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Thursday, September 25, 2008

Politifact's Bill Adair, the weekly guest for the month of September, brings his Truth-O-Meter to fact-check some recent campaign claims.

Guests:

Bill Adair

Comments [34]

Bob from Manhattan

To Pen;
I too was disappointed that Brian allowed Bill Adair to say that we have to understand the Alaskan context for a brutal and inhumane method of hunting without calling him on it. Brian's strong suit is certainly not environmental or wildlife issues.

Sep. 25 2008 05:48 PM
Pen from Brooklyn

Unlike his approach to other issues discussed on today's program, Bill Adair did not address the question of "truth" about Governor Palin's involvement in the aerial hunting of wolves in Alaska. Brian, why did you allow Mr. Adair to voice his own opinion (that aerial hunting of wolves is a good thing in order to preserve other species?) instead of requiring him to answer the question?

Sep. 25 2008 02:06 PM
eva

If anyone has not yet seen this weeks' Katie Couric interview of Sarah Palin, I urge you to watch it now.

It is the video of a campaign in its death throes.

Or should be. If they win with this, I'm stumped.

Palin looks entirely terrified and out of her element. The aw-shucks thing isn't going over well even with a TV news reporter. Couric looks more ready to be VP than Palin does.

Palin's hands are gesticulating all over the place. Her eyes have a look of terror. She consistently repeats memorized lines.

I actually felt sorry for her while watching this. Altho I will feel worse for the entire country if this ticket wins.

Sep. 25 2008 12:48 PM
Thomas J. Hickey from Paramus, NJ

Re the Rape Kit issue:

A little perspective: Wasilla AK is a small town with a population that ranged from 5200 to 5600 during Sarah Palin's years as mayor. According to the "Uniform Crime Reports and Index of Crime in Wasilla in the State of Alaska enforced by Wasilla Police", the incidence of rape vs aggravated assault vs "property" crimes (burglary, larceny theft, vehicle theft) was as follows during the Palin years (1996 to 1999 not reported):

Year Rapes Agg. Assault Prop. Crimes
1995 0 69 568
2000 1 84 631
2001 2 71 487
2002 2 79 574

It strikes me that a community which can afford to build a $15 million sports-hockey complex during this same time period could easily spare the victime (or their insurers) the $500-$2000 cost of a rape kit given the 1-2 cases a year that the Wasilla police reported.

More important to me is the total failure of the media to evaluate Ms. Palin's "experience" with respect to the actualities of her governmental obligations. Consider this: were Ms. Palin a man, would not his experience as mayor of this town (to call it a city denigrates cities) have been belittled and Sen. McCain pilloried for exposing American citizens to grievous harm by selecting someone of such a limited background to be a "heartbeat" away from the presidency.

Thomas J. Hickey
Paramus, NJ

Sep. 25 2008 11:58 AM
Chris Baratta from NYC

For anyone unsure about the connection between Palin and the radical pastor who accused a woman in his village of being a witch and running her out of town, please watch this video (and be horrified):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE

Sep. 25 2008 11:38 AM
Taher from Croton on Hudson

The wolf shoot is a program devised by the Alaska department of conservation. The idea is to reduce the wolf population in order to save the caribou. The concern is that Alaskan hunters will not have enough caribou and other wild life to hunt.
But according to an expert at the University Alaska on wild management, the wolfs simply take the old and the weak and do not harm the caribou population but rather support it’s health.
The killing of wolfs and other animals of prey using helicopters is not hunting but a slaughter. The science is simply ignored like much of Mis Palin’s world view.

Sep. 25 2008 11:11 AM
Bob from Manhattan

To say that this brutal and inhumane method of hunting needs to be seen in context of why the state and the governor pushed this is judgemental and nonsense. What the state says has nothing at all to do with the fact that this type of hunting is against federal law but that law has loopholes that the state of Alaska drove a Mack truck through. The state (governor) spent $ 400,000 dollars to "educate" Alaskans in a recent referendum about the need to kill wolves to make more moose for hunters to kill. Palin and her state wildlife agency ignored two previous referendums where Alaskans said No Aerial Hunting. 70,000 Alakans said no this time but were defeated this time by a fairly narrow margin.

Sep. 25 2008 11:03 AM
Paul Colin from NYC - tribeca

Good morning Brian:
It's absolutely crucial that we hear these two debate tomorrow night with the hope that theme for the debate
wiil be changed from foreign relations to the economy crisis.
Afterall it's one of these two that will really have deal with the repercussions of the final incarnation of the "bail-out" in the next term long after Bernenke and Paulson are just a memory.

Thanks
Paul, NYC

Sep. 25 2008 10:57 AM
LJo from Westchester

For Bill Adair:
The right has alledged that when an Illinois legislater Obama voted to deny life-saving treatment to aborted fetuses/babies. I'm sure there is an explaination--what is it?

Sep. 25 2008 10:56 AM
John O'Brien from NYC

I keep hearing that Obama vote in the Ill senate 'here' or 'present' over 150+ times instead of either for or against a bill. Was that unusal for a state senator during that same time and what were the bills that the Senator did not want to take a stand for?

Sep. 25 2008 10:55 AM
Diahann from New York

I just wanted Bill Adair to fact check something. My sister told me that she saw going across the screen on CNN lastnight that it was found out that Sarah Palin took part in declaring a Kenyan woman to be a witch and took her to church to have her "saved". Is this true? It sounds just insane. What was it that my sister saw and please tell me she was mistaken.

Sep. 25 2008 10:53 AM
KC from NYC

I can't figure this out. Why is a distinction made between billing a patient and billing a patient's insurance company. Why in the world would anyone make that distinction? It's the exact same thing.

Really. That is bizarre. Please explain the distinction.

