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Boston Manhunt Updates

Friday, April 19, 2013

Boston is on lock-down this morning as police continue to hunt for the 2nd suspect in the Boston marathon bombings. Overnight, the two suspects killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt. One suspect was killed, the surviving Boston bombing suspect has been identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

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Comments [32]

Alan from Manhattan

@David from Fredericksburg, VA

It was in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshihiro_Hattori

"After the trial, Peairs told the press that he would never again own a gun.

"The Japanese people were shocked not only by the killing, but by Peairs's acquittal. Shortly after the Hattori case, a Japanese exchange student, Takuma Ito, and a Japanese-American student, Go Matsura, were killed in a carjacking in San Pedro, California, and another Japanese exchange student, Masakazu Kuriyama was shot in Concord, California. Many Japanese reacted to these deaths as being similar symptoms of a sick society; TV Asahi commentator Takashi Wada put the feelings into words by asking, 'But now, which society is more mature? The idea that you protect people by shooting guns is barbaric.'"

--quoted from the Wikipedia article

Apr. 19 2013 12:30 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

DIY News vs NPR from NYC, yo...

Great links.

I would add that anyone who "likes" Tamerlans videos should be objects worthy of serious investigation.

Apr. 19 2013 12:24 PM
DIY News vs NPR from NYC, yo.

This is the youtube account of Tamerlan Tsnaev (one of the Boston bombers): http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah If you watch the videos he liked and shared, you will get some insight into what was on his mind. It seems to me that the video "The Emergence of Prophecy" may be of special interest, but the great thing about seeing his account is that you can interpret it for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/user/muazseyfullah

Also of interest: THE ULTIMATE MUHAMMAD AL-LUHAIDAN VIDEO

Apr. 19 2013 12:19 PM
Edward from Washington Heights AKA pretentious Hudson Heights

The father of the two marathon bomb terrorists should be investigated too.

I hope "roseellen", past commenter is being investigated by the NYPD. Her past comments justify attacks.

Apr. 19 2013 12:13 PM
David from Fredericksburg, VA

@ Alan from Manhattan

I believe that was in Texas. It legal to use lethal force on anyone on your property after dark in Texas. (Could be why I've never been there!)

Apr. 19 2013 12:07 PM
David from Fairfield CT

I see we are ready to pawn these 2 off as foreign terrorists. Its my understanding that these men have been living in the U.S. since they were boys. One was 7 years old when he emigrated. They are as American as 'apple pie'. Should'nt the question be what happened in their up bringing since 2002 to lead to this?

Apr. 19 2013 12:03 PM
Alan from Manhattan

To the caller who attempted to rationalize the possession of AK 15's or 47's: A few years ago, a man in Louisiana heard a prowler on his property and shot him to death. He killed a high school exchange student from Japan who was Halloweein'ing. You can create all the scenarios you like, but people are not only prone to error, they--we--make them, big and small, every day.

Apr. 19 2013 12:03 PM

Aren't these guys still "suspects?" How do we know we're executing the right people?

Apr. 19 2013 12:01 PM
David from Fredericksburg, VA

2 things:

HERE is a reason for an armed citizenry.

The last thing I'd do is hang around because big brother said so. It reminds me of when there's a chemical leak & they say to stay in your house - hell no, I'm out of there.

Apr. 19 2013 11:59 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

The Chechens never cared much for imperial Russia, that's why Lenin and the Bolsheviks used them as guards during the revolution. Their [lack of] loyalty to the Zsar could be counted on.

Apr. 19 2013 11:16 AM
Yazmin from London, UK expat from CT

Brian, I am disturbed by this whole scale speculation about why these young men might have done this, and the rush to speculate that the reason the suspects did this was tied to Islamist ideas & movements! I am disappointed. Deeply disappointed. I thought I could turn to this show for non-speculative fact that was confirmed before you have on a guest who is MAKING COMPLETE GUESSES! HE IS MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES ALONG! HE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE IS SAYING IS FACT!!!

Apr. 19 2013 11:15 AM

"Brian was throwing around irresponsible projections (fantasies)"...Ironic.

"You wouldn’t dream of mentioning a MUSLIM HOLIDAY or a connection to a MUSLIM ATTACK, would you?"...Moronic.

Apr. 19 2013 10:54 AM
The Truth from Becky

Always ridiculous.

Apr. 19 2013 10:43 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

… and, finally, comments from our resident VILLAGE IDIOT on Tuesday’s show-

dboy -

“My money is on a psychotic, self-described defender-of-the-the-Constitution gun crazy who was defending his 2nd Amendment rights on Patriot's Day.”

dboy –

“Black powder = 2nd Amendment gun psychotic”

Apr. 19 2013 10:42 AM
amalgam from NYC by day, NJ by night

@ Chuzz -

You can believe whatever you want, question whatever you want, say (pretty much) whatever you want,

but you have earned nothing.

Apr. 19 2013 10:40 AM
amalgam from NYC by day, NJ by night

I also want to inject more complexity into the discussion, by saying that ideology often does NOT matter to many of these violent people, as Adam Lankford found in his work.

_What Drives Suicidal Mass Killers_

"For years, the conventional wisdom has been that suicide terrorists are rational political actors, while suicidal rampage shooters are mentally disturbed loners. But the two groups have far more in common than has been recognized.

...Although suicide terrorists may share the same beliefs as the organizations whose propaganda they spout, they are primarily motivated by the desire to kill and be killed — just like most rampage shooters.

