Joe the Recycler

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Van Jones, founder and president of Green for All, co-founder of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, and the author of The Green Collar Economy talks about green collar jobs and how they can not only save the planet, but our economy.


Van Jones

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Interesting show. However, one significant concern that I have, and this is based on listening to Van Jones, the This American Life crew reporting on the economic collapse, "Club For Growth" boosters like Steve Moore is this:
+In 10 years, the caulking gun toting "Joe the Recycler" with a high school degree and 2 years of community college will still only be earning $12 per hour at "Wal-Mart Energy Inc". His kids, who were born at "Walton Maternity Suites" will get some sort of chronic illness. Joe's "Walt-Care" health insurance with it's $5,000 deducible will push him into needing another exploding rate home equity loan from "Emirates Mortages" and foreclosure will be just another dislocated elbow away.
Yeah, alot of wealth was created in the last 30 years but for all the "Joe the ......whatevers" of America,income has been flat, flat, flat!!!!
Only a program / process that fixes the living wage issue deserves to be truly called "sustainable".

Oct. 22 2008 11:02 AM

Van is spot on with his arguments. Unfortunately, the people who have made enormous profits from our current oil-based economy will fight these ideas tooth-and-nail until they find a way to make them profitable for themselves first.

Oct. 21 2008 12:24 PM
mary ellen from brooklyn

This is a shout out for Con Ed Solutions...

I've used 100% wind power for electric for a few years now. Because I set it up in mid-October, I was lucky to lock into the lowest rates for the year, and last summer when everyone was paying 20 cents per kilowatt hour, I was paying 16 cents and the AC was 100% guilt free.

Oct. 21 2008 11:33 AM
Inquiring Minds

(just finished a prayer that this post isn't deleted)

As a part of the Great Leap Forward, leader Mao Zedong decided that China would -- among other things -- become the leading producer of steel.

from wikipedia, Great Leap Forward:
"Huge efforts on the part of peasants and other workers were made to produce steel out of scrap metal. To fuel the furnaces the local environment was denuded of trees and wood taken from the doors and furniture of peasants' houses. Pots, pans, and other metal artifacts were requisitioned to supply the "scrap" for the furnaces so that the wildly optimistic production targets could be met. Many of the male agricultural workers were diverted from the harvest to help the iron production as were the workers at many factories, schools and even hospitals. Although the output consisted of low quality lumps of pig iron which was of negligible economic worth... ...he found out that high quality steel could only be produced in large scale factories using reliable fuel such as coal. However he decided not to order a halt to the backyard steel furnaces so as not to dampen the revolutionary enthusiasm of the masses. The program was only quietly abandoned much later in that year."

Now i will pray that history doesn't repeat!

Oct. 21 2008 11:29 AM
mark Brown from AND

# 5
We need INCENTIVES to START to prime the pump

We need 3 things:

1) infrastructure (including like van said; HOME rebuilding...)

2) job retraining for the unemployed/underclass

3) go green (listen to Terry Gross for 10/20/08)

These are all interconnected, just like at my blog

search there for energy and finance

Oct. 21 2008 11:25 AM
dbryan from brooklyn

I really think van jones' ideas about a green economy combined with michael pollan's ideas about solar agriculture vs. fossil-fuel agriculture are the keys to America's future...

Oct. 21 2008 11:25 AM
mark Brown from AND

Gee Brian.

I am so disapointed in you, and your staff.

I discuss this in my blog here:

What I say is that we NEED a National Training program

This is inter-twined in what I say HERE about creating a national infrastructure program ( a new Manhattan project here)

Essentially I say the same thing, we need to Build, start to PUMP the economy, and then let the population be REBUILT and retrained.

These ideas came about over two years ago

mark brown

Oct. 21 2008 11:22 AM
Inquiring Minds

yet another bad idea..."underwriting risk"

most of these technologies have poor EROEI (energy return on energy invested)

ethanol a great example: the energy returned is about what is put in

yet, politicians got taxpayers SUBSIDY for ethanol

get/keep the government out of this market!

Oct. 21 2008 11:21 AM
Nancy Sadler from Brooklyn

Yes Yes Yes!
Someone is finally making sense!

Oct. 21 2008 11:19 AM

If this is such a great idea, why isn't Mr. Jones starting a company to profit from this very easy, simple idea that clearly only a complete moron can't understand (sarcasim dripping)

Oct. 21 2008 11:18 AM
Inquiring Minds

@1 oilmonkey

spot on!

too, it is downright frightening that the guest believes that the new president should just ram this down everyones' throats with executive power!

governments' reactions to crises tends to make them worse, not better...history is a b**ch.

Oct. 21 2008 11:18 AM

I like Van Jones and his ideas, but he fails to address the limits of growth we are facing. I fear he is a part of the initial inflation of the newest bubble (the green-energy bubble) engineered to recover from the housing bubble, which was engineered to recover from the dotcom bubble.

Oct. 21 2008 11:13 AM

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