Next Stop: Wonderland

Tuesday, September 09, 2008

When author Alice Mattison couldn't find a good route to connect all her favorite places in New York, she created one in her mind. Wylie Norville, communications director for Transportation Alternatives, evaluates the likelihood of a dream line in the MTA's future.

What's Your Dream Subway Line? (Be sure to give it a name and a color.) Comment below!


Alice Mattison and Wylie Norville

Comments [57]

William from Connecticut

I believe that there has been a big swing to McCain due to a number of women that want to see a person of their gender in office, regardless of the policies that they bring with them...They are not looking at the policies, just the gender...Same as those Hileary voters that went to McCain just because Obama won the nomination

Sep. 10 2008 11:20 AM
George from Brooklyn

I concur with the TriboroRX plan. I propose calling it the K train since the letter K seems to be absent.

Sep. 09 2008 04:05 PM
wally from chicago

As a former New Yorker and now as a frequent visitor to New York, my dream subway line would extend public transit to and from LaGuardia Airport. The proposed route might parallel the M60 bus route from upper Manhattan/Bronx and connect MTA lines (1 AC BD 23 456) and Metro North to LaGuardia; and it would also follow and extend the Q33 bus route from LaGuardia, connecting to MTA lines (EF 7) and LIRR in Queens and MTA lines (JZ A) in Brooklyn.

In Chicago, the CTA has extended its subway/elevated lines to both its O’Hare and Midway airports. This encourages visitors to use public transit, and helps local resident travelers and employees to get to and from these locations.

Sep. 09 2008 12:31 PM
office worker from Brooklyn

The G train. Except it would run from South Brooklyn all the way into Queens (not just across the border then stop).

Also, it would have a full-compliment of cars, not just four, and it would run three times as frequently and yes, it would connect to more than like two other trains.

Sep. 09 2008 11:37 AM
Ben Gordon

A new Brooklyn line, connecting the Southeast and Canarsie areas of Brooklyn to Park Slope, up through Atlantic Ave and into one of the existing lines (N/Q, B/D, 2/3, any of them).

In detail, from Atlantic Ave station:
1. along Flatbush Ave and down 7th Ave
2. hook east onto 36th St to Cortelyou to Ave D.
3. Continue onto Ave D
4. Turn on Ditmas
5. Continue into New Lots L train
6. Terminate at Penn Ave 2

The 3rd through 6th steps will likely be adjusted based on population distribution, growth, econ dev projects etc.

I (heart) NYC.

Sep. 09 2008 11:26 AM
Waheed from Queens, New York

There should be a NS (short for north-south) Line connecting through Yonkers, Queens into Brooklyn. This would significantly reduce the traffic running through Manhattan.

Sep. 09 2008 11:17 AM
Lady from Queens

hmmm, ideal subway line should be running from under my apartment (with elevator doors opening into my kitchen) to my work place and my kids school. Oh and "ideally" I would be paying $2 fare for next ten years with complimentary snacks served on this line. Oh and one more thing, a dedicated sitting place for my babies with toys and chocolate chip cookies please. I would name it "Chocolate Express".

Sep. 09 2008 11:11 AM
Snoop from brooklyn

Oh yeah... and another idea that would not cost too much... FIX THE G TRAIN! Having it acutally connect to a few of the trains it passes near would be rather nice.

Sep. 09 2008 11:05 AM

A line that connects Astoria with Red Hook! It would pass through LIC, Greenpoint, Williamsburg, Navy Yard, Vinegar Hill, Dumbo, Brooklyn Heights, Cobble Hill, and ending in Red Hook.

Sep. 09 2008 11:04 AM
Albert from Greenwich, CT

Extend either type of 5 or the 6 into Coop City.

Sep. 09 2008 11:04 AM
Alexander from Harlem

I grew up near the unused freight lines that run parallel to the n line in Bayridge that run all the way to New Lots Brooklyn. It would be great to reactivate this as an express or limited stops service to help connect outer Brooklyn. Currently its used as a dumping ground. I also agree with several other commentators, we need a line that connects outer Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx with the airports. IF the mayor could get this done I would vote him in for a third term.

Sep. 09 2008 11:04 AM
Bill from Manhattan

At Riverside/125th, add a station to service Amtrak/Metro North trains, at the site of Columbia's vast new campus. From that location, run a new subway line across Manhattan on 125th St., connecting all subway lines, and Metro North harlem line. Cross Randalls Island, finally providing easy access to one of the city's greatest parks/sports facilities, continue east to La Guardia.