In fact, we should think of many rampage shooters as nonideological suicide terrorists. In some cases, they claim to be fighting for a cause — neo-Nazism, eugenics, masculine supremacy or an antigovernment revolution — but, as with suicide terrorists, their actions usually stem from something much deeper and more personal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/opinion/what-drives-suicidal-mass-killers.html?_r=0

Apr. 19 2013 10:37 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

@Amalgam

Thank you, my indignation is well earned.

Brian was throwing around irresponsible projections (fantasies) and not a single one of the "progressive" boobs here questioned it.
Finally, 12 hours later someone from California commented on it.

Apr. 19 2013 10:37 AM
Annron from NYC

why does she keep repeating "jihadi movement"?? I am completely dismayed by that. As far as I know, there is no evidence or information about why the suspects committed these acts. It seems - predictably - that this event is being blamed on Muslims...even though the suspects are not Muslim! Why are they talking as though the suspects were inspired by the Jihadi movement, and also as though the suspects are Chechen! As far as I know they are from a region just outside Chechnya. This is suggestive, but there are a lot of assumptions being made here. I am completely infuriated right now at the Brian Lehrer show and at the woman reporter in particular. The fact is that mass violence in this country is typically perpetrated by young white men who are NOT Muslim, but you would never know it listening to today's show.

Apr. 19 2013 10:35 AM
fuva from harlemworld

I'd like Brian to define terrorism and what makes someone a terrorist.

Apr. 19 2013 10:32 AM
Tony from Canarsie

Looking at some of the comments here, it's obvious some folks really miss Bob Grant.

Apr. 19 2013 10:31 AM
Bob from Westchester

Media confusion abounds, for example:
All the cable networks have been showing live shots captioned "Watertown MA", but the street sign says Norfolk Street -- which is in Cambridge (presumably where the first shooting took place).
Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School is highly regarded, but it is NOT a specialized school like Stuyvesant and Bronx Science -- it is the ONLY public high school in Cambridge (since Cambridge Latin and Rindge Tech were merged in the 1970s.

Apr. 19 2013 10:30 AM
amalgam from NYC by day, NJ by night

@ Chuzz -

Love your self-righteous indignation. No matter what, it looks like the situation is much more complicated and complex, which is almost always the case in the real world. And as we know, complexity is something you assiduously avoid.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/04/19/tamerlan_tsarnaev_dead_bombing_suspect_i_don_t_have_a_single_american_friend.html

Apr. 19 2013 10:26 AM
Roy from Queens

@Martin: How old are you? Six? You don't agree with Mr. Lehrer's views. Fine. Don't listen. I don't care for the right-wing radio stations in the NYC area because I don't agree with them. That's being mature.

Apr. 19 2013 10:23 AM
Sheldon from Brooklyn

Leave them be Roy, that rant is more of a sign of relief, let them froth at the mouth - just like their joke of a bible aka, the NY Post.

Apr. 19 2013 10:21 AM
Tony from Canarsie

Did one of your guests really just say, "I would not be surprised if there was a third suspect and I would not be surprised if there was"?

If so, that sound you hear is H.L. Mencken knocking his head against his coffin lid.

Apr. 19 2013 10:20 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

Jessica Stern was actually fairly accurate on the Tuesday show .... she even mentioned (in spite of Brian) the possible current PRESUMED (only) scenario.

Apr. 19 2013 10:20 AM
Celia from NY

Please, there are some facts that have been established. The older brother is not 21, as Brian Lehrer opened with, but 26. Earlier, John Hockenberry identified the younger brother as the one who had been killed, even though the doctor who took care of the wounded one who later died was interviewed and stated that the patient was 26. Sloppy, especially since some things are getting established as facts.

Apr. 19 2013 10:19 AM
john from office

A year from now the New York Times and Brian will do a segment on the human rights violations of the Boston police toward these individuals.

Apr. 19 2013 10:18 AM
Barbara Hoffmann from PA

Cambridge Ringe Latin is comparable to Styveson, No need to be snarky, it doesn't become you.

Apr. 19 2013 10:17 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

@ROY from Queens-

LOL, I get it.

If you want to hold the host, Brian, accountable for (and revisit) his pathetic and unprofessional conjectures upon (ooohhh!) evil right wingers and invoking HITLER (!), then you should just go away.
Typical.

Apr. 19 2013 10:16 AM
Roy from Queens

@John From Office & Martin From Manhattan: Go listen to the commercial talk radio stations that support your non-thinking rhetoric. Otherwise, grow up. We don't have all the facts yet. Think before slinging horse manure in the breeze.

Apr. 19 2013 10:08 AM
Martin Chuzzlewit from Manhattan

DISAPPOINTED, BRIAN ?

Not the right wing white guys/anti-tax tea partiers/Timothy McVeigh types that you openly mused about ON AIR (!) Tuesday morning? TWICE with 2 different guests?

(QUOTES- “A history of right wing attacks this week. The 15th is tax day, the 20th is Hitler’s birthday and the 19th is the anniversaries of the Oklahoma City bombing and Waco incident. Also, it’s Patiot’s Day”)

HITLER”S BIRTHDAY !!!!????? Only you could dredge that up! (As a Jew, I ask you to avoid your lefty fantasies and don’t give anyone ideas just to make some domestic political point.)

And yet you challenged Ray Kelly (at 10:42 into segment) when you THOUGHT (wrongly) that he was making an al Queda (Muslim) connection !!!!!

You wouldn’t dream of mentioning a MUSLIM HOLIDAY or a connection to a MUSLIM ATTACK, would you?

Need an integrity transplant, Brian?

PROUD OF YOURSELF, BRIAN?

Apr. 19 2013 09:21 AM

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