Sep. 25 2008 10:53 AM
Gail Rothschild from Brooklyn

Re: Alaskan Wolf Hunting

Brian said that wolves cause "harm" to other species populations (presumably elk etc). My understanding is that wolf hunting takes place to boost populations of popular large game species for HUMAN hunting which is, of course, big business in Alaska. Back to painting...thanks as always for your wonderful work. gail

Sep. 25 2008 10:51 AM
eva

I believe the issue with aerial shooting of wolves is that the wolves are "unfairly" depleting the number of moose for gamehunters. They are not attacking livestock; they are not attacking people.

Sep. 25 2008 10:51 AM
eva

17] Zach from Upper West Side
September 25, 2008 - 10:48AM
The NY Times has reported (regarding the Aerial Wolf Hunting) that the citizens of Alaska twice voted to ban aerial hunting of wolves, and Palin, as governor, overturned those initiatives.

How come the listener knows what the guest does not?

Sep. 25 2008 10:50 AM
John Celardo from Fanwood, NJ

LBJ ran the daisy add just once, but it is probably the most famous or notorious add from the Johnson - Goldwater campaign.

Sep. 25 2008 10:50 AM
hjs from 11211

alaskan wolves only harm GOP species.

Sep. 25 2008 10:48 AM
Mercedes Batista from Manhattan

My mother tongue is Spanish. The add that you air in your show didn't mention Rush Limbaugh or stupid mexican. There isn't any untruthsiness in the add. I think is very effective.

Sep. 25 2008 10:48 AM
Zach from Upper West Side

The NY Times has reported (regarding the Aerial Wolf Hunting) that the citizens of Alaska twice voted to ban aerial hunting of wolves, and Palin, as governor, overturned those initiatives.

Sep. 25 2008 10:48 AM
Richard Williams from Larchmont, NY

Brian,
You mentioned about McCain being on vacation. There is a similar acusation on the state level regarding my state Senator, Suzi Oppenheimer. She was absent when a vote on a 4% tax was voted on.

Sep. 25 2008 10:47 AM
Chris Baratta from NYC

Giving Obama the "pants on fire" is unfair in this case- while the ad clearly put the exact words Limbaugh used out of context, I would say the fact check takes the true message of the Limbaugh show out of context- anyone who listens regularly knows that Limbaugh purposely couches racist statements like "stupid mexicans" in ambiguous monologues to avoid being blamed for the hate that his words incite. The segment where Limbaugh is "really" characterizing the Mexican government's laws still carries the same message, that Mexico's laws are barbaric and inferior to our own. The implications here are the same, that Mexicans are inferior (and he gets to say the phrase stupid Mexicans, which is all that matters to his listeners).

Sep. 25 2008 10:46 AM
KC from NYC

I'm with you, Pam. I pay for my health insurance. (It turns out, we have private health insurance in the US. You guys should look into that.) So a bill to my insurance IS a bill to me. Why this soft-pedaling on this issue?

Sep. 25 2008 10:42 AM
Luis from New York City

I speak spanish and in the add he does not mention any body other than bush and his friends. The ad just reminds the spanish community of how the majority of the candidates where against immigrants in some way.

Sep. 25 2008 10:41 AM
Micheal from Manhattan

If you try to get the victim's insurance company to pay for the evidence gathering test. YOU are asking the victim to pay. unless you have universal health care... more than half true I think. It would be interesting to know if they contacted the victim with regards to collecting from the insurance companies.

Sep. 25 2008 10:39 AM
Pam, MD from Qns.

[4] Alex from brooklyn September 25, 2008 - 10:35am IS CORRECT!!!

"If you charge insurance companies something you wouldn't charge individuals -- which is the best version of what the guest is reporting -- that's insurance fraud."

Sep. 25 2008 10:39 AM
Chuck from Brooklyn

Ot this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkCedV5iHvs&eurl=http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/mccain_spanish_ad_obama_chavez.html

Sep. 25 2008 10:38 AM
Jen from Brooklyn

Some have speculated that Palin's opposition to the state paying for rape kits is because rape kits contain emergency contraception, which she believes constitutes abortion. This seems plausible....

Sep. 25 2008 10:37 AM
Chuck from Brooklyn

What about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-Ktp77C03o

Sep. 25 2008 10:37 AM
Pam, MD from Qns.

A "bill to the insurance co." IS a bill to the patient,who passes it on to her INSURANCE CO., WHICH MAY OR MAY NOT PAY IT. The patient is billed directly for any portion of the fee that the insUrance co. won't pay.

Sep. 25 2008 10:37 AM
KC from NYC

Um... If it wasn't a law before she took power, then it was made a law when she was in power, I think that's a "yes".

Do you have to make speeches about laws you make to have officially made those laws? I guess my understanding of American law is shakier than yours.

"Shades of gray"?

Sep. 25 2008 10:36 AM
Alex from brooklyn


If you charge insurance companies something you wouldn't charge individuals -- which is the best version of what the guest is reporting -- that's insurance fraud.

It sounds like the official policy under Mayor Palin was systemic insurance fraud.

How does McCain feel about insurance fraud? How does he feel about Medicaid fraud?

Sep. 25 2008 10:35 AM
Chuck from Brooklyn

Insurance companies always go after the "patient".

Brian, "predated", Can you hide your support of McCain any better?

Sep. 25 2008 10:33 AM
Pam, MD from Qns.

A "bill to the insurance co." IS a bill to the patient,who passes it on to her insurance co..

Sep. 25 2008 10:33 AM
AWM from UWS

I'm not condoning this type of campaign ad but
the point of the spanish ad was to get McCain to denounce something Limbaugh said, exasperating an already tenuous relationship.

And, please, examine McCain's Franklin Raines-Obama ad.

Sep. 25 2008 10:30 AM

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