even convicted help anyone, much less their wives and kids?
Most importantly, how many pimps were arrested and their "sex slaves" liberated by this sting?
Mrs. Rice, in her failed bids for state-wide office, is starting to run out of ideas at her Nassau gig. Perhaps it's time for her to move on.
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