Sep. 09 2008 11:04 AM
Mark from Wahington Heights

Unite PATH and the NYC subway with transfer points to the Sixth Avenue line at 14th, 23rd and 33rd/34th Streets. The continued existence of two systems is irrational.

Sep. 09 2008 11:03 AM
N from Manhattan

My dream subway line is a crosstown line on Grand Street. Every day I have to take the roundabout way of walking 10 minutes from the far east side of Grand Street to the Delancey F train stop, take the F up to West 4th, and then down on the C or E train to the Spring Street stop. There are no buses near-by either that would make the trip more efficient. If only there were a train that went all the way across town on Grand Street!

The color of the line would be cobalt and the name is Deep Blue Dream!

Sep. 09 2008 11:02 AM
CS from Manhattan

Follow the underground immigrant vans and build subways! For example, there are vans up and down Flatbush in Brooklyn. My favorites are the ones connecting the 3 biggest Chinatowns (Manhattan, Sunset Park, and Flushing) every 5 minutes, from 6 am to 2 am. Shouldn't we have subway lines doing this? Sunset Park to Flushing would be especially helpful.

Sep. 09 2008 11:01 AM
SuzanneNYC from Upper West Side

What about light rail? It's prohibitively expensive to dig underground -- to say nothing of environmental and community concerns. Why not build something else to connect the various lines?

Sep. 09 2008 11:00 AM
Snoop from brooklyn

One thing that would not cost so much, I think, would be just SPEEDING UP the darn trains. The fact that they are so slow, creeping over the Manhattan bridge every day and god knows how many other slow spots would be fantastic.

Speeding up the buses would be great too. Why do we accept the fact that our buses travel so slowly??? Right now buses are not at all an alternative to the subway.

Sep. 09 2008 10:59 AM
chris_52 from nyc

We definitely need an 86th or 96th st crosstown subway BUT, coming bacg back to reality,. how about some CROSSTOWN LIMITED BUS routes, at least during the rush hour?

Also, you could ease some of the crush on the morning busses if you added a stop or two at stategic places so that school kids could get on either the local or limited lines. Again, this could just be between say, 7:00 and 8:oo in the morning -- would help a lot, plua get the kids to school on time.

An example? The Madison Avenue bus is really slow, and the stops go fron 86 to 96, even though a lot of schools are around 90-91st street. How about -- from just 7-8?

Sep. 09 2008 10:59 AM
Michael from Brooklyn

Short of new lines, just a few tunnels connecting nearby stations on currently isolated lines would be nice. For example, a connection between a from the F and G lines to the 4/5, and 2/3 lines would be nice.

Sep. 09 2008 10:58 AM
Chris from NYC


Why not introduce trams into Brooklyn/Queens before the next real-estate/traffic explosion?

Sep. 09 2008 10:58 AM
yourgo from astoria


Sep. 09 2008 10:58 AM
Aaron from Astoria

outer loop line that would connect laguardia and jfk, and link up with all the lines between.

Sep. 09 2008 10:58 AM
George from NYC - Washington Heights (W 187th)

-- connect far upper west side A (your and my neighborhood, washington heights) to upper east side,-- same way uptown A to north east bronx.

-- extend #7 train to NJ

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
Corinne from Brooklyn

As someone who has, since High School, walked to a bus, taken a bus to a train, and a train for 30+ minutes into Manhattan, I would love a train that extended into Bergen Beach/Mill Basin/ every other part of Eastern Brooklyn that no one has ever heard of.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
Alberto from Forest Hills and from Madrid from Forest Hills

Can we wish also a cleaner and more efficient subway system besides our dreamed route? Like the one I used to enjoy in Madrid.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
G. Benjamin Swope from Astoria

I'd love to see an uptown crosstown connecting the various lines crossing 125th St. then extending to Astoria conecting the N/W, then LaGuradia service and up into Northern and Eastern Queens.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
Eileen from Bronx

When my husband and I were younger and lived in Astoria with a bunch of friends, we used to all talk about the x train. It picked you up wherever you were and ran express directly to where you wanted to go, even the second floor apartment at 4 am. No waiting, always a seat, softer lighting.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
Guest from Brooklyn

Suggestion 1 -I'd like to see an extension of the Franklin Avenue Shuttle (S line) connecting the D,N,F,Q lines at Stillwell Avenue and running North by Northwest to make connections with the F,Q,G,J,Z,L along its way to the Roosevelt-Jackson Heights station in Queens where it would again connect with the F line, as well as the E,V,R,7 (and the G on nights and weekends).

They can keep the existing name for this line or the unused letter H. Since this would be another Brooklyn-Queens connecting line, the green of the G line would be a good color.

Suggestion 2 - A line running from the northwest and southeast through the Bronx, connecting with the 1,2,4,5,6,B and D lines and over to Queensborough Plaza, connecting with the N,W and 7.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
wayne from Staten Island

How about anywhere from Staten Island to anywhere else! Right now the so-called express bus takes me 1.5 hours from mid-island to 27 street door to door, costing 5 bucks!

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
laura from ditmas park

a B train that runs on weekends! it used to only run until NINE pm on weekdays, and they just extended it to 11 pm...add weekends, and it'll be perfect.

Sep. 09 2008 10:57 AM
BobbyT from brooklyn

how about subways that actually serviced the airports?

Sep. 09 2008 10:56 AM
Al from Park Slope

An F express train would require no additional track or stations and would relieve a lot of congestion.

Sep. 09 2008 10:56 AM
Christopher Deignan from Middle Village, Queens

A frequently running M train, an extension of the same all along Metropolitan Ave out to Forest Hill and an extension of the 7 to Bayside. Oh and another cross town train for upper Manhattan. That'll do for now :)

Sep. 09 2008 10:56 AM
eric e. from EV NYC

Cross town (east to west) subways please --on 14th street, 23rd street, 34th street, 42nd st. 57th st., 72nd st., 86th st., 125th st. in addition to the Shuttle in times square.

Also, bring back the elevated L train in 3rd avenue, and the trams.

Sep. 09 2008 10:55 AM
Karen from Clinton Hill

It would be great if the G train connected directlly to other lines. It passes right next to many lines going into Manhattan and still doesn't conntect. Conspiracy!

Sep. 09 2008 10:55 AM
Lamar from Woodhaven, Queens

I think the MTA made a huge mistake dismantling the Elevated system from 1940-1970s. One line that would have been very useful was the Myrtle Ave line that was torn torn in 1968. It ran from Metropolitan Ave (Middle Village) to Myrtle and Flatbush Av. Maybe if the left it up it could have been connected so it could run in to Manhattahan.

Running rush hour express service form Myrtle Av-Bway to Broadway Junction would be useful too

Sep. 09 2008 10:55 AM
Christopher Crowe from Bobst Library, NYU

I have a couple, all of which are actually do-able:

The "Triboro RX" ( starting in the Bronx, running down through Queens and into Brooklyn, Bay Ridge, connecting most of the subway lines in the three boros to each other.

Utilizing the underused train tracks in central Queens to run from around Forrest Hills to Hunters Point (and possibly to 42nd St. in Manhattan).

Reopening the Chrystie Street Connector so that the M, J, or Z can run UPTOWN along the 6th Ave line.

Sep. 09 2008 10:55 AM
Lisa from Jersey City from the 6th borough

I love the idea of a Brooklyn loop and would add that a PATH train that goes directly to Brooklyn would be a dream come true. Maybe it would connect to the new loop/ The new PATH to Brooklyn would need to have stops in downtown Brooklyn (Courthouse/Montague Street/STreet/Metro Tech) as well as Park Slope , Bay Ridge, and Coney Island.

Sep. 09 2008 10:55 AM
Robert from NYC

OIh come on we all know that the Second Avenue subway is the vehicle for politicians to skim money and place in their pockets and Swiss or Cayman Islands bank accounts. This is the third attempt to do it and just a month ago they started the "line" that it may be put on hold due to financial situation. It won't get built and your council reps inter alia who want not term limits will go home richer.

Sep. 09 2008 10:54 AM
Eileen from Bronx

When my husband and i were living in Astoria with a bunch of friends after college (great service really, two blocks from the Steinway Street R) our group had a wonderful fantasy train. It was called the X train. It stopped in a cloud of smoke where you were and ran express directly back to the apartment. No waiting, always a seat, softer lighting.

Sep. 09 2008 10:54 AM
Matt from Jersey City

How about a real regional transportation system. Extending service to Fort Lee, Weehawken, Jersey City, and beyond.

Sep. 09 2008 10:54 AM
Felix from Brooklyn

Hi, there's a train track that runs from Lots avenue, east new york to sunset park along 61 street in brooklyn, how come this train track is not being use for a subway line? Please ask your guest, thank you

Sep. 09 2008 10:54 AM
Aaron Kendall from Astoria

My dream subway line would start at 125th St. and the Hudson River, run east along 125th St., over or under the East River, link up with N/W line at Ditmars, and terminate at LaGuardia.

Sep. 09 2008 10:54 AM
Sean from NYC

125th street shuttle

a shuttle that goes from east bronx to west bronx. connecting the 6 to the 1

and down with the 2nd ave subway.

Sep. 09 2008 10:52 AM
Leo Queens from Queens

The practical subway lines should be:

A line going across either 125st or 86 st. in Manhattan across into Queens connecting the N/S Manhattan lines and the Astoria line and extending to La Guardia and ending with the #7 in Flushing.

The secound Line should use old train tracks in Woodhaven to connect the A train in SOuthern Queens going north all the way to La Guardia

Sep. 09 2008 10:52 AM
Lucas from Jackson Heights

The ideal subway line would have to include Laguardia airport. The line would start on 125th street on the west side run east on 125th street jump over to Queens where it would hook up to the Ditmars blvd stop, run to laguardia and then off to Jamaica and then down into brooklyn connecting up at Broadway junction.

Sep. 09 2008 10:51 AM
Sarah from Brooklyn

The Subway line of my dreams? The G train. Its a green line, it runs from Brooklyn to Queens....oh wait that line exsists. Or does it? Its call the "Ghost train" but I've been riding it for 4 years. It would be nice if the subway lines that already exsisted actually ran in a timely manner. People live off the G train and we shouldn't have to wait half an hour for it come at 9:00pm on a Sunday.

Sep. 09 2008 10:50 AM

was there not once a plan for an elevated train that arched out in brooklyn, the depression hit and the plan was abandoned. oh read that story in the new yorker, is it not true? i thought it was true. that is my wish too

Sep. 09 2008 10:50 AM
Dage Gillan from Park Slope

An F Express!!!

Sep. 09 2008 10:50 AM
Hugh from Brooklyn


Or the 8 train. A line that runs through Brooklyn up to Queens with a cross bar to Manhattan and an upper loop to the Bronx.

Sep. 09 2008 10:50 AM
Cory from earth

It'll never happen, but -- the Second Avenue Subway.

Sep. 09 2008 10:50 AM
Robert from NYC

How about a non-stop from Astor Place to Piazza San Lorenzo, Florence, IT? It's close to my favorite hotel. If not possible I'll settle on the FS Stazione SMN. It's close enough.

Sep. 09 2008 10:49 AM
ben from brooklyn

a line that would make many neighborhoods come to life would be a big, backwards C laid over west brooklyn, with connections to manhattan on either end.

it would start in the lower east side, run under the harbor into red hook brooklyn, up to dumbo, the navy yard area, williamsburg, greenpoint, then back into midtown manhattan.

Sep. 09 2008 10:49 AM
Michael from Manhattan

We need a cross town train on 86st or 96 st.
It is way to cumbersome to go down to 42st to get to the west side.
While we are at it... how about a foot bridge from Astoria to the upper east side.

Sep. 09 2008 10:49 AM
Laura from Brooklyn

2 Lines:

The holy grail 2nd Ave line; and a Columbia St or Van Brunt St line serving Red Hook - oh please oh please!!

Sep. 09 2008 10:49 AM
Nick from Manhattan

Easy! Existing lines that ACTUALLY RUN, don't slow to a crawl at a mere 10pm!

"Express" trains are a purely theoretical idea in today's NYC...

Sep. 09 2008 10:48 AM
O from Forest Hills

My dream subway line runs from downtown Manhattan starting at Wall Street and goes to Midtown Manhattan to 42nd Street and then runs Express, stopping at Queensboro Plaza and 61st Woodside and next Stop Forest Hills/Kew Gardens and the last stop is in Jamaica.

The name of the line is Briakat and the colors are burgundy with accents of green and the train will have a bouquet with roses, lilies, honeysuckle, orchids, lilies of the valley and baby's breath, the stems are tied with burgundy, green and white ribbons and this is the train where your dreams come true. You go to your dream job and savor the excitement and the pulse of life that is vibrating in Manhatttan.

Sep. 09 2008 10:36 AM

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