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Hate Crimes in the Village

Friday, May 24, 2013

Kai Wright, editorial director of Colorlines, Nation contributor and author of Drifting Toward Love: Black, Brown, Gay, and Coming of Age on the Streets of New York (Beacon Press, 2009) talks about the spate of anti-gay violence in the West Village, considered the home of the gay rights movement.

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Comments [30]

Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

PLEASE....Eric Holder should be in jail and the "big tent" doesn't include stories about the Obama misbehaviors.

If this was a Republican President, the BLS would be all-scandal-all-the-time.

May. 25 2013 08:37 AM
kevin

it's a big tent of issues,marty-c. get a life,or please grow some decency.

May. 24 2013 06:49 PM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Nice job today avoiding the thug Barry Obama's corrupt political scandals.

Lois Lerner was actively involved in the smearing of opposition groups.
ACTIVELY!!

Arrest Eric Holder.
IMPEACH OBAMA.

May. 24 2013 04:30 PM
RubyNYC from New York

CONFUSION ABOUNDS. While it is generally agreed that American Blacks and Gays share common ground when it comes to Civil Rights, it is wrong to link the Trans-Atlantic slave trade wtih Identity politics. And it is debatable whether "Gays have no history of hurting anyone, they just want to be left alone." Some scholars associate the "broad path" that Jesus warned about with the beaten path to and from the Roman Colosseum, which dripped with homosexual villains, victims and volunteers. Many women privately express fears about uneven male/female ratios and sexual practices. I WISH WE COULD SLOW DOWN!

May. 24 2013 02:45 PM

It appears that my post on Chuck Tarver has been removed.

Since the guest made a point of identifying himself as Black in addition to gay, I found it appropriate to point-out the writings of someone who shares those characteristics but has a considerably different perspective: Chuck Tarver.

May. 24 2013 12:03 PM

**DISCLAIMERS (that shouldn't be necessary but have proven to be):
1.) Nothing I post should be taken as implying any kind of sanction or justification of the type of violence and murder that the segment was about.

2.) Quoting and citing does not necessarily equate to /endorsement/ or even /agreement/-- certainly not _complete_ agreement.

While I do have considerable appreciation and respect for the individuals/sites/groups I am quoting here, I also have considerable differences as well.**

May. 24 2013 11:45 AM
The Truth from Becky

Same here Jesiah...we agree to disagree on this one. I respect your comments.

May. 24 2013 11:21 AM
Jesiah from Upstate

Hahahaha! It was a pleasure @Becky

May. 24 2013 11:12 AM
The Truth from Becky

Done. Like talking to a wall.

May. 24 2013 11:09 AM
The Truth from Becky

Excuse me, his or her comment.

May. 24 2013 11:06 AM
Jesiah from Upstate NY

@Becky...That's not what i said at all. I think your missing the point of this whole conversation. I stated that gay discrimination may be experienced in different ways within different subgroups of people. (ie. whites, blacks, browns etc.)

In fact, your first comment brought the issue of race into the conversation so I don't understand your phrase , "don't make this about race."

I think your argument is completely irrelevant to this conversation, we are not talking about whether "gays" and "black and browns" are the same group. I think if you have a brain and are a fairly rational person you came to that conclusion a long time ago on your own.

May. 24 2013 11:06 AM
The Truth from Becky

Yes, What Independent said, exactly. No element of race in his comment, just fact.

May. 24 2013 11:05 AM

It must be noted that there are more than a few *homosexual* individuals who reject and resent being lumped-in with what "*gay*"-- as represented by the signature "pride" events-- has become largely synonymous with:

A culture characterized by inordinate promiscuity, effeminacy/ "camp" shtick and a particular (pseudo-)sex act that is manifestly gruesome, dangerous, defying of basic anatomical and physiological realities, and inherently brutal and degrading.

Such homosexual dissidents include:

-Rob McGee ( funfrotfacts.blogspot.com , throbert.blogspot.com ) who says of himself, "I'm a total homo with no apologies, but please don't call me gay because its a stupid word and an even stupider subculture".

-Bill Weintraub, Luke Shelton, Chuck Tarver and others:
http://man2manalliance.org/ (WARNING: Assume ALL linked-pages to contain sexually explicit imagery-- not only those marked as such.)

May. 24 2013 11:00 AM
The Truth from Becky

So by your logic JESIAH are you telling me this is not a struggle inclusive of gay whites?! Don't make this about race, I am trying to REMOVE the racial element from the argument.

May. 24 2013 10:59 AM
The Truth from Becky

HELLO THERE IN GAYTOWN, I will say it loud, A) Never said I was Black B) Never said I didn't empathize, I SAID BEING GAY IS NOT SYNONYMOUS WITH BEING, BLACK OR BROWN OR RED OR YELLOW...it is a struggle on it's own merit.

May. 24 2013 10:53 AM
Amy from Manhattan

Josiah, I'm glad you said that--I was trying to think of a good way to put it.

Becky, homosexuals (the standard term then) *were* targeted & murdered in the Holocaust, along w/Gypsies, people w/physical or mental handicaps, & Jews.

May. 24 2013 10:52 AM
Jesiah from Upstate NY

@Becky...So if its not about that...then why are you so offended about the topic of Gays and Black/Browns being aligned together?

A lot of these issues are coincided together in ways that different groups of people (ie. blacks and browns) experience gender and sexual orientation discrimination in different ways, which is what I think the author is trying to point out. Its not about leveling the struggles as the same or competing, its about understanding how race and color impact gay discrimination.

May. 24 2013 10:50 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

@TOM-

Please spare us with the supposed increase in attacks on muslims. (Numbers, please!)
Are you making an analogy with gays??!!!!! Really???!!
LOL, ironic given the homophobia of Islam.
Gays have no history of hurting anyone, they just want to be left alone.
Muslims have MANY blood drenched nuts among them and have a history of slaughter (including persecution of gays).
It's an insulting comparison.

May. 24 2013 10:48 AM
The Truth from GayTown from NYC

@The Truth from Becky
The gay rights struggle is the FREEDOM struggle and it's sickening to think that as a woman of color, as yourself, doesn't have the ability to empathize with other groups' oppression and struggle to FREEDOM.
Grow up woman!

May. 24 2013 10:47 AM
The Truth from Becky

FYI Jesiah...NEVER said more or less important struggle, discrimination is discrimination, no one issue is more or less important ALL tragic however...Holocaust and Slavery go together, NOT Gay and Black and Brown or white.

May. 24 2013 10:46 AM
Lee from NYC

The woman who called to speak about how we are 'ALMOST" heterosexual is right on the money!
So sick of the 'Modern Family'-ization of gays

May. 24 2013 10:43 AM
The Truth from Becky

HJS11211 - you tell me! I am not a perpetrator of hate so I don't know. Does your question even make sense, stop looking to antogonize without making sense.

FYI....the Black Brown reference comes from the topic header above, read.

May. 24 2013 10:42 AM
Amy from Manhattan

I hope Mr. Wright can recognize that saying "people" don't like a certain group (in his case, transsexuals/transgenders) defines that group as not being included in "people."

And yes, the response to Mark Carson's murder is encouraging, but there were at least 2 cases of beatings of gay men in the weeks before it. *Now* police are talking about increasing their presence in "gay-friendly" neighborhoods. Why, so often, does someone have to die before anything is done?

May. 24 2013 10:41 AM
Jesiah from Upstate ny

Civil rights movements should not be compared to each other as being "more" or "less" important in their struggle. The fact of the matter that the gay rights movement is similar to what you call "black and brown" in that it's about people being discriminated against because of who they are. They are not entirely the same but should not be measured as more or less important.

May. 24 2013 10:40 AM
Robert from NYC

He's absolutely right, gay attacks don't have ups and downs, we're constantly being attacked and approached everywhere even in the Village. To say there's been a spike lately is nonsense. It's been going on at the same rate constantly for-ever, really. The Stonewall riots were riots against police harassment not gay attackers, well if you consider the police attackers as gay attackers then there you are!

May. 24 2013 10:40 AM

Becky
what color is hate?

May. 24 2013 10:40 AM
Tom

The issue of attacks on the LGBT community is important in its own right, but it must also be noted that they fall into a larger context of attacks based on identity. Attacks on Muslims have soared since 9/11. Numerous attacks on mosques and on individuals. Sadly, a lot of the political community concerned with identity-motivated attacks have failed, badly, to address this. The management of the LGBT Center in the West Village was strongly and rightly criticized for its failures in this regard recently. Also, when we consider the larger issues of identity, we must include the attacks by NYC police and Mayor Bloomberg on the black community through the blanket immunity they grant cops who kill. Until recent years, the NYPD had a deplorable history of discounting or just ignoring reports of attacks on the LGBT community. These issues are all of a piece.

May. 24 2013 10:39 AM
The Truth from Becky

gay = sexual preference, same gender relationship
Black, Hispanic, White = Nationality, Ancestry -does NOT indicate a sexual preference.

May. 24 2013 10:37 AM
The Truth from Becky

I am offended that gay is continuously aligned with Black & Brown. It is NOT the same, the struggle is NOT the same.

May. 24 2013 10:35 AM
Contra from NYC

contrast the coverage this shooting incident has gotten with all the other shootings in the city. This one overshadowed the others by far. The NYTimes actually covered this one, too.

May. 24 2013 09:57 AM

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