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There's a movement to reimagine Penn Station.Vin Cipolla, president of the Municipal Art Society, talks about the push for a redesign of the station and what would happen to Madison Square Garden.
What was done to the original Penn Station is a historical injustice from a dark time in the history on NY. Madison Square Garden can be moved, Penn Station cannot. Penn Station cannot function in its expected capacity being buried under an ugly sports arena. The arena should be relocated so a proper Penn Station can be built. The new Penn Station should combine the look of the original with modern sensibilities like exposing the platforms to light the terminal, and view from all levels. The past must not be forgotten, but not impede the future.
In the meantime, as in the next 10-15 years, when is Moynihan Station opening? When is Amtrak moving over there? Because if & when it does that actually will create a lot of space for LIRR & NJ Transit riders.
If you think limiting MSG's permit is a good idea, please sign the petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/we-want-a-better-penn-station-no-long-term-permit-for-msgthank you
Most of these comments have nothing about the most important part... how to pay for it!!!Brian -what kind of journalism is this?
I agree with the previous comments. I don't see how limiting the duration of MSG's permit will improve the situation. MSG's permit for that location should not be renewed, period. MSG can move to (or near) the Javits Center, and can contribute to a restoration of a functional and aesthetic Penn Station.
Seems like this discussion has been had for the past 50 years.
Really make the loss of the Old Penn Station that much more sad, know that we had such a beautiful palace dedicated to travel and demolished it for what we have now.
Penn Station Stinks!
Why do we need yet another arena in NYC when Barclay's just opened? Are we really going to have to deal with all that surrounded that arena in Manhattan. I think not!
No, no, no! I want to be able to walk up the majestic steps of the old Post Office on tax day, it's just not the same if it's some nondescript dumpy regular post office. Keep the post office where it is. Nobody looks around in Penn Station, anyway. People are either rushing to their train or stuffing popcorn and ice cream in their mouths. What do we need to throw pearls to swine for?
OH so the plan is save the farley building for the rich guys. Great
What about taking over 31st street and making a large glass enclosure there to replace Penn Station's main hall?
Isn't it amusing how large publicly-held companies that own sports teams DON'T want to be singled out for business deals when the deals cost them money.
And yet these very same large publicly-held companies that own sports teams LOVE to be singled out when getting tax benefits for their terrific civic works that deserve all kinds of tax credits.
Isn't that rich.
Penn Station has perhaps the ugliest interior in NYC and Madison Square Garden the ugliest exterior. Demolish them both and build something better.
Penn Station is a disaster. not only is it ugly, it is incredibly ineffective as a transit hub. this is particularly true for NJ transit, where it is incredibly difficult to access platforms - the doors to the platforms are small and heavy, there are very few points to access the platform, and platforms are announced at the last minute which results in overwhelming crowding and ultimately people missing trains in rush hour because they can't actually get to the platform! This place needs to be done over completely.
I recently traveled to both Paris and London for the first time and used public transportation in both cities. I live and NJ and only use the subway occasionally, but was immediately able to travel in both cities, figure out transfers from both bus and subway, schedules, with no problem at all. I used the trains and subways this past Saturday and I have to say the difference between systems is striking. The stations in Europe were better lit, with plenty of signs to figure out where to go. Major stations, especially St. Pancras-Kings Cross was inviting, easy to use. Penn Station is horrible, almost depressing, you feel like getting out of there as soon as possible. I would say look at St Pancras-Kings Cross as a model.
I, for one, do not understand why Penn Station/MSG need to be moved or separated in any way. As a matter of fact, MSG benefits from having Penn under it because they get so many commuters in for games and events and no one even has to walk outside in the rain, snow, etc.
Moving MSG means knocking down something else, which will require a million public hearings as no matter where they go, they'll be knocking down someone's home. Moving Penn Station is likely going to destroy the classic Post Office building.
My opinion is that everyone does everything purely for profit and logistics and common sense never enter into the considerations at all. What a shame!
what happened to using the Farley Post Office building
Level or put madison square garden in the hudson river (sauce for the goose) to make way for a new park. I commute via penn every day and I'd love to a have grand park that would encompass some trolleys or light rails that would ease the congestion around there, and then totally refit the post office for new pen station!
We can't just put lipstick on a pig here. We can't throw away billions more dollars on a project like the WTC Path transit center that is pretty, but doesn't solve the transit problems of today & the future. No plan should be approved that doesn't increase train capacity.
My dream? Actual regional commuter rail. Connect NJ Transit w/ LIRR w/ Metro North. No more idling trains taking up platforms: Trains go from NJ to Penn to Grand Central and points beyond without needing to transfer.
"Only arena on top of a transit hub"? What about Barclay's Center? Doesn't Brooklyn count?!!
Why don't they try to right a wrong, and recreate the torn-down Penn Station in some form, just like they have tried to recreate the Trade Center in a sense with the Freedom Tower. I thought the GPO across the the street was going to be used - I will miss it, but it's probably nicer than anything we are capable of building in our now almost universally tasteless architecture.
Here's a simple fix:
The Dolan Family, which owns CableVision and build Madison Square Garden, should rebuild Penn Station from scratch.
We might then get a station that rivals the one they knocked down, the transit hub could be tip top in layout and organization, and we would still get the Knicks and Rangers as we have them.
Shouldn't cost more than a Trillion Dollars or so.
This used to be a beautiful site like Grand Central and now it is a dump. It needs to be totally redone. It is dark, humid, dirty, crowded and unwelcoming to tourists, so please please have it redone.